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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Carl Haffler wrote: > RAS <rst…@rocketmail.com> wrote in news:s5OdnQUtCNkcXyXfRVn-iA@rcn.net: >>Too much lost, nowhere to turn. No future, only a past of mistakes and >>screwups… wrong choices, wrong women, wrong life. Hating myself, my >>life, my cheating wife. Hating everything. Life is worthless. Death >>cannot come soon enough. > (Entering alt.romance mode) > If you have a problem with being cheated on it’s because you’re uptight and > repressed and immature. You just don’t appreciate that your ex-wife was a > deep, spirited, liberated individual and you have a lot of growing up to > do, loser. > (Exitiing alt.romance mode) > Hey, man, you’re still doing better than I am.
Yes, I am doing a hell of a lot better than you are. At least I have the intelligence to know that lying and screwing around isn’t right.
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RAS <rst…@rocketmail.com> wrote in news:bdmdnZmLUcjfYiXfRVn-pA@rcn.net: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Mad Mambo Master of Macedonia wrote: >> RAS <rst…@rocketmail.com> wrote in >> news:n_mdnZUdTa48aiXfRVn-1A@rcn.net: >>>John Effty wrote: >>>>"RAS" <rst…@rocketmail.com> wrote in message >>>>news:17ydnYFG5c1XSiXfRVn-iw@rcn.net… >>>>>Ear Disorder Person wrote: >>>>>>RAS wrote: >>>>>>>Too much lost, nowhere to turn. No future, only a past of mistakes >>>>>>>and screwups… wrong choices, wrong women, wrong life. Hating >>>>>>>myself, my life, my cheating wife. Hating everything. Life is >>>>>>>worthless. Death cannot come soon enough. >>>>>>Do you have a job? >>>>>Yep, 45-50 hours a week. What good is a job, when you’ve lost >>>>>everything that was worth working for? >>>>A lot of people in your position become workaholics. You could try >>>>that for a while. At least it passes the time before death. Then, >>>>if you do manage to save up some money you could go to Vegas and blow >>>>it all on craps and whores. >>>>Just a thought. >>>>-John >>>Lol! But, shucks, John, as a born again Christian, I guess the whores >>>would be out of the question. (See, us Christians can have a sense of >>>humor!). Aw, craps! >> Have you tried Ba’al? Sounds like your current god isn’t really getting >> the job done. > Get thee behind me, satan! No, I have no interest in a false god. I am > sure of God, I am just not sure of myself.
Based on the Book of Job, I really don’t see what the difference is between God & Satan. — "…disassemble — that means not tell the truth. And so it was an absurd report. It just is." {[Reporter] You’re worried, sir, that you’re losing some of your push?} " I don’t worry about anything here in Washington, D.C" –Curious George, 5/31/05.
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"Ear Disorder Person" <nevilemo…@yahoo.com> wrote in message … > RAS wrote: >> Too much lost, nowhere to turn. No future, only a past of mistakes and >> screwups… wrong choices, wrong women, wrong life. Hating myself, my >> life, my cheating wife. Hating everything. Life is worthless. Death >> cannot come soon enough. > Do you have a job?
After the posts about impending doom at the workplace and about receiving letters of portent, a guy sure can read a lot into a question like this… disraeli
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -RAS (rst…@rocketmail.com) writes: > Carl Haffler wrote: >> RAS <rst…@rocketmail.com> wrote in news:s5OdnQUtCNkcXyXfRVn-iA@rcn.net: >>>Too much lost, nowhere to turn. No future, only a past of mistakes and >>>screwups… wrong choices, wrong women, wrong life. Hating myself, my >>>life, my cheating wife. Hating everything. Life is worthless. Death >>>cannot come soon enough. >> (Entering alt.romance mode) >> If you have a problem with being cheated on it’s because you’re uptight and >> repressed and immature. You just don’t appreciate that your ex-wife was a >> deep, spirited, liberated individual and you have a lot of growing up to >> do, loser. >> (Exitiing alt.romance mode) >> Hey, man, you’re still doing better than I am. > Yes, I am doing a hell of a lot better than you are. At least I have the > intelligence to know that lying and screwing around isn’t right.
I think the person was just, tongue in cheek, mocking the too fast judgements given on some ngs…;-) —
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Mad Mambo Master of Macedonia (n…@newb.com) writes: > RAS <rst…@rocketmail.com> wrote in news:4vqdnWHRBdY8yCTfRVn-1A@rcn.net: >> Left me for the >> barroom to bedroom life 19 months ago. >> I believe the full moon was last night. > In the long run you’ll be better off (cold comfort). > FWIW, from a certain perspective, *every* decision is the wrong one. > There’s no right or wrong, only better or worse, since we only have one > outcome (our own lives) we really can *never* know whether we made a better > or worse one.
Very well said. But it does not make it so we never have momets of feeling lost and confused, unfocussed. Take me for instance;-):):) 19 months, RAS? Maybe then this sort of confusion or restlessness about "wat now?" is a good thing. Perhaps you now are really getting over the pain of the loss of what you worked for so hard, and now are gradually enterign the enxt stage: what now, i.e. slowly learnign what is out there and how you feel about this and that that life still has to offer. I think the three eyars transition ifs a fair average. Course does not mean it stays as yuk during the entire thre years then poof, gets all better the day after the 36 months of adaptation are over. But I;d say there is a good year or two in the heay breakups/seperations/diovorce that are usually the toughest, and then gradually get better month after month. Hang in there. Me thinks that without your realizing it, the wrse is now behind you. Soemtiems the unknown feels as bad or scary…. Until we rememebr it is unknown, i.e. we do not KNOW if it will be as bad or as scary, and anythign feels worse tha staying on the same stagnant spot for the rest of our live, after all:) Give Time the time to take its time….. Me thinks you are doing okay, all considered. (Add necessary qualifications here…that time I played with > the doomsday device I found in the attic was almost certainly wrong, that’s > a given. But generally…)
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"Mad Mambo Master of Macedonia" <n…@newb.com> wrote in message news:Xns967D530315930newbnewbcom@68.6.19.6… > RAS <rst…@rocketmail.com> wrote in news:bdmdnZmLUcjfYiXfRVn-pA@rcn.net: > Based on the Book of Job, I really don’t see what the difference is > between God & Satan.
