No Divorce Education
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"Bill in Co." <surly1curmudg…@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:Uo1Id.1448$YD5.704@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> DaKitty wrote: > > "Curious Mind" <mindcuri…@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > news:1106235629.882577.113570@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com… > >> Men and women when holding hand and say "love you till death" in front > >> of the judge have little awareness of statistic dictates their marriage > >> is likely fail. Yet, society hides this fact under the rug quite well. > > Huh? What rock would a person have to be living under to not know the > > divorce rate in the US???? > >> They let you sign the a paper to declare you are now lovely married w/o > >> let you that you are signing a legal contract with all legal > >> consequences and complications come with it, in case the marriage > >> fails. > >> Colleges prepare young boy and girl poorly in this regard, they teach > >> history, art, critical thinking, but never mention about divorce rate > >> in Western societies and its social effect and the burdens for divorced > >> people, and offer no marriage preparations. > >> Why no divorce education topic in college? I like to hear from college > >> curricula policy makers in this matter. > > Parents are supposed to teach kids family values. Not colleges or > schools. > Yup – Well, they USED to, you mean. Well, ok, that’s quite not fair. > Many still do, but a LOT don’t.
Yea, many still do… and many don’t.
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"Bill in Co." <surly1curmudg…@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:Qs1Id.1450$YD5.1333@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> DaKitty wrote: > > <ba…@psyber.com> wrote in message > > news:UhTHd.1113$rc4.974@fe07.usenetserver.com… > >> I think people should have to read and sign a disclaimer, advising them > >> of their rights and liabilities before getting married. We do the > >> same for financial agreements and marriage is the ultimate financial > >> agreement. > >> It’s unfortunate that our laws cause many of us to enter the contract > >> without knowing its conditions. > > It is a personal responsibility of an adult > The Whaaaattttt? > > to know about the consequences > > of any contract they’re entering. I think there’s either a legal > precedent, > > or some other sort of thing that defines that. > > Having your head in the sand and refusing to grow up and pay attention to > > things around you or acting irresponsible doesn’t preclude someone from > > being seen as legally competent to enter a contract. > Does today.
Maybe in some peoples heads. On the books, it still doesn’t. Although, there’s been legal precedents where its’ expected of a large corporation or government to protect people from their own stupidity…
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"Bill in Co." <surly1curmudg…@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:Op1Id.1449$YD5.424@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> DaKitty wrote: > > "Casey" <cclremovethisp…@cox.net> wrote in message > > news:dwQHd.61557$Wo.39558@lakeread08… > >> Curious Mind said > >>> Men and women when holding hand and say "love you till death" in front > >>> of the judge have little awareness of statistic dictates their marriage > >>> is likely fail. Yet, society hides this fact under the rug quite well. > >>> They let you sign the a paper to declare you are now lovely married w/o > >>> let you that you are signing a legal contract with all legal > >>> consequences and complications come with it, in case the marriage > >>> fails. > >>> Colleges prepare young boy and girl poorly in this regard, they teach > >>> history, art, critical thinking, but never mention about divorce rate > >>> in Western societies and its social effect and the burdens for divorced > >>> people, and offer no marriage preparations. > >>> Why no divorce education topic in college? I like to hear from college > >>> curricula policy makers in this matter. > >> For that matter, think how little marriage education the typical person > >> is exposed to before the wedding day. It would be great if young > >> couples were exposed to some realistic expectations before they were > >> granted a marriage license. > >> It’s a lot harder in the US to get a driver’s license than it is to > >> marry and have children. > > Why is it that people think that government and society should protect > them > > from themselves and make up for what their parents didn’t do (raise them > > with solid family values) > Because that is the way it is today, Kitty. (I can explain why, but I’d > better not).
I know why as well… It was a rhetorical question. Males me think of when I was 13 or 14, I too thought the world owed me something. I never stayed stuck in that mode though.
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DaKitty wrote: > <ba…@psyber.com> wrote in message > news:UhTHd.1113$rc4.974@fe07.usenetserver.com… >> I think people should have to read and sign a disclaimer, advising them >> of their rights and liabilities before getting married. We do the >> same for financial agreements and marriage is the ultimate financial >> agreement. >> It’s unfortunate that our laws cause many of us to enter the contract >> without knowing its conditions. > It is a personal responsibility of an adult
The Whaaaattttt? > to know about the consequences > of any contract they’re entering. I think there’s either a legal precedent, > or some other sort of thing that defines that. > Having your head in the sand and refusing to grow up and pay attention to > things around you or acting irresponsible doesn’t preclude someone from > being seen as legally competent to enter a contract.