Satan is the one with the hideous laughter. God is the one with the shiny paint. God peed on Job because it was good for Job. Job needed some peein’ on to give him character. Satan probably wouldn’t pee on anyone unless there was something in it for Satan, see? God’s pee and Satan’s pee may taste exactly the same when they are trickling down yer face, but only one puts hair on your chest. -John
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Eleonore Beaudoin wrote: > RAS (rst…@rocketmail.com) writes: >>Carl Haffler wrote: >>>RAS <rst…@rocketmail.com> wrote in news:s5OdnQUtCNkcXyXfRVn-iA@rcn.net: >>>>Too much lost, nowhere to turn. No future, only a past of mistakes and >>>>screwups… wrong choices, wrong women, wrong life. Hating myself, my >>>>life, my cheating wife. Hating everything. Life is worthless. Death >>>>cannot come soon enough. >>>(Entering alt.romance mode) >>>If you have a problem with being cheated on it’s because you’re uptight and >>>repressed and immature. You just don’t appreciate that your ex-wife was a >>>deep, spirited, liberated individual and you have a lot of growing up to >>>do, loser. >>>(Exitiing alt.romance mode) >>>Hey, man, you’re still doing better than I am. >>Yes, I am doing a hell of a lot better than you are. At least I have the >>intelligence to know that lying and screwing around isn’t right. > I think the person was just, tongue in cheek, mocking the too fast > judgements given on some ngs…;-) > —
Perhaps you’re right. I just don’t take it lightly; it isn’t a pleasant thing, being lied to, and cheated on.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Eleonore Beaudoin wrote: > RAS (rst…@rocketmail.com) writes: >>Carl Haffler wrote: >>>RAS <rst…@rocketmail.com> wrote in news:s5OdnQUtCNkcXyXfRVn-iA@rcn.net: >>>>Too much lost, nowhere to turn. No future, only a past of mistakes and >>>>screwups… wrong choices, wrong women, wrong life. Hating myself, my >>>>life, my cheating wife. Hating everything. Life is worthless. Death >>>>cannot come soon enough. >>>(Entering alt.romance mode) >>>If you have a problem with being cheated on it’s because you’re uptight and >>>repressed and immature. You just don’t appreciate that your ex-wife was a >>>deep, spirited, liberated individual and you have a lot of growing up to >>>do, loser. >>>(Exitiing alt.romance mode) >>>Hey, man, you’re still doing better than I am. >>Yes, I am doing a hell of a lot better than you are. At least I have the >>intelligence to know that lying and screwing around isn’t right. > I think the person was just, tongue in cheek, mocking the too fast > judgements given on some ngs…;-) > —
Perhaps you’re right. I just don’t take cheating and lying lightly; it hurts too much, when you’re on the short end of the deal.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Eleonore Beaudoin wrote: > A guy edescribing himself as a christian, once was moving. > He asked for help in a moving support ng. Only one person answered the > call, and offered to go help him move. > The morning of the move, the stranger, who had not claimed to be a > christian, arrived at the man’s house as he said he would, to help him move. > The self-claimed christian opened the door, and the other, eager to help, > and to maybe meet a new friend, fast walked in; so doing, he tripped and > went landing head first in a sumptuous collection of gold plated bible verses, > each carefully placed by its verse number. > Our helper, trying to catch his balance, inadvertantly grabbed the corner > of the verses display, which gave way under his weight, as he landed head > first in a wall where a 3X8 foot crucifx hanged religuously. > The helper’s head made a bloody dent in the wall next to the crucifix, and > the latter, shaken by the impact on the wall, fell on him. > Neighbors, hearing the comotion, ran to see what was happening. > Standing in the doorway, they peaked inside, to see someone shouting, > obviously outraged, and throwing gold plated numbers at a bleeding man on > the floor that looked like he had just been crucified: > "Is this what you call help?? Huh??? Huh???" > The man threw the numbers so hard that two of them went rolling out the > opened door at the neighbor’s feet: > Numbers 70 and 7. Soon after, a crucifix flew between the two numbers, > landing in the middle of them both, at the feet of the puzzled neighbors. > -Hey….Look! It reads: "Seventy", "times", "seven"! Anyone here good > with numbers that would know what that ever could amount to?? > 
Chloe, I am aware of the message of forgiveness that Christ teaches in Matthew 18. I don’t believe that it applies, exactly, to the situation of this thread. You are quick to point out where you believe I am wrong, but, you ignore the verses I posted, about His teaching concerning lying and adultery, and His admonition that Christians are not to think "in the ways of men". If I see, or hear, someone do, or say something that is contrary to God’s word, I am going to speak up. In order for forgiveness to be given, if we are to follow God’s example, it must be asked for. Christ does teach that we love our enemies. I wouldn’t call Carl an ‘enemy’, per se, he’s just not playing for the same team that I am. I pray that he sees the error of his ways, turns to Christ, and forsakes his worldly ways. If he were to ask my forgiveness for his poor ‘joke’, I would have no problem with it. I am a very forgiving person; always have been, even before I was saved. In Christ, RAS
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A guy edescribing himself as a christian, once was moving. He asked for help in a moving support ng. Only one person answered the call, and offered to go help him move. The morning of the move, the stranger, who had not claimed to be a christian, arrived at the man’s house as he said he would, to help him move. The self-claimed christian opened the door, and the other, eager to help, and to maybe meet a new friend, fast walked in; so doing, he tripped and went landing head first in a sumptuous collection of gold plated bible verses, each carefully placed by its verse number. Our helper, trying to catch his balance, inadvertantly grabbed the corner of the verses display, which gave way under his weight, as he landed head first in a wall where a 3X8 foot crucifx hanged religuously. The helper’s head made a bloody dent in the wall next to the crucifix, and the latter, shaken by the impact on the wall, fell on him. Neighbors, hearing the comotion, ran to see what was happening. Standing in the doorway, they peaked inside, to see someone shouting, obviously outraged, and throwing gold plated numbers at a bleeding man on the floor that looked like he had just been crucified: "Is this what you call help?? Huh??? Huh???" The man threw the numbers so hard that two of them went rolling out the opened door at the neighbor’s feet: Numbers 70 and 7. Soon after, a crucifix flew between the two numbers, landing in the middle of them both, at the feet of the puzzled neighbors. -Hey….Look! It reads: "Seventy", "times", "seven"! Anyone here good with numbers that would know what that ever could amount to?? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -RAS (rst…@rocketmail.com) writes: > Eleonore Beaudoin wrote: >> RAS (rst…@rocketmail.com) writes: >>>Eleonore Beaudoin wrote: >>>>RAS (rst…@rocketmail.com) writes: >>>>>Eleonore Beaudoin wrote: >>>>>>RAS (rst…@rocketmail.com) writes: >>>>>>>Carl Haffler wrote: >>>>>>>>RAS <rst…@rocketmail.com> wrote in news:s5OdnQUtCNkcXyXfRVn-iA@rcn.net: >>>>>>>>>Too much lost, nowhere to turn. No future, only a past of mistakes and >>>>>>>>>screwups… wrong choices, wrong women, wrong life. Hating myself, my >>>>>>>>>life, my cheating wife. Hating everything. Life is worthless. Death >>>>>>>>>cannot come soon enough. >>>>>>>>(Entering alt.romance mode) >>>>>>>>If you have a problem with being cheated on it’s because you’re uptight and >>>>>>>>repressed and immature. You just don’t appreciate that your ex-wife was a >>>>>>>>deep, spirited, liberated individual and you have a lot of growing up to >>>>>>>>do, loser. >>>>>>>>(Exitiing alt.romance mode) >>>>>>>>Hey, man, you’re still doing better than I am. >>>>>>>Yes, I am doing a hell of a lot better than you are. At least I have the >>>>>>>intelligence to know that lying and screwing around isn’t right. >>>>>>I think the person was just, tongue in cheek, mocking the too fast >>>>>>judgements given on some ngs…;-) >>>>>>– >>>>>Perhaps you’re right. I just don’t take cheating and lying lightly; it >>>>>hurts too much, when you’re on the short end of the deal. >>>>But still, if someone tries to make you smile, reading that you are having >>>>heavy stuff… >>>>Is love not the first commandment?;-) >>>>If someone tries to make you laugh out of caring, then is not the caring >>>>more important than fear of lies that are not there…?;-) >>>>Relax a bit….It’s not amoral to relax and let the neighbor make us smile >>>>and show caring in the way they can offer…Right…?;-) >>>>– >>>C, >>>I’m sorry, but some things are just not funny. Actually, the first >>>commandment is this: "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy >>>heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind". The second >>>commandment is "Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself". >> Allow me to add the bit you left out here, and to paraphrase (my free >> translation, by memory): >> "And the second one is as important as the first. This is is how you can tell >> someone loves God: by how he loves his neighbor. For who loves his >> neighbor loves God". >> Therefore if someone tells me he loves God and is a christian, I take the >> teachings words on it: if he does not act with love towards his neighbor, >> then he does not really love God and only talks with his tongue and thinks >> he loves God for that much. >> No disciple is greater than the master, therefore the master’s words are >> the "prime directive", and not just interpretation of the part that fits >> us when we feel like being loving to thissa one and not thatta one. >> Note that it also does not say "You will love your neighbor if he cheeers >> you up in the way that pleases you, on the tone that pleases you and with >> the emoticons at the right place too for your liking and enjoyment." >> Rather than present the neighbor as being at our enjoyment’s servivce, it >> is said that the greater will be the smallest one, the ne that would wash >> his neighbor;s feet, i.e. not mind if carign might look submissive, and >> not seek power over his brother. >> Moreover, he says "love your ennemies". Where would one not feel inclined >> to love thissa one or thatta one, according to their self-interest and to >> what pleases them or not, they could not justify ""not being loving to >> their neighbor"" by ""their not loving them"". Would be a nonsense, would it >> not? Yet it resembles what you are doing now: ""I’m sorry if I don’t act >> lovingly towards him, C, but I don’t act lovingly towards him cause I don’t >> like him cause I read him seeking ill even if he himself tells me there >> was no ill will at all in his words. You see, God is not the truth: I am! >> And I see lies everywhere cause I am the truth"…??? >> You have the word "lie" in your mouth, when it does not even apply, and >> give false testimony yourself about that person, sayign he lied in his >> reply to you, where "lie" does not even apply. >> Remember the beam and the straw parable…? >> If you love God, then love your neighbor. And if you don’t love your >> neighbor, then you’d be misleading your own self thinking you’d love God. >> And so doing, you could push away a neighbor that otherwise coudl finally >> have ran nto a christian that woudl not be so self righteous and so >> spiteful as to not wanna make them even wanna think about what that could >> ever change in their life. >> Since you affirmed yourself being a christian, I then feel like I can say >> those things. Among people who love each other as neighbors, my words >> would not be taken harshly, but would be looked at for the loving care in >> them…Right…?;-) >>>I do not believe that a joke made, at the expense of another’s feelings, >>>is trying to make them laugh, out of caring. Those who really care, >>>don’t make light of the pain. >> No joke was made at anyone’s expense. This affirmation is misleading >> whoever reads it, and in that is false testimony of what the person said >> and is. >> Someoen made a joke, and put it between quote signs, and specified the >> part between quotes was said on "ALT.ROMANCE.MODE". >> You did not read it as written or meant, and did not get the joke, which is >> far from meaning that this person would have been rude to you in any way. >> You in turn were agressive towards that person, not loving. And that >> person reacted in a same way, for havign been received so rudely by you, >> when all he did was say something to try and make you smile, assuming you >> were familiar with alt.romance, and that if you were not, the reference >> to alt.romance, the quote signs and the specifying this was written on >> the mode of alt.romance, all that was there to show no ill will towards you. >> In fact it was a sort of showing able to relate to you, and offering a >> buddy pat on the back, in saying between the lines how he also found not >> much support, indicating he tried/read >> alt.romance and got that kind of uncaring easy-advice he was mockign in >> humour, to make you smile. After the quote and joke, he even added a >> line that showed a good disposition towards you, and even that you rejected. >> I then kindly tried to make you see that the person seemed to not only wish >> you no wrong, but tried to cheer you up and give you a sort of e-buddy pat >> on the back. >> But you kept talking about him at the third person, and in non elogious terms. >> Affirming that he woudl be lying and making fun of your christianity and >> so on, which is false of you to say. >> Lots of poeple say they believe in God to next go to trash their neighbor, >> pretending they would be authorized and justified to do so by the >> teachings.*NOT*. >> In so doing, those push away from that way of life those that come in >> contact with them. >> Love your neighbor. Do not give false testimony. >> Precepts are very nice. But if no spirit is put behind them, then what on >> earth would the teachings have added to the Pharisees’s self-interested >> precepts and rules…? Just a bunch more??? Just nuances to the same >> old -or partly amended?- rules? >> Love your neighbor…That is how poeple will know and believe you when you >> say you believe in God, and how it might have meaning to them, instead of >> making them fear to become a self-righteous, stiff neck, spiteful being. >> When we hur real bad for real longt, it is easy to see pain in even nice >> words… >> But if we do not let others help when we no longer can remain loving under >> pain…We’d be doomed. >> Put a lil good will in your reading…Ok…?;-) >> ((((((((((((((((((RAS)))))))))))))))))))))) >> Chloe >> > RAS >> — > Chloe,
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Eleonore Beaudoin wrote: > RAS (rst…@rocketmail.com) writes: >>Eleonore Beaudoin wrote: >>>RAS (rst…@rocketmail.com) writes: >>>>Eleonore Beaudoin wrote: >>>>>RAS (rst…@rocketmail.com) writes: >>>>>>Carl Haffler wrote: >>>>>>>RAS <rst…@rocketmail.com> wrote in news:s5OdnQUtCNkcXyXfRVn-iA@rcn.net: >>>>>>>>Too much lost, nowhere to turn. No future, only a past of mistakes and >>>>>>>>screwups… wrong choices, wrong women, wrong life. Hating myself, my >>>>>>>>life, my cheating wife. Hating everything. Life is worthless. Death >>>>>>>>cannot come soon enough. >>>>>>>(Entering alt.romance mode) >>>>>>>If you have a problem with being cheated on it’s because you’re uptight and >>>>>>>repressed and immature. You just don’t appreciate that your ex-wife was a >>>>>>>deep, spirited, liberated individual and you have a lot of growing up to >>>>>>>do, loser. >>>>>>>(Exitiing alt.romance mode) >>>>>>>Hey, man, you’re still doing better than I am. >>>>>>Yes, I am doing a hell of a lot better than you are. At least I have the >>>>>>intelligence to know that lying and screwing around isn’t right. >>>>>I think the person was just, tongue in cheek, mocking the too fast >>>>>judgements given on some ngs…;-) >>>>>– >>>>Perhaps you’re right. I just don’t take cheating and lying lightly; it >>>>hurts too much, when you’re on the short end of the deal. >>>But still, if someone tries to make you smile, reading that you are having >>>heavy stuff… >>>Is love not the first commandment?;-) >>>If someone tries to make you laugh out of caring, then is not the caring >>>more important than fear of lies that are not there…?;-) >>>Relax a bit….It’s not amoral to relax and let the neighbor make us smile >>>and show caring in the way they can offer…Right…?;-) >>>– >>C, >>I’m sorry, but some things are just not funny. Actually, the first >>commandment is this: "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy >>heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind". The second >>commandment is "Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself". > Allow me to add the bit you left out here, and to paraphrase (my free > translation, by memory): > "And the second one is as important as the first. This is is how you can tell > someone loves God: by how he loves his neighbor. For who loves his > neighbor loves God". > Therefore if someone tells me he loves God and is a christian, I take the > teachings words on it: if he does not act with love towards his neighbor, > then he does not really love God and only talks with his tongue and thinks > he loves God for that much. > No disciple is greater than the master, therefore the master’s words are > the "prime directive", and not just interpretation of the part that fits > us when we feel like being loving to thissa one and not thatta one. > Note that it also does not say "You will love your neighbor if he cheeers > you up in the way that pleases you, on the tone that pleases you and with > the emoticons at the right place too for your liking and enjoyment." > Rather than present the neighbor as being at our enjoyment’s servivce, it > is said that the greater will be the smallest one, the ne that would wash > his neighbor;s feet, i.e. not mind if carign might look submissive, and > not seek power over his brother. > Moreover, he says "love your ennemies". Where would one not feel inclined > to love thissa one or thatta one, according to their self-interest and to > what pleases them or not, they could not justify ""not being loving to > their neighbor"" by ""their not loving them"". Would be a nonsense, would it > not? Yet it resembles what you are doing now: ""I’m sorry if I don’t act > lovingly towards him, C, but I don’t act lovingly towards him cause I don’t > like him cause I read him seeking ill even if he himself tells me there > was no ill will at all in his words. You see, God is not the truth: I am! > And I see lies everywhere cause I am the truth"…??? > You have the word "lie" in your mouth, when it does not even apply, and > give false testimony yourself about that person, sayign he lied in his > reply to you, where "lie" does not even apply. > Remember the beam and the straw parable…? > If you love God, then love your neighbor. And if you don’t love your > neighbor, then you’d be misleading your own self thinking you’d love God. > And so doing, you could push away a neighbor that otherwise coudl finally > have ran nto a christian that woudl not be so self righteous and so > spiteful as to not wanna make them even wanna think about what that could > ever change in their life. > Since you affirmed yourself being a christian, I then feel like I can say > those things. Among people who love each other as neighbors, my words > would not be taken harshly, but would be looked at for the loving care in > them…Right…?;-) >>I do not believe that a joke made, at the expense of another’s feelings, >>is trying to make them laugh, out of caring. Those who really