Does today.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -DaKitty wrote: > "Casey" <cclremovethisp…@cox.net> wrote in message > news:dwQHd.61557$Wo.39558@lakeread08… >> Curious Mind said >>> Men and women when holding hand and say "love you till death" in front >>> of the judge have little awareness of statistic dictates their marriage >>> is likely fail. Yet, society hides this fact under the rug quite well. >>> They let you sign the a paper to declare you are now lovely married w/o >>> let you that you are signing a legal contract with all legal >>> consequences and complications come with it, in case the marriage >>> fails. >>> Colleges prepare young boy and girl poorly in this regard, they teach >>> history, art, critical thinking, but never mention about divorce rate >>> in Western societies and its social effect and the burdens for divorced >>> people, and offer no marriage preparations. >>> Why no divorce education topic in college? I like to hear from college >>> curricula policy makers in this matter. >> For that matter, think how little marriage education the typical person >> is exposed to before the wedding day. It would be great if young >> couples were exposed to some realistic expectations before they were >> granted a marriage license. >> It’s a lot harder in the US to get a driver’s license than it is to >> marry and have children. > Why is it that people think that government and society should protect them > from themselves and make up for what their parents didn’t do (raise them > with solid family values)
Because that is the way it is today, Kitty. (I can explain why, but I’d better not). – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Is the only way to get someone to do the right thing to forbid them doing > the wrong thing? Well, look at prohibitions of various sorts, for the most > part, they don’t work. > In catholic Church there is about 6 months waiting and marriage counseling > before they’ll marry you. I’d rather go to church for spiritual matters, > than your average government clerk… Wouldn’t you?
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -DaKitty wrote: > "Curious Mind" <mindcuri…@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1106235629.882577.113570@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com… >> Men and women when holding hand and say "love you till death" in front >> of the judge have little awareness of statistic dictates their marriage >> is likely fail. Yet, society hides this fact under the rug quite well. > Huh? What rock would a person have to be living under to not know the > divorce rate in the US???? >> They let you sign the a paper to declare you are now lovely married w/o >> let you that you are signing a legal contract with all legal >> consequences and complications come with it, in case the marriage >> fails. >> Colleges prepare young boy and girl poorly in this regard, they teach >> history, art, critical thinking, but never mention about divorce rate >> in Western societies and its social effect and the burdens for divorced >> people, and offer no marriage preparations. >> Why no divorce education topic in college? I like to hear from college >> curricula policy makers in this matter. > Parents are supposed to teach kids family values. Not colleges or
schools. Yup – Well, they USED to, you mean. Well, ok, that’s quite not fair. Many still do, but a LOT don’t.
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<ba…@psyber.com> wrote in message
news:UhTHd.1113$rc4.974@fe07.usenetserver.com… > I think people should have to read and sign a disclaimer, advising them > of their rights and liabilities before getting married. We do the > same for financial agreements and marriage is the ultimate financial > agreement. > It’s unfortunate that our laws cause many of us to enter the contract > without knowing its conditions.
It is a personal responsibility of an adult to know about the consequences of any contract they’re entering. I think there’s either a legal precedent, or some other sort of thing that defines that. Having your head in the sand and refusing to grow up and pay attention to things around you or acting irresponsible doesn’t preclude someone from being seen as legally competent to enter a contract.
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"Roger (B)" <rcblinn-s…@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:EEQHd.18197$SK6.15371@bignews3.bellsouth.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Curious Mind" <mindcuri…@yahoo.com> wrote… > | Why no divorce education topic in college? I like to hear > | from college curricula policy makers in this matter. > A better place would be shop class in HS. :-) > In Florida, before a clerk issues a marriage license, the > parties must certify that they have read a family law > pamphlet prepared by the Florida Bar which covers this > topic is some detail. But IMO, that doesn’t go far enuff. > Before a ML is issued, there should be a written test > (perhaps a performance test, as well), which examines > the parties both on their relationship skills and their > knowledge of the state’s divorce law. [R]
I’d never get married with divorce in mind, and would resent the state requiring me to study up on the divorce law.
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"Curious Mind" <mindcuri…@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1106235629.882577.113570@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com… > Men and women when holding hand and say "love you till death" in front > of the judge have little awareness of statistic dictates their marriage > is likely fail. Yet, society hides this fact under the rug quite well.
Huh? What rock would a person have to be living under to not know the divorce rate in the US???? > They let you sign the a paper to declare you are now lovely married w/o > let you that you are signing a legal contract with all legal > consequences and complications come with it, in case the marriage > fails. > Colleges prepare young boy and girl poorly in this regard, they teach > history, art, critical thinking, but never mention about divorce rate > in Western societies and its social effect and the burdens for divorced > people, and offer no marriage preparations. > Why no divorce education topic in college? I like to hear from college > curricula policy makers in this matter.
Parents are supposed to teach kids family values. Not colleges or schools.
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"Casey" <cclremovethisp…@cox.net> wrote in message
news:dwQHd.61557$Wo.39558@lakeread08… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Curious Mind said > > Men and women when holding hand and say "love you till death" in front > > of the judge have little awareness of statistic dictates their marriage > > is likely fail. Yet, society hides this fact under the rug quite well. > > They let you sign the a paper to declare you are now lovely married w/o > > let you that you are signing a legal contract with all legal > > consequences and complications come with it, in case the marriage > > fails. > > Colleges prepare young boy and girl poorly in this regard, they teach > > history, art, critical thinking, but never mention about divorce rate > > in Western societies and its social effect and the burdens for divorced > > people, and offer no marriage preparations. > > Why no divorce education topic in college? I like to hear from college > > curricula policy makers in this matter. > For that matter, think how little marriage education the typical person > is exposed to before the wedding day. It would be great if young > couples were exposed to some realistic expectations before they were > granted a marriage license. > It’s a lot harder in the US to get a driver’s license than it is to > marry and have children.
Why is it that people think that government and society should protect them from themselves and make up for what their parents didn’t do (raise them with solid family values) Is the only way to get someone to do the right thing to forbid them doing the wrong thing? Well, look at prohibitions of various sorts, for the most part, they don’t work. In catholic Church there is about 6 months waiting and marriage counseling before they’ll marry you. I’d rather go to church for spiritual matters, than your average government clerk… Wouldn’t you?
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"Joy" <j…@joydoesntlikespam.com> wrote:
| "Roger (B)" <rcblinn-s…@bellsouth.net> wrote… | > Before a ML is issued, there should be a written test | > (perhaps a performance test, as well), | Performance test? What did you have in mind? | (Gotta get my mind out of the gutter.) ————————– Why? Kind’a like a driving test to see how they handle the signs, stop & go, stay within the lines, back up and parallel park. ;-) But perhaps an essay would suffice. For the Groom: Assume that you like football and think that your prospective in-laws are a waste of time. Your wife enters the room wearing baggy clothes, no makeup, hair in curlers, and says, "Just so you’ll know, we’ll be having dinner at my mother’s every Sunday from now on, even during football." You respond… For the Bride: Assume that you’ve just spend a lot of money on clothes for your prospective husband and your mother has just had a serious operation. Your husband enters room wearing torn, grease-stained T-shirt, stretched out by his gut, and says, "I can’t go with you to see your mother in the hospital, ‘cuz me and my buddies are going mud-bogging this weekend. If she dies, I’ll have the cell." You respond… Note to Clerk: If they both say, ""F*ck that sh*t," "No way in hell," or the like, they are compatible. If only one says that and the other says, "Hon, let’s talk about this," then no license. [R]
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Joy said – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Roger (B)" <rcblinn-s…@bellsouth.net> wrote in message > news:EEQHd.18197$SK6.15371@bignews3.bellsouth.net… > > "Curious Mind" <mindcuri…@yahoo.com> wrote… > > | Why no divorce education topic in college? I like to hear > > | from college curricula policy makers in this matter. > > A better place would be shop class in HS. :-) > > In Florida, before a clerk issues a marriage license, the > > parties must certify that they have read a family law > > pamphlet prepared by the Florida Bar which covers this > > topic is some detail. But IMO, that doesn’t go far enuff. > > Before a ML is issued, there should be a written test > > (perhaps a performance test, as well), > Performance test? What did you have in mind? (Gotta get my mind out of the > gutter.)