care, >>don’t make light of the pain. > No joke was made at anyone’s expense. This affirmation is misleading > whoever reads it, and in that is false testimony of what the person said > and is. > Someoen made a joke, and put it between quote signs, and specified the > part between quotes was said on "ALT.ROMANCE.MODE". > You did not read it as written or meant, and did not get the joke, which is > far from meaning that this person would have been rude to you in any way. > You in turn were agressive towards that person, not loving. And that > person reacted in a same way, for havign been received so rudely by you, > when all he did was say something to try and make you smile, assuming you > were familiar with alt.romance, and that if you were not, the reference > to alt.romance, the quote signs and the specifying this was written on > the mode of alt.romance, all that was there to show no ill will towards you. > In fact it was a sort of showing able to relate to you, and offering a > buddy pat on the back, in saying between the lines how he also found not > much support, indicating he tried/read > alt.romance and got that kind of uncaring easy-advice he was mockign in > humour, to make you smile. After the quote and joke, he even added a > line that showed a good disposition towards you, and even that you rejected. > I then kindly tried to make you see that the person seemed to not only wish > you no wrong, but tried to cheer you up and give you a sort of e-buddy pat > on the back. > But you kept talking about him at the third person, and in non elogious terms. > Affirming that he woudl be lying and making fun of your christianity and > so on, which is false of you to say. > Lots of poeple say they believe in God to next go to trash their neighbor, > pretending they would be authorized and justified to do so by the > teachings.*NOT*. > In so doing, those push away from that way of life those that come in > contact with them. > Love your neighbor. Do not give false testimony. > Precepts are very nice. But if no spirit is put behind them, then what on > earth would the teachings have added to the Pharisees’s self-interested > precepts and rules…? Just a bunch more??? Just nuances to the same > old -or partly amended?- rules? > Love your neighbor…That is how poeple will know and believe you when you > say you believe in God, and how it might have meaning to them, instead of > making them fear to become a self-righteous, stiff neck, spiteful being. > When we hur real bad for real longt, it is easy to see pain in even nice > words… > But if we do not let others help when we no longer can remain loving under > pain…We’d be doomed. > Put a lil good will in your reading…Ok…?;-) > ((((((((((((((((((RAS)))))))))))))))))))))) > Chloe > > RAS > —
Chloe, First, thank you for the reminder; sometimes I get off track a bit. Perhaps I could have answered in a gentler tone, but, that was not my mood that night, or, the response needed, in my opinion. I believe you are reading things into what I said, that I did not mean. I never said that Carl was lying; I said that I had the "intelligence to know that lying and screwing around isn’t right". I was referring to the lying and cheating that my wife did, and continues to do, not accusing the poster. I stand by my statement: some things are just not funny. If you’ve been cheated on, and lied to, I challenge you to laugh at someone’s thoughtless ‘joke’, when that hurt is still fresh. Your knowledge of scripture is commendable, however, you overlook the words that Carl wrote: > If you have a problem with being cheated on it’s because you’re uptight and >>>>>>>>repressed and immature. You just don’t appreciate that your ex-wife was a >>>>>>>>deep, spirited, liberated individual and you have a lot of growing up to >>>>>>>>do, loser.
Now, please take note: not only does Carl condone and commend the wife’s adultery, he calls me a "loser" and "immature", because I feel it is wrong. Even if he is ‘mocking’ the kind of advice found in another newsgroup, the message is there. With your knowledge of the Bible, I am sure I don’t have to list the numerous times that Christ comdemns adultery, and lying. He also tells us, "by their fruits shall ye know them". If someone makes a ‘joke’, condoning adultery, I will consider their fruit to be quite evident. This is not a person I want ‘help’ from. Keep in mind, Chloe, this is alt.SUPPORT.loneliness, NOT alt.romance. I posted my message at a time when I was really feeling down; how is a ‘joke’ making light of the situation ‘helping’? I am well aware, that Usenet is a haven for trolls, who visit various … read more »
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -RAS (rst…@rocketmail.com) writes: > Eleonore Beaudoin wrote: >> RAS (rst…@rocketmail.com) writes: >>>Eleonore Beaudoin wrote: >>>>RAS (rst…@rocketmail.com) writes: >>>>>Carl Haffler wrote: >>>>>>RAS <rst…@rocketmail.com> wrote in news:s5OdnQUtCNkcXyXfRVn-iA@rcn.net: >>>>>>>Too much lost, nowhere to turn. No future, only a past of mistakes and >>>>>>>screwups… wrong choices, wrong women, wrong life. Hating myself, my >>>>>>>life, my cheating wife. Hating everything. Life is worthless. Death >>>>>>>cannot come soon enough. >>>>>>(Entering alt.romance mode) >>>>>>If you have a problem with being cheated on it’s because you’re uptight and >>>>>>repressed and immature. You just don’t appreciate that your ex-wife was a >>>>>>deep, spirited, liberated individual and you have a lot of growing up to >>>>>>do, loser. >>>>>>(Exitiing alt.romance mode) >>>>>>Hey, man, you’re still doing better than I am. >>>>>Yes, I am doing a hell of a lot better than you are. At least I have the >>>>>intelligence to know that lying and screwing around isn’t right. >>>>I think the person was just, tongue in cheek, mocking the too fast >>>>judgements given on some ngs…;-) >>>>– >>>Perhaps you’re right. I just don’t take cheating and lying lightly; it >>>hurts too much, when you’re on the short end of the deal. >> But still, if someone tries to make you smile, reading that you are having >> heavy stuff… >> Is love not the first commandment?;-) >> If someone tries to make you laugh out of caring, then is not the caring >> more important than fear of lies that are not there…?;-) >> Relax a bit….It’s not amoral to relax and let the neighbor make us smile >> and show caring in the way they can offer…Right…?;-) >> — > C, > I’m sorry, but some things are just not funny. Actually, the first > commandment is this: "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy > heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind". The second > commandment is "Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself".
Allow me to add the bit you left out here, and to paraphrase (my free translation, by memory): "And the second one is as important as the first. This is is how you can tell someone loves God: by how he loves his neighbor. For who loves his neighbor loves God". Therefore if someone tells me he loves God and is a christian, I take the teachings words on it: if he does not act with love towards his neighbor, then he does not really love God and only talks with his tongue and thinks he loves God for that much. No disciple is greater than the master, therefore the master’s words are the "prime directive", and not just interpretation of the part that fits us when we feel like being loving to thissa one and not thatta one. Note that it also does not say "You will love your neighbor if he cheeers you up in the way that pleases you, on the tone that pleases you and with the emoticons at the right place too for your liking and enjoyment." Rather than present the neighbor as being at our enjoyment’s servivce, it is said that the greater will be the smallest one, the ne that would wash his neighbor;s feet, i.e. not mind if carign might look submissive, and not seek power over his brother. Moreover, he says "love your ennemies". Where would one not feel inclined to love thissa one or thatta one, according to their self-interest and to what pleases them or not, they could not justify ""not being loving to their neighbor"" by ""their not loving them"". Would be a nonsense, would it not? Yet it resembles what you are doing now: ""I’m sorry if I don’t act lovingly towards him, C, but I don’t act lovingly towards him cause I don’t like him cause I read him seeking ill even if he himself tells me there was no ill will at all in his words. You see, God is not the truth: I am! And I see lies everywhere cause I am the truth"…??? You have the word "lie" in your mouth, when it does not even apply, and give false testimony yourself about that person, sayign he lied in his reply to you, where "lie" does not even apply. Remember the beam and the straw parable…? If you love God, then love your neighbor. And if you don’t love your neighbor, then you’d be misleading your own self thinking you’d love God. And so doing, you could push away a neighbor that otherwise coudl finally have ran nto a christian that woudl not be so self righteous and so spiteful as to not wanna make them even wanna think about what that could ever change in their life. Since you affirmed yourself being a christian, I then feel like I can say those things. Among people who love each other as neighbors, my words would not be taken harshly, but would be looked at for the loving care in them…Right…?;-) > I do not believe that a joke made, at the expense of another’s feelings, > is trying to make them laugh, out of caring. Those who really care, > don’t make light of the pain.
No joke was made at anyone’s expense. This affirmation is misleading whoever reads it, and in that is false testimony of what the person said and is. Someoen made a joke, and put it between quote signs, and specified the part between quotes was said on "ALT.ROMANCE.MODE". You did not read it as written or meant, and did not get the joke, which is far from meaning that this person would have been rude to you in any way. You in turn were agressive towards that person, not loving. And that person reacted in a same way, for havign been received so rudely by you, when all he did was say something to try and make you smile, assuming you were familiar with alt.romance, and that if you were not, the reference to alt.romance, the quote signs and the specifying this was written on the mode of alt.romance, all that was there to show no ill will towards you. In fact it was a sort of showing able to relate to you, and offering a buddy pat on the back, in saying between the lines how he also found not much support, indicating he tried/read alt.romance and got that kind of uncaring easy-advice he was mockign in humour, to make you smile. After the quote and joke, he even added a line that showed a good disposition towards you, and even that you rejected. I then kindly tried to make you see that the person seemed to not only wish you no wrong, but tried to cheer you up and give you a sort of e-buddy pat on the back. But you kept talking about him at the third person, and in non elogious terms. Affirming that he woudl be lying and making fun of your christianity and so on, which is false of you to say. Lots of poeple say they believe in God to next go to trash their neighbor, pretending they would be authorized and justified to do so by the teachings.*NOT*. In so doing, those push away from that way of life those that come in contact with them. Love your neighbor. Do not give false testimony. Precepts are very nice. But if no spirit is put behind them, then what on earth would the teachings have added to the Pharisees’s self-interested precepts and rules…? Just a bunch more??? Just nuances to the same old -or partly amended?- rules? Love your neighbor…That is how poeple will know and believe you when you say you believe in God, and how it might have meaning to them, instead of making them fear to become a self-righteous, stiff neck, spiteful being. When we hur real bad for real longt, it is easy to see pain in even nice words… But if we do not let others help when we no longer can remain loving under pain…We’d be doomed. Put a lil good will in your reading…Ok…?;-) ((((((((((((((((((RAS)))))))))))))))))))))) Chloe > RAS —
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Eleonore Beaudoin wrote: > RAS (rst…@rocketmail.com) writes: >>Eleonore Beaudoin wrote: >>>RAS (rst…@rocketmail.com) writes: >>>>Carl Haffler wrote: >>>>>RAS <rst…@rocketmail.com> wrote in news:s5OdnQUtCNkcXyXfRVn-iA@rcn.net: >>>>>>Too much lost, nowhere to turn. No future, only a past of mistakes and >>>>>>screwups… wrong choices, wrong women, wrong life. Hating myself, my >>>>>>life, my cheating wife. Hating everything. Life is worthless. Death >>>>>>cannot come soon enough. >>>>>(Entering alt.romance mode) >>>>>If you have a problem with being cheated on it’s because you’re uptight and >>>>>repressed and immature. You just don’t appreciate that your ex-wife was a >>>>>deep, spirited, liberated individual and you have a lot of growing up to >>>>>do, loser. >>>>>(Exitiing alt.romance mode) >>>>>Hey, man, you’re still doing better than I am. >>>>Yes, I am doing a hell of a lot better than you are. At least I have the >>>>intelligence to know that lying and screwing around isn’t right. >>>I think the person was just, tongue in cheek, mocking the too fast >>>judgements given on some ngs…;-) >>>– >>Perhaps you’re right. I just don’t take cheating and lying lightly; it >>hurts too much, when you’re on the short end of the deal. > But still, if someone tries to make you smile, reading that you are having > heavy stuff… > Is love not the first commandment?;-) > If someone teries to mae you laugh out of caring, then is not the caring > more important than fear of lies that are not there…?;-) > Relax a bit….It;s not amoral to relax and let the neighbr make us smile > and show caring in the way they can offer…Right…?;-) > —
C, I’m sorry, but some things are just not funny. Actually, the first commandment is this: "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind". The second commandment is "Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself". I do not believe that a joke made, at the expense of another’s feelings, is trying to make them laugh, out of caring. Those who really care, don’t make light of the pain. RAS
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -RAS (rst…@rocketmail.com) writes: > Eleonore Beaudoin wrote: >> RAS (rst…@rocketmail.com) writes: >>>Carl Haffler wrote: >>>>RAS <rst…@rocketmail.com> wrote in news:s5OdnQUtCNkcXyXfRVn-iA@rcn.net: >>>>>Too much lost, nowhere to turn. No future, only a past of mistakes and >>>>>screwups… wrong choices, wrong women, wrong life. Hating myself, my >>>>>life, my cheating wife. Hating everything. Life is worthless. Death >>>>>cannot come soon enough. >>>>(Entering alt.romance mode) >>>>If you have a problem with being cheated on it’s because you’re uptight and >>>>repressed and immature. You just don’t appreciate that your ex-wife was a >>>>deep, spirited, liberated individual and you have a lot of growing up to >>>>do, loser. >>>>(Exitiing alt.romance mode) >>>>Hey, man, you’re still doing better than I am. >>>Yes, I am doing a hell of a lot better than you are. At least I have the >>>intelligence to know that lying and screwing around isn’t right. >> I think the person was just, tongue in cheek, mocking the too fast >> judgements given on some ngs…;-) >> — > Perhaps you’re right. I just don’t take cheating and lying lightly; it > hurts too much, when you’re on the short end of the deal.