I feel better now … I almost pounced on that one too. Casey
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"Roger (B)" <rcblinn-s…@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:EEQHd.18197$SK6.15371@bignews3.bellsouth.net… > "Curious Mind" <mindcuri…@yahoo.com> wrote… > | Why no divorce education topic in college? I like to hear > | from college curricula policy makers in this matter. > A better place would be shop class in HS. :-) > In Florida, before a clerk issues a marriage license, the > parties must certify that they have read a family law > pamphlet prepared by the Florida Bar which covers this > topic is some detail. But IMO, that doesn’t go far enuff. > Before a ML is issued, there should be a written test > (perhaps a performance test, as well),
Performance test? What did you have in mind? (Gotta get my mind out of the gutter.) which examines – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> the parties both on their relationship skills and their > knowledge of the state’s divorce law. [R]
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"Curious Mind" <mindcuri…@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1106235629.882577.113570@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com… > Yet, society hides this fact under the rug quite well. > They let you …
who are "they"?
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Perhaps, instead of a course on divorce….. (I dont think its up to the colleges to teach us about marriage, and Ive seen how colleges can complicate the shit out of the simplest of things) PERHAPS We teach our kids about promises, committment, the seriousness of vows before God, being Un-selfish, and, while we are at it, a work ethic, values, etc. I think that would cure the divorce rate, more then any course. Storm "Curious Mind" <mindcuri…@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1106235629.882577.113570@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Men and women when holding hand and say "love you till death" in front > of the judge have little awareness of statistic dictates their marriage > is likely fail. Yet, society hides this fact under the rug quite well. > They let you sign the a paper to declare you are now lovely married w/o > let you that you are signing a legal contract with all legal > consequences and complications come with it, in case the marriage > fails. > Colleges prepare young boy and girl poorly in this regard, they teach > history, art, critical thinking, but never mention about divorce rate > in Western societies and its social effect and the burdens for divorced > people, and offer no marriage preparations. > Why no divorce education topic in college? I like to hear from college > curricula policy makers in this matter.
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Because women don’t want men to know about it, as it would less female power to attract men into men, and lessen female ability to extract male wealth in divorce court. Women are children, and should not vote. ————————————————————————— —— On 20 Jan 2005 07:40:29 -0800, "Curious Mind" <mindcuri…@yahoo.com> wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Men and women when holding hand and say "love you till death" in front >of the judge have little awareness of statistic dictates their marriage >is likely fail. Yet, society hides this fact under the rug quite well. >They let you sign the a paper to declare you are now lovely married w/o >let you that you are signing a legal contract with all legal >consequences and complications come with it, in case the marriage >fails. >Colleges prepare young boy and girl poorly in this regard, they teach >history, art, critical thinking, but never mention about divorce rate >in Western societies and its social effect and the burdens for divorced >people, and offer no marriage preparations. >Why no divorce education topic in college? I like to hear from college >curricula policy makers in this matter.
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‘Colleges prepare young boy and girl poorly in this regard, they teach history, art, critical thinking, but never mention about divorce rate in Western societies and its social effect and the burdens for divorced people, and offer no marriage preparations. ‘ There needs to be mandatory classes regarding Marriage , raising children, et al…IN HIGH SCHOOL and in College. Further, our government needs to step in and demand (with severe penalties) that Hollywood stop idealizing marriage , as well as promoting adultery as a fun permissable adventure.
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‘Why no divorce education topic in college? I like to hear from college curricula policy makers in this matter.’ There should be asap. Further, everyone should be mandated to take formal classes before marriage is granted…including Premarital Counselling. Drastic statistics demand drastic changes.
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DN B wrote: > ‘Colleges prepare young boy and girl poorly in this regard, they teach > history, art, critical thinking, but never mention about divorce rate in > Western societies and its social effect and the burdens for divorced > people, and offer no marriage preparations. ‘ > There needs to be mandatory classes regarding Marriage , raising > children, et al…IN HIGH SCHOOL and in College. Further, our > government needs to step in and demand (with severe penalties) that > Hollywood stop idealizing marriage , as well as promoting adultery as a > fun permissable adventure.
Now, now, that can’t happen in this Enlightened Age! We’ve become more spoiled, and accustomed to sleeze. Can’t get enough of it! And then there is Jerry Springer. et al!
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"Casey" <cclremovethisp…@cox.net> wrote in message
news:dwQHd.61557$Wo.39558@lakeread08… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Curious Mind said > > Men and women when holding hand and say "love you till death" in front > > of the judge have little awareness of statistic dictates their marriage > > is likely fail. Yet, society hides this fact under the rug quite well. > > They let you sign the a paper to declare you are now lovely married w/o > > let you that you are signing a legal contract with all legal > > consequences and complications come with it, in case the marriage > > fails. > > Colleges prepare young boy and girl poorly in this regard, they teach > > history, art, critical thinking, but never mention about divorce rate > > in Western societies and its social effect and the burdens for divorced > > people, and offer no marriage preparations. > > Why no divorce education topic in college? I like to hear from college > > curricula policy makers in this matter. > For that matter, think how little marriage education the typical person > is exposed to before the wedding day. It would be great if young > couples were exposed to some realistic expectations before they were > granted a marriage license. > It’s a lot harder in the US to get a driver’s license than it is to > marry and have children.
I shudder to think who would develop that curriculum and administer that program. Perhaps I could get with that program if it were not done during this administration. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Casey
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Curious Mind said > Men and women when holding hand and say "love you till death" in front > of the judge have little awareness of statistic dictates their marriage > is likely fail. Yet, society hides this fact under the rug quite well. > They let you sign the a paper to declare you are now lovely married w/o > let you that you are signing a legal contract with all legal > consequences and complications come with it, in case the marriage > fails. > Colleges prepare young boy and girl poorly in this regard, they teach > history, art, critical thinking, but never mention about divorce rate > in Western societies and its social effect and the burdens for divorced > people, and offer no marriage preparations. > Why no divorce education topic in college? I like to hear from college > curricula policy makers in this matter.
For that matter, think how little marriage education the typical person is exposed to before the wedding day. It would be great if young couples were exposed to some realistic expectations before they were granted a marriage license. It’s a lot harder in the US to get a driver’s license than it is to marry and have children. Casey
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"Curious Mind" <mindcuri…@yahoo.com> wrote…
| Why no divorce education topic in college? I like to hear | from college curricula policy makers in this matter. A better place would be shop class in HS. :-) In Florida, before a clerk issues a marriage license, the parties must certify that they have read a family law pamphlet prepared by the Florida Bar which covers this topic is some detail. But IMO, that doesn’t go far enuff. Before a ML is issued, there should be a written test (perhaps a performance test, as well), which examines the parties both on their relationship skills and their knowledge of the state’s divorce law. [R]
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"Curious Mind" <mindcuri…@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1106235629.882577.113570@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com… > Men and women when holding hand and say "love you till death" in front > of the judge have little awareness of statistic dictates their marriage > is likely fail. Yet, society hides this fact under the rug quite well. > They let you sign the a paper to declare you are now lovely married w/o > let you that you are signing a legal contract with all legal > consequences and complications come with it, in case the marriage > fails.
"They" let you get a credit card too. Who is "they" and what are "they" responsible for? > Colleges prepare young boy and girl poorly in this regard, they teach > history, art, critical thinking, but never mention about divorce rate > in Western societies and its social effect and the burdens for divorced > people, and offer no marriage preparations. > Why no divorce education topic in college? I like to hear from college > curricula policy makers in this matter.
The basics are supposed to be covered in high school since by college people pick and choose their learning goals. That’s why they call it higher education. Lots of schools have civics and social studies classes. Do you know for sure it is *not* taught? Young people are known for their eternal optimism.
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Men and women when holding hand and say "love you till death" in front of the judge have little awareness of statistic dictates their marriage is likely fail. Yet, society hides this fact under the rug quite well. They let you sign the a paper to declare you are now lovely married w/o let you that you are signing a legal contract with all legal consequences and complications come with it, in case the marriage fails. Colleges prepare young boy and girl poorly in this regard, they teach history, art, critical thinking, but never mention about divorce rate in Western societies and its social effect and the burdens for divorced people, and offer no marriage preparations. Why no divorce education topic in college? I like to hear from college curricula policy makers in this matter.