But still, if someone tries to make you smile, reading that you are having heavy stuff… Is love not the first commandment?;-) If someone teries to mae you laugh out of caring, then is not the caring more important than fear of lies that are not there…?;-) Relax a bit….It;s not amoral to relax and let the neighbr make us smile and show caring in the way they can offer…Right…?;-) —
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Carl Haffler wrote: > RAS <rst…@rocketmail.com> wrote in > news:mKqdnRuPF4KxxyTfRVn-pQ@rcn.net: >>Carl Haffler wrote: >>>RAS <rst…@rocketmail.com> wrote in >>>news:s5OdnQUtCNkcXyXfRVn-iA@rcn.net: >>>>Too much lost, nowhere to turn. No future, only a past of mistakes >>>>and screwups… wrong choices, wrong women, wrong life. Hating >>>>myself, my life, my cheating wife. Hating everything. Life is >>>>worthless. Death cannot come soon enough. >>>(Entering alt.romance mode) >>>If you have a problem with being cheated on it’s because you’re >>>uptight and repressed and immature. You just don’t appreciate that >>>your ex-wife was a deep, spirited, liberated individual and you have >>>a lot of growing up to do, loser. >>>(Exitiing alt.romance mode) >>>Hey, man, you’re still doing better than I am. >>Yes, I am doing a hell of a lot better than you are. At least I have >>the intelligence to know that lying and screwing around isn’t right. > Wow. Get over yourself, bitch. > Anyways, you obviously haven’t endured the pain of alt.romance. The > drivel I spewed is what passes for sage wisdom there.
You are right; I haven’t visited alt.romance (and, from what you’ve said, I won’t). Feel free to call me any names you like; I am not so stupid, as to pass on "sage wisdom" that I know is drivel. Sorry, Carl; I have nothing to "get over", as far as myself is concerned; I do have a problem with the loss of my wife, and the hurt and pain that entails. I am honest; I came to this newsgroup because I am lonely, and hurting. I have little patience for those who troll Usenet, posting crap. If you aren’t a troll, my apologies. Your post, in reply to mine, though, makes me wonder. RAS
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RAS (rst…@rocketmail.com) writes: > Ear Disorder Person wrote: >> RAS wrote: >>>Too much lost, nowhere to turn. No future, only a past of mistakes and >>>screwups… wrong choices, wrong women, wrong life. Hating myself, my >>>life, my cheating wife. Hating everything. Life is worthless. Death >>>cannot come soon enough. >> Do you have a job? > Yep, 45-50 hours a week. What good is a job, when you’ve lost everything > that was worth working for?
If you think all your orked for was worthy of it, and now cheats on you, then what you might have to lose is a gain. Think of it this way: you could split, be poorer but have something less depressing in your face all the time. Or the option is wait until she is really organized, planned it out carefully and has an attorney send you "her" divorce papers… Sometimes we think we have no solution cause the one that is blatant is not the one we dreamt of. But most of the time, what we dreamt of is not what we dream of anymore…;-) Hi, RAS. Thanks for your happy full moon wishes in the creatve story thread. I opted to reply to it here to not break the creative thread with my babble:) Hope things pick up for you, and that you find Inspiration. Or the wisdom of a prayer that is not excusively for alcoholics anonymus: that prayer about the strenght courage and wisdom about accepting what we can not change, the courage to change what we can, and the **wisdom to knwo the difference*. While you might not feel able to change anything, there are things you can change. Not her ways, only she coudl do that. But yours. You can decide, not only think, but act on the thought, that you are worth more than that treatment you are getting, and cut it right off right there. Who knows, maybe when unprepared and not all is planned yet on her side, the new data would register in her brain and make her think fo what *she* is losing? Best wishes sent to you… Have a happy full moon time too!:) (dunno if was yesterday or is tonight or what:)) C —
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RAS <rst…@rocketmail.com> wrote in news:4vqdnWHRBdY8yCTfRVn-1A@rcn.net: > Left me for the > barroom to bedroom life 19 months ago. > I believe the full moon was last night.
In the long run you’ll be better off (cold comfort). FWIW, from a certain perspective, *every* decision is the wrong one. There’s no right or wrong, only better or worse, since we only have one outcome (our own lives) we really can *never* know whether we made a better or worse one. (Add necessary qualifications here…that time I played with the doomsday device I found in the attic was almost certainly wrong, that’s a given. But generally…)
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Eleonore Beaudoin wrote: > RAS (rst…@rocketmail.com) writes: >>Ear Disorder Person wrote: >>>RAS wrote: >>>>Too much lost, nowhere to turn. No future, only a past of mistakes and >>>>screwups… wrong choices, wrong women, wrong life. Hating myself, my >>>>life, my cheating wife. Hating everything. Life is worthless. Death >>>>cannot come soon enough. >>>Do you have a job? >>Yep, 45-50 hours a week. What good is a job, when you’ve lost everything >>that was worth working for? > If you think all your orked for was worthy of it, and now cheats on you, > then what you might have to lose is a gain. > Think of it this way: you could split, be poorer but have something less > depressing in your face all the time. > Or the option is wait until she is really organized, planned it out > carefully and has an attorney send you "her" divorce papers… > Sometimes we think we have no solution cause the one that is blatant is > not the one we dreamt of. > But most of the time, what we dreamt of is not what we dream of anymore…;-) > Hi, RAS. > Thanks for your happy full moon wishes in the creatve story thread. I > opted to reply to it here to not break the creative thread with my babble:) > Hope things pick up for you, and that you find Inspiration. Or the wisdom > of a prayer that is not excusively for alcoholics anonymus: that prayer > about the strenght courage and wisdom about accepting what we can not > change, the courage to change what we can, and the **wisdom to knwo the > difference*. > While you might not feel able to change anything, there are things you can > change. Not her ways, only she coudl do that. But yours. > You can decide, not only think, but act on the thought, that you are > worth more than that treatment you are getting, and cut it right off > right there. > Who knows, maybe when unprepared and not all is planned yet on her side, > the new data would register in her brain and make her think fo what *she* > is losing? > Best wishes sent to you… > Have a happy full moon time too!:) > (dunno if was yesterday or is tonight or what:)) > C > —
Thanks for the thoughts, C… but, she is already gone. Left me for the barroom to bedroom life 19 months ago. I believe the full moon was last night.
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Mad Mambo Master of Macedonia wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> RAS <rst…@rocketmail.com> wrote in > news:n_mdnZUdTa48aiXfRVn-1A@rcn.net: >>John Effty wrote: >>>"RAS" <rst…@rocketmail.com> wrote in message >>>news:17ydnYFG5c1XSiXfRVn-iw@rcn.net… >>>>Ear Disorder Person wrote: >>>>>RAS wrote: >>>>>>Too much lost, nowhere to turn. No future, only a past of mistakes >>>>>>and screwups… wrong choices, wrong women, wrong life. Hating >>>>>>myself, my life, my cheating wife. Hating everything. Life is >>>>>>worthless. Death cannot come soon enough. >>>>>Do you have a job? >>>>Yep, 45-50 hours a week. What good is a job, when you’ve lost >>>>everything that was worth working for? >>>A lot of people in your position become workaholics. You could try >>>that for a while. At least it passes the time before death. Then, >>>if you do manage to save up some money you could go to Vegas and blow >>>it all on craps and whores. >>>Just a thought. >>>-John >>Lol! But, shucks, John, as a born again Christian, I guess the whores >>would be out of the question. (See, us Christians can have a sense of >>humor!). Aw, craps! > Have you tried Ba’al? Sounds like your current god isn’t really getting > the job done.
Get thee behind me, satan! No, I have no interest in a false god. I am sure of God, I am just not sure of myself.
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RAS <rst…@rocketmail.com> wrote in news:n_mdnZUdTa48aiXfRVn-1A@rcn.net: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> John Effty wrote: >> "RAS" <rst…@rocketmail.com> wrote in message >> news:17ydnYFG5c1XSiXfRVn-iw@rcn.net… >>>Ear Disorder Person wrote: >>>>RAS wrote: >>>>>Too much lost, nowhere to turn. No future, only a past of mistakes >>>>>and screwups… wrong choices, wrong women, wrong life. Hating >>>>>myself, my life, my cheating wife. Hating everything. Life is >>>>>worthless. Death cannot come soon enough. >>>>Do you have a job? >>>Yep, 45-50 hours a week. What good is a job, when you’ve lost >>>everything that was worth working for? >> A lot of people in your position become workaholics. You could try >> that for a while. At least it passes the time before death. Then, >> if you do manage to save up some money you could go to Vegas and blow >> it all on craps and whores. >> Just a thought. >> -John > Lol! But, shucks, John, as a born again Christian, I guess the whores > would be out of the question. (See, us Christians can have a sense of > humor!). Aw, craps!
Have you tried Ba’al? Sounds like your current god isn’t really getting the job done.
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Ear Disorder Person wrote: > RAS wrote: >>Too much lost, nowhere to turn. No future, only a past of mistakes and >>screwups… wrong choices, wrong women, wrong life. Hating myself, my >>life, my cheating wife. Hating everything. Life is worthless. Death >>cannot come soon enough. > Do you have a job?
Yep, 45-50 hours a week. What good is a job, when you’ve lost everything that was worth working for?
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news:17ydnYFG5c1XSiXfRVn-iw@rcn.net… > Ear Disorder Person wrote: >> RAS wrote: >>>Too much lost, nowhere to turn. No future, only a past of mistakes and >>>screwups… wrong choices, wrong women, wrong life. Hating myself, my >>>life, my cheating wife. Hating everything. Life is worthless. Death >>>cannot come soon enough. >> Do you have a job? > Yep, 45-50 hours a week. What good is a job, when you’ve lost everything > that was worth working for?
A lot of people in your position become workaholics. You could try that for a while. At least it passes the time before death. Then, if you do manage to save up some money you could go to Vegas and blow it all on craps and whores. Just a thought. -John
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -John Effty wrote: > "RAS" <rst…@rocketmail.com> wrote in message > news:17ydnYFG5c1XSiXfRVn-iw@rcn.net… >>Ear Disorder Person wrote: >>>RAS wrote: >>>>Too much lost, nowhere to turn. No future, only a past of mistakes and >>>>screwups… wrong choices, wrong women, wrong life. Hating myself, my >>>>life, my cheating wife. Hating everything. Life is worthless. Death >>>>cannot come soon enough. >>>Do you have a job? >>Yep, 45-50 hours a week. What good is a job, when you’ve lost everything >>that was worth working for? > A lot of people in your position become workaholics. You could try that for > a while. At least it passes the time before death. Then, if you do manage > to save up some money you could go to Vegas and blow it all on craps and > whores. > Just a thought. > -John
Lol! But, shucks, John, as a born again Christian, I guess the whores would be out of the question. (See, us Christians can have a sense of humor!). Aw, craps!
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Too much lost, nowhere to turn. No future, only a past of mistakes and screwups… wrong choices, wrong women, wrong life. Hating myself, my life, my cheating wife. Hating everything. Life is worthless. Death cannot come soon enough.
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RAS wrote: > Too much lost, nowhere to turn. No future, only a past of mistakes and > screwups… wrong choices, wrong women, wrong life. Hating myself, my > life, my cheating wife. Hating everything. Life is worthless. Death > cannot come soon enough.
Do you have a job?
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Jackie ~*~When they discover the center of the universe, a lot of people will be disappointed to discover they are not it~*~ ~~ Bernard Bailey — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm 