MJ and panic disorder and paranoia

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MJ is one thing but coffee? Life isn’t worth living without a good cuppa joe… Doug

I’ll drink to that! -frizz — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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::MJ is one thing but coffee? Life isn’t worth living without a good cuppa Amen! Blessings to the coffee gods Jackie ~*~When they discover the center of the universe, a lot of people will be disappointed to discover they are not it~*~             ~~ Bernard Bailey — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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i actually really miss pot.  we were really good pals for a time:(

Yeah, pot is like an ex-wife to me. We had to separate because of co-dependance. Well, she never got much out of me. I just used her, essentially. As it is with many relationships, I thought when I found the perfect woman she would solve all my problems. I took and took from her (or toked and toked from her) and lived my life through her. Our marriage was full of ups and downs, mainly because when she went away, I couldn’t live without her. When she was home, it was all fun and games, though yes, the paranoia was extreme. One always expects the cops to come bursting through the door at any moment. One also has to deal with his wife’s friends. Mostly gangster thugs, who only deal pot because it’s what they smoke, but prefer to deal crack because it makes more money. So the wife’s over. We’re havin’ a good time. I’m trying to get my gangster thug friends into Frank Zappa’s music. They’re trying to convince me to listen to the latest rap album. I tell them that rap has become a disposable consumer product, easily forgotten, despite the fact that the newest product is essesntially the same as the old, set-aside one. They argue with me. I tell them to get the fuck out of my house. They come back the next day with a make-up bag. No, not a bag to store make-up in. A bag of weed to make up the friendship, and get my money back in their pockets. The wife, she starts to become a burden to me. I tell her I want to leave. She lays it on thick. I become ensnared. Finally I get a divorce. She grudgingly signs the divorce papers, and I get a chip every 30 days. Yes, I meet with other divorcees, and we discuss our desire to get back together with the one true woman. The wife, she becomes a stalker, and constantly presses her face to the window, singing her siren song: "Come back to me. You’ll feel so much better." I grit my teeth and look forward to a better future, and try to forget all the good times. It’s not easy. I miss my ex-wife. Ian — I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just gonna ask where they’re goin’, and hook up with ‘em later. (Mitch Hedberg) http://sundry.ws/ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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MJ is one thing but coffee? Life isn’t worth living without a good cuppa joe… — Doug

Don’t have to worry about me (which I am sure you are not up at night doing that).  I have never ever touched the stuff.  Back in the day it was fear of Mama.  Now I see how it can cause bad anxiety.  I don’t need that.  I stopped drinking coffee for crying out loud, and I have drank that since I was a very little girl. Vicki — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

– The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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i used to be quite the pot smoker until i started having panic attacks while smoking.  the earge to smoke was so great, that the risk of having a panic attack was worth taking.  eventually, the panic won and i dread smoking now.  i actually really miss pot.  we were really good pals for a time:( russ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi fellow sufferers: I just want to type a brief note here to put out a warning that if you are a toker, it may be very dangerous for you to imbibe in certain types of MJ.  I had the worst panic/paranoid attack in my 40+ years of suffering from panic disorder after I toked on CA MJ. One hit and I was shook up for at least 3 days because of it.  IMO you should be extremely careful if you are self medicating with MJ — go little and slow or not at all. -frizz Who would enjoy hearing stories about MJ users experiences in combo with other meds and/or therapy for panic disorder. — Don’t have to worry about me (which I am sure you are not up at night doing that).  I have never ever touched the stuff.  Back in the day it was fear of Mama.  Now I see how it can cause bad anxiety.  I don’t need  that.  I stopped drinking coffee for crying out loud, and I have drank that since I was a very little girl. Vicki — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

– The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi fellow sufferers: I just want to type a brief note here to put out a warning that if you are a toker, it may be very dangerous for you to imbibe in certain types of MJ.  I had the worst panic/paranoid attack in my 40+ years of suffering from panic disorder after I toked on CA MJ. One hit and I was shook up for at least 3 days because of it.  IMO you should be extremely careful if you are self medicating with MJ — go little and slow or not at all. -frizz Who would enjoy hearing stories about MJ users experiences in combo with other meds and/or therapy for panic disorder. —

Don’t have to worry about me (which I am sure you are not up at night doing that).  I have never ever touched the stuff.  Back in the day it was fear of Mama.  Now I see how it can cause bad anxiety.  I don’t need  that.  I stopped drinking coffee for crying out loud, and I have drank that since I was a very little girl. Vicki — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi fellow sufferers: I just want to type a brief note here to put out a warning that if you are a toker, it may be very dangerous for you to imbibe in certain types of MJ.  I had the worst panic/paranoid attack in my 40+ years of suffering from panic disorder after I toked on CA MJ. One hit and I was shook up for at least 3 days because of it.  IMO you should be extremely careful if you are self medicating with MJ — go little and slow or not at all. -frizz Who would enjoy hearing stories about MJ users experiences in combo with other meds and/or therapy for panic disorder.

I wouldn’t touch it for a lot of money – pot can really be bad for my symptoms, anxiety and other ones. Horrible paranois.  I know some that don’t feel that way, but that’s my response. Welcome to the group. Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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::I just want to type a brief note here to put out a warning that if you ::are a toker, it may be very dangerous for you to imbibe in certain ::types of MJ.  I had the worst panic/paranoid attack in my 40+ years of ::suffering from panic disorder after I toked on CA MJ. One hit and I was ::shook up for at least 3 days because of it.  IMO you should be ::extremely careful if you are self medicating with MJ — go little and ::slow or not at all. Dear Frizz, I suggest not at all Me and pot never got along well. I would always get these strange "attacks". Was convinced I was getting pot that was laced. The last time I smoked weed, my sister found me crawling on the front lawn in the middle of the night looking for keys. I swore the stuff off after that. I always felt shook up for days after smoking too. About ten years ago after reading drug literature one of my kids brought home from school…. I realized that the pot I smoked wasn`t laced. The "attacks" were panic attacks. One of the most common side-effects of pot is panic and anxiety. There is a price to pay if you choose to self-medicate with pot or alcohol. Jackie ~*~When they discover the center of the universe, a lot of people will be disappointed to discover they are not it~*~             ~~ Bernard Bailey — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ::I just want to type a brief note here to put out a warning that if you ::are a toker, it may be very dangerous for you to imbibe in certain ::types of MJ.  I had the worst panic/paranoid attack in my 40+ years of ::suffering from panic disorder after I toked on CA MJ. One hit and I was ::shook up for at least 3 days because of it.  IMO you should be ::extremely careful if you are self medicating with MJ — go little and ::slow or not at all. Dear Frizz, I suggest not at all Me and pot never got along well. I would always get these strange "attacks". Was convinced I was getting pot that was laced. The last time I smoked weed, my sister found me crawling on the front lawn in the middle of the night looking for keys. I swore the stuff off after that. I always felt shook up for days after smoking too. About ten years ago after reading drug literature one of my kids brought home from school…. I realized that the pot I smoked wasn`t laced. The "attacks" were panic attacks. One of the most common side-effects of pot is panic and anxiety. There is a price to pay if you choose to self-medicate with pot or alcohol. Jackie

Amen to that. Vicki — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi fellow sufferers: I just want to type a brief note here to put out a warning that if you are a toker, it may be very dangerous for you to imbibe in certain types of MJ.  I had the worst panic/paranoid attack in my 40+ years of suffering from panic disorder after I toked on CA MJ. One hit and I was shook up for at least 3 days because of it.  IMO you should be extremely careful if you are self medicating with MJ — go little and slow or not at all. -frizz Who would enjoy hearing stories about MJ users experiences in combo with other meds and/or therapy for panic disorder. — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi fellow sufferers: I just want to type a brief note here to put out a warning that if you are a toker, it may be very dangerous for you to imbibe in certain types of MJ.  I had the worst panic/paranoid attack in my 40+ years of suffering from panic disorder after I toked on CA MJ. One hit and I was shook up for at least 3 days because of it.  IMO you should be extremely careful if you are self medicating with MJ — go little and slow or not at all. -frizz Who would enjoy hearing stories about MJ users experiences in combo with other meds and/or therapy for panic disorder.

Pot always gave me anxiety and paranoia.  I only smoked it to try to make friends.  I haven’t touched the stuff in who knows how many years. As far as using it with other meds, just ask your Dr.  That would probably be the most qualified person to ask. — Tony — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hello, alt.USA-politics.loneliness!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"paneon" (paneon@sdf_dot_lonestar.org) writes: > "Eleonore Beaudoin" <bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message > news:dfuv1n$mbu$1@theodyn.ncf.ca… >> "paneon" (paneon@sdf_dot_lonestar.org) writes: >> > "Eleonore Beaudoin" <bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message >> > news:dfqg9p$97j$1@theodyn.ncf.ca… >> >> "paneon" (paneon@sdf_dot_lonestar.org) writes: >> >> >> > So, we’ve talked weather and politics. Is the sound of the >> > barrel-bottom >> >> >> > scraping I hear? >> >> >> LOL:) >> >> >> Erm…..Oh! No way!:) >> >> >> Religion! >> >> >> We have not talked religion yet!L:) >> >> >> And lord knows (no pun intended;-0) that can last a few milleniae:) >> >> >> So, errrrmmmm. >> >> >> Who have you sacrificed today …?;-) >> >> > I’ll get back to you on this one after I finish building my wicker > man >> >> > >> >> Yay!!! I’ll have a wicker man for my bday!! >> >> Thank you Thank you, Paneon! >> >> (claps hands in fast brisk excited claps that make her jump up and down >> >> given the amount of air so fast displaced;-)) >> >> Do you provide the gasoline and matches with that?;-) >> > Afraid me the starving uni student can’t afford the gasoline >> Don’t lok now but lots of people can’t afford it that have a regular job, >> nowadays. >> In fact, just this week, I heard someone say she had it with >> tightening the belt more and more, and told her hubby she >> needed a break friom it all, asking him to take her to a nice place for a >> change. Somwhere expensive. >> He obliged and took her with him to the local gas station to fill up their >> mini-van tank.;-) > I’m surprised she didn’t suggest to hubby that she was thinking more along > the lines of a trip to the ol’ divorce lawyer after that stunt. >>  - but I’m >> > hunting down some woad (and ain’t birthdays so much more fun with face >> > paint!) >> Each tiem someone talks about paint or painting the town red, etc, I have >> this humming I wish I could write in a way that woudl id the song on its >> own. The humming part of the old tune "Paint it black". >> Hmm-mmm-mmh-mmmhhh-hmmm-hmm-mm >> mmmh-mmm-mmm-hmm-hmm-hmmm >>  >  > Hope you had a happy (and blue) birthday. > >> Thanks. Was an okay one, with lots of calls, wishes, posts, emails, > ecards, >> e-maginative presents, and even e-maginative e-wrapping  brown paper:), >> *and* "happy bday" sang 3 times at work, plus another three seperate times > on >> the phone by relatives. AND a real 10 dollar bill present, too from my >> sister Fran, and a cake I have not seen yet baked by my mom… >> Only the last 30 minutes were quite silent… >> I crashed asleep and woke up ten minutes into the new day, where it now is >> someoen else’s bday: my son’s sweet half. Funny thing was that my son >> insisted that he had to call me forst and would not let his sweet half >> call me before him, where it was a sort of tug of war between them:). Had >> they called 1.5 hours later, I’d not have to call back the sweet half >> today:), who’s bday happens to be on the tenth (sic). Must make my son’s >> life very complicated….Specially of you add to that that he has to split >> in four on his grandparents’ bday, since both his grand dad’s were born a >> May 2, and both his grand mom’s a dec 3! (really!). >> What do you study where, again? >> What year are you into? > [Memo to self: Stop encouraging the internet stalkers.]

..Huh…:?? Lost me here….. > *ducks* > > Ok, I’ll restrain myself from being such a rude individual for a little. At > the moment I’m nearly 6 years into an engineering/commerce dual degree – > which I should have finished last year if not for various nervous > breakdowns, so on, and so forth. Let’s just say that I’m talking to the > career counsellors at uni about becoming something like a guide-dog trainer, > and you should gain some idea of how much fun/use my degrees have turned out > to be even through my GPA fairly respectable.

The last year was a toughie for me at uni, thsi I can say. In fact the last fibve were, where teachers would constntly use my thesis subject they yet had approved and would turn it into whatever next subj4ect they wanted, piling the work up to publish under their own name: rules had it that each teacher had to publish at least each seven years. They were given a paid year off to do so, where stealing students work made that a full paid year of holidyas with no research for them to bother with. They did that for 4 years to me. I had done all my classes and just needed that doen to get the hell out of there. Student loans were piling up, for nothing, while they got risher on my back. Finally I could with the help of a new superior study director screw thm all and present my subjects at the last minute, makign it impossibel for them to refuse them and suggest any other tiopic or bibliography. But I sure felt like dropping it all. It was a friend tellingme thatmaybe unconsciously I wanted to drop it not knowing by what to replace that goal I had worked at for so many years that made me think maybe he was right and it was onconsciopus as much as I did not feel it was so. But that pushed me to ending it since all that was left was that last year or trying another subject again and hope they would let me go. Again, only the change of the superior study director helped me out. I coudl finally leave uni at age **31***. I had ended all my calsses many years before and was astign years at their mercy…untl they changed director where he had a score t even out with colleagues, thank God, wehre he then helped me out to screw them all, coming up with a plan to make it so they coudl not do a thing about it. But with keeping trying oen more year, luck turned around, and I finally coudl moe on to soemthign else and not be so down by it all anymore. So all I coudl say here woudl be to not give up cause that woudl be giving in! To finish the degree, givign it one more eyar, to then be able to know soem new goal in your life and rid of that dragging weight. We get so trapped in it that we forget that we donlt have a clue what it can bring ahead anymore… Make the move. End the degree. Leave THEM behind and move on. Don’t leave YOU behind and stay stuck in that downer!  > > So, where is the habit range of the spotted and herbaceous paneon do you > wonder? Well, if you look at a map of Australia, going from south to north > along the thin urban strip along the east coast where 85% of the Australia’s > population resides , you have the three largest cities which are the > cosmopolitan city of Melbourne, the global business hub of Sydney and > well… well… what the big-vigs in city hall insist on describing as > ‘Liveable Brisbane’. (I’m sure the phrase ‘liveable’ also gets used a lot to > describe Chernobyl by the Russians.)

Hey. I had a penpal from there yeas ago:) In fact I even have a license plate that reads "Chloe" and under it "Gold Coast";-) > Basically Brisbane is what happens when a big country town develops a few > hundred kilometres of urban sprawl. And what’s the important thing to > remember about country towns? Everyone that was born there really, really > wants to get out and never, ever go back… > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brisbane

Will copy and paste to go check out on my full web connection later. —

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"Eleonore Beaudoin" <bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message

news:dfuv1n$mbu$1@theodyn.ncf.ca… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "paneon" (paneon@sdf_dot_lonestar.org) writes: > > "Eleonore Beaudoin" <bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message > > news:dfqg9p$97j$1@theodyn.ncf.ca… > >> "paneon" (paneon@sdf_dot_lonestar.org) writes: > >> >> > So, we’ve talked weather and politics. Is the sound of the > > barrel-bottom > >> >> > scraping I hear? > >> >> LOL:) > >> >> Erm…..Oh! No way!:) > >> >> Religion! > >> >> We have not talked religion yet!L:) > >> >> And lord knows (no pun intended;-0) that can last a few milleniae:) > >> >> So, errrrmmmm. > >> >> Who have you sacrificed today …?;-) > >> > I’ll get back to you on this one after I finish building my wicker man > >> > > >> Yay!!! I’ll have a wicker man for my bday!! > >> Thank you Thank you, Paneon! > >> (claps hands in fast brisk excited claps that make her jump up and down > >> given the amount of air so fast displaced;-)) > >> Do you provide the gasoline and matches with that?;-) > > Afraid me the starving uni student can’t afford the gasoline > Don’t lok now but lots of people can’t afford it that have a regular job, > nowadays. > In fact, just this week, I heard someone say she had it with > tightening the belt more and more, and told her hubby she > needed a break friom it all, asking him to take her to a nice place for a > change. Somwhere expensive. > He obliged and took her with him to the local gas station to fill up their > mini-van tank.;-)

I’m surprised she didn’t suggest to hubby that she was thinking more along the lines of a trip to the ol’ divorce lawyer after that stunt. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->  - but I’m > > hunting down some woad (and ain’t birthdays so much more fun with face > > paint!) > Each tiem someone talks about paint or painting the town red, etc, I have > this humming I wish I could write in a way that woudl id the song on its > own. The humming part of the old tune "Paint it black". > Hmm-mmm-mmh-mmmhhh-hmmm-hmm-mm > mmmh-mmm-mmm-hmm-hmm-hmmm >  >  > Hope you had a happy (and blue) birthday. > > Thanks. Was an okay one, with lots of calls, wishes, posts, emails, ecards, > e-maginative presents, and even e-maginative e-wrapping  brown paper:), > *and* "happy bday" sang 3 times at work, plus another three seperate times on > the phone by relatives. AND a real 10 dollar bill present, too from my > sister Fran, and a cake I have not seen yet baked by my mom… > Only the last 30 minutes were quite silent… > I crashed asleep and woke up ten minutes into the new day, where it now is > someoen else’s bday: my son’s sweet half. Funny thing was that my son > insisted that he had to call me forst and would not let his sweet half > call me before him, where it was a sort of tug of war between them:). Had > they called 1.5 hours later, I’d not have to call back the sweet half > today:), who’s bday happens to be on the tenth (sic). Must make my son’s > life very complicated….Specially of you add to that that he has to split > in four on his grandparents’ bday, since both his grand dad’s were born a > May 2, and both his grand mom’s a dec 3! (really!). > What do you study where, again? > What year are you into?

[Memo to self: Stop encouraging the internet stalkers.] *ducks* Ok, I’ll restrain myself from being such a rude individual for a little. At the moment I’m nearly 6 years into an engineering/commerce dual degree – which I should have finished last year if not for various nervous breakdowns, so on, and so forth. Let’s just say that I’m talking to the career counsellors at uni about becoming something like a guide-dog trainer, and you should gain some idea of how much fun/use my degrees have turned out to be even through my GPA fairly respectable. So, where is the habit range of the spotted and herbaceous paneon do you wonder? Well, if you look at a map of Australia, going from south to north along the thin urban strip along the east coast where 85% of the Australia’s population resides , you have the three largest cities which are the cosmopolitan city of Melbourne, the global business hub of Sydney and well… well… what the big-vigs in city hall insist on describing as ‘Liveable Brisbane’. (I’m sure the phrase ‘liveable’ also gets used a lot to describe Chernobyl by the Russians.) Basically Brisbane is what happens when a big country town develops a few hundred kilometres of urban sprawl. And what’s the important thing to remember about country towns? Everyone that was born there really, really wants to get out and never, ever go back… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brisbane

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> Hi, > I am new to this American politics -loneliness ng thing. > But I just wanted to say that since this ng was lackign in diversity of > topics, I tried the Four Suits Solitaire once more and made it.

Yea, more diversity of topics would be nice. I ain’t got no interesting threads to ramble around these days, and these boots ain’t made for lurking… > That means I can make a very special wish today or whenever I am ready. > So many things to pick one wish from….. > Any suggestions? > What would YOU wish for would the wish be yours?

I wish the political views of the powers that be in the US weren’t mindlessly and endlessly parroted by the Australian government. It’s sickening enough seeing our government ‘going all the way’ with Dubya in Iraq – but now they’re trying to defend the blatant lies and mismanagement of the whole New Orleans disaster too… Awful stuff. Just awful. Can we be lonely again now? (Better lonely than political…)

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"paneon" (paneon@sdf_dot_lonestar.org) writes: >> Hi, >> I am new to this American politics -loneliness ng thing. >> But I just wanted to say that since this ng was lackign in diversity of >> topics, I tried the Four Suits Solitaire once more and made it. > Yea, more diversity of topics would be nice. I ain’t got no interesting > threads to ramble around these days, and these boots ain’t made for > lurking…

I no longer am lonely with this feeling, then;-) Good! >> That means I can make a very special wish today or whenever I am ready. >> So many things to pick one wish from….. >> Any suggestions? >> What would YOU wish for would the wish be yours? > I wish the political views of the powers that be in the US weren’t > mindlessly and endlessly parroted by the Australian government. It’s > sickening enough seeing our government ‘going all the way’ with Dubya in > Iraq – but now they’re trying to defend the blatant lies and mismanagement > of the whole New Orleans disaster too… Awful stuff. Just awful. Can we be > lonely again now? (Better lonely than political…)

It is particularly odd given the distance. I have to guess at Australia having some direct economic issues with oil… Poor old Paul Martin tries the same and sent more and more Canadians to war, while the government claims it takes no part in it, given how the Canadian population is against the entire way it was done, and given the foreseable outcome: hike in gas price so that the Bush family & friends can sell their own reserves (apparently as big as 1/3 of all petroleum in the wolrd) at the highest price, to stash before Dubya is out of power. It might very well go on with the next ""elected"" official, since money talks so loud. If for ages I started new threads, I am sort of drawing a blank lately before the entire state of everything. Power trips everywhere. Political world, every day work world, anywhere there is any association of human beings it seems… While everyone comments on the reaction of those who were stranded in New Orleans, labelling them a bunch of things, I look at how much more confortable we all are, and at how much pulling the blanket everyone tries anyway, where I then think of how, that woudl they be elected president, we still all would be in deep shnoot. Anywa. Change of tropics…;-) You lucky thing, starting spring!!! How’s the weather where you are? Here, it changed a lot in mid August, so fast compared to normal, nights getting much cooler and colder at times even, that I fear we might be heading for a winter of heavy snow like many kids might never have seen yet… But then again, with the climate changes, this could change again without warning to the hottest winter yet. But would anything be predictable as it used to be, this coming winter would be one of biting blizzard, and of heavy snow falls and snow drifts… And it might start way way too early, too…. Someone should already plan ahead to feed wild animals this winter… Plow people should have a nice income this year. City taxes should go up next year…..and bring more political bla bla;-) C  > —

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"paneon" (paneon@sdf_dot_lonestar.org) writes: > "Eleonore Beaudoin" <bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message > news:dfqg9p$97j$1@theodyn.ncf.ca… >> "paneon" (paneon@sdf_dot_lonestar.org) writes: >> >> > So, we’ve talked weather and politics. Is the sound of the > barrel-bottom >> >> > scraping I hear? >> >> LOL:) >> >> Erm…..Oh! No way!:) >> >> Religion! >> >> We have not talked religion yet!L:) >> >> And lord knows (no pun intended;-0) that can last a few milleniae:) >> >> So, errrrmmmm. >> >> Who have you sacrificed today …?;-) >> > I’ll get back to you on this one after I finish building my wicker man >> > >> Yay!!! I’ll have a wicker man for my bday!! >> Thank you Thank you, Paneon! >> (claps hands in fast brisk excited claps that make her jump up and down >> given the amount of air so fast displaced;-)) >> Do you provide the gasoline and matches with that?;-) > Afraid me the starving uni student can’t afford the gasoline

Don’t lok now but lots of people can’t afford it that have a regular job, nowadays. In fact, just this week, I heard someone say she had it with tightening the belt more and more, and told her hubby she needed a break friom it all, asking him to take her to a nice place for a change. Somwhere expensive. He obliged and took her with him to the local gas station to fill up their mini-van tank.;-)  - but I’m > hunting down some woad (and ain’t birthdays so much more fun with face > paint!)

Each tiem someone talks about paint or painting the town red, etc, I have this humming I wish I could write in a way that woudl id the song on its own. The humming part of the old tune "Paint it black". Hmm-mmm-mmh-mmmhhh-hmmm-hmm-mm mmmh-mmm-mmm-hmm-hmm-hmmm  >  > Hope you had a happy (and blue) birthday. > Thanks. Was an okay one, with lots of calls, wishes, posts, emails, ecards, e-maginative presents, and even e-maginative e-wrapping  brown paper:), *and* "happy bday" sang 3 times at work, plus another three seperate times on the phone by relatives. AND a real 10 dollar bill present, too from my sister Fran, and a cake I have not seen yet baked by my mom… Only the last 30 minutes were quite silent… I crashed asleep and woke up ten minutes into the new day, where it now is someoen else’s bday: my son’s sweet half. Funny thing was that my son insisted that he had to call me forst and would not let his sweet half call me before him, where it was a sort of tug of war between them:). Had they called 1.5 hours later, I’d not have to call back the sweet half today:), who’s bday happens to be on the tenth (sic). Must make my son’s life very complicated….Specially of you add to that that he has to split in four on his grandparents’ bday, since both his grand dad’s were born a May 2, and both his grand mom’s a dec 3! (really!). What do you study where, again? What year are you into? —

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> > So, we’ve talked weather and politics. Is the sound of the barrel-bottom > > scraping I hear? > LOL:) > Erm…..Oh! No way!:) > Religion! > We have not talked religion yet!L:) > And lord knows (no pun intended;-0) that can last a few milleniae:) > So, errrrmmmm. > Who have you sacrificed today …?;-)

I’ll get back to you on this one after I finish building my wicker man

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"paneon" (paneon@sdf_dot_lonestar.org) writes: >> > So, we’ve talked weather and politics. Is the sound of the barrel-bottom >> > scraping I hear? >> LOL:) >> Erm…..Oh! No way!:) >> Religion! >> We have not talked religion yet!L:) >> And lord knows (no pun intended;-0) that can last a few milleniae:) >> So, errrrmmmm. >> Who have you sacrificed today …?;-) > I’ll get back to you on this one after I finish building my wicker man >

Yay!!! I’ll have a wicker man for my bday!! Thank you Thank you, Paneon! (claps hands in fast brisk excited claps that make her jump up and down given the amount of air so fast displaced;-)) Do you provide the gasoline and matches with that?;-) C —

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news:dfqg9p$97j$1@theodyn.ncf.ca… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "paneon" (paneon@sdf_dot_lonestar.org) writes: > >> > So, we’ve talked weather and politics. Is the sound of the barrel-bottom > >> > scraping I hear? > >> LOL:) > >> Erm…..Oh! No way!:) > >> Religion! > >> We have not talked religion yet!L:) > >> And lord knows (no pun intended;-0) that can last a few milleniae:) > >> So, errrrmmmm. > >> Who have you sacrificed today …?;-) > > I’ll get back to you on this one after I finish building my wicker man > > > Yay!!! I’ll have a wicker man for my bday!! > Thank you Thank you, Paneon! > (claps hands in fast brisk excited claps that make her jump up and down > given the amount of air so fast displaced;-)) > Do you provide the gasoline and matches with that?;-)

Afraid me the starving uni student can’t afford the gasoline – but I’m hunting down some woad (and ain’t birthdays so much more fun with face paint!) Hope you had a happy (and blue) birthday.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"paneon" (paneon@sdf_dot_lonestar.org) writes: > "Eleonore Beaudoin" <bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message > news:dfjqsa$bv6$1@theodyn.ncf.ca… >> "paneon" (paneon@sdf_dot_lonestar.org) writes: >> >> Hi, >> >> I am new to this American politics -loneliness ng thing. >> >> But I just wanted to say that since this ng was lackign in diversity of >> >> topics, I tried the Four Suits Solitaire once more and made it. >> > Yea, more diversity of topics would be nice. I ain’t got no interesting >> > threads to ramble around these days, and these boots ain’t made for >> > lurking… >> I no longer am lonely with this feeling, then;-) >> Good! >> >> That means I can make a very special wish today or whenever I am ready. >> >> So many things to pick one wish from….. >> >> Any suggestions? >> >> What would YOU wish for would the wish be yours? >> > I wish the political views of the powers that be in the US weren’t >> > mindlessly and endlessly parroted by the Australian government. It’s >> > sickening enough seeing our government ‘going all the way’ with Dubya in >> > Iraq – but now they’re trying to defend the blatant lies and > mismanagement >> > of the whole New Orleans disaster too… Awful stuff. Just awful. Can we > be >> > lonely again now? (Better lonely than political…) >> It is particularly odd given the distance. >> I have to guess at Australia having some direct economic issues with >> oil… > Not really. Our prime minister just really likes to live a life of > sycophancy. > <snip> >> While everyone comments on the reaction of those who were stranded in New >> Orleans, labelling them a bunch of things, I look at how much more > Desperate circumstances, desperate people, desparate reactions – the only > thing that made New Orleans different was that people had too many firearms > and not enough government concern.. > <…>

Stil is awful how the army just sent them away, by foot too. Smelled like all Bush aimed at was to disperse them so that tv could not show such massive images of his inertia. As if brushing it under the carpet would do:(. A very very bad, bad, bad, disgusting farce. All he cares bout is to not look like he is. Helping his own? *His* god forbids, obviously:( Here the soldiers were shown on tv even shouting at cameramen and reporters to "get the f out", in no friendly terms (lots of shouting and f words, ordering and threatening them to go away and "take their effing camera with them", where that made the orders they were given to muffle it away  quite blatant to me…) Hopefully Americans will soon put an end to Bush and to his reign. On top of being an international war criminal, he now is a man guilty of the manslaughter of thousands of innocents by hunger and thirst. In Canada, at least, refusing water to anyone is illegal (sic), and passible of criminal charges of criminal neglect, manslaughter or murder. And what of non-assistance to the wounded or dying? That too is in the criminal code, and I believe that that one is in the US penal code too. >> Change of tropics…;-) >> You lucky thing, starting spring!!! >> How’s the weather where you are? > Well, I’m technically a sub-tropical dweller > (we have rainforests in my neck of the woods – but we also have a disenable > winter – which made an encore performance today, but we have still had a few > decent preview performances from spring over the past couple of weeks. )

Oh to be at that time of the year!! We had zilch spring at all this year. Rain,rain, rain and rain and did I mention rain? And fall like weather. Then it turrned to records of heat waves, lasting longer at higher temperatures than ever, i.e. than since they started compliling the weather in 29. Yet we have an early fall this year. Earlier even then when I was a kid… Oh, can we just get that year back and change it for a nice one? > So, we’ve talked weather and politics. Is the sound of the barrel-bottom > scraping I hear?

LOL:) Erm…..Oh! No way!:) Religion! We have not talked religion yet!L:) And lord knows (no pun intended;-0) that can last a few milleniae:) So, errrrmmmm. Who have you sacrificed today …?;-) —

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news:dfjqsa$bv6$1@theodyn.ncf.ca… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "paneon" (paneon@sdf_dot_lonestar.org) writes: > >> Hi, > >> I am new to this American politics -loneliness ng thing. > >> But I just wanted to say that since this ng was lackign in diversity of > >> topics, I tried the Four Suits Solitaire once more and made it. > > Yea, more diversity of topics would be nice. I ain’t got no interesting > > threads to ramble around these days, and these boots ain’t made for > > lurking… > I no longer am lonely with this feeling, then;-) > Good! > >> That means I can make a very special wish today or whenever I am ready. > >> So many things to pick one wish from….. > >> Any suggestions? > >> What would YOU wish for would the wish be yours? > > I wish the political views of the powers that be in the US weren’t > > mindlessly and endlessly parroted by the Australian government. It’s > > sickening enough seeing our government ‘going all the way’ with Dubya in > > Iraq – but now they’re trying to defend the blatant lies and mismanagement > > of the whole New Orleans disaster too… Awful stuff. Just awful. Can we be > > lonely again now? (Better lonely than political…) > It is particularly odd given the distance. > I have to guess at Australia having some direct economic issues with > oil…

Not really. Our prime minister just really likes to live a life of sycophancy. <snip> > While everyone comments on the reaction of those who were stranded in New > Orleans, labelling them a bunch of things, I look at how much more

Desperate circumstances, desperate people, desparate reactions – the only thing that made New Orleans different was that people had too many firearms and not enough government concern.. <…> > Change of tropics…;-) > You lucky thing, starting spring!!! > How’s the weather where you are?

Well, I’m technically a sub-tropical dweller (we have rainforests in my neck of the woods – but we also have a disenable winter – which made an encore performance today, but we have still had a few decent preview performances from spring over the past couple of weeks. ) So, we’ve talked weather and politics. Is the sound of the barrel-bottom scraping I hear?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Eleonore Beaudoin wrote: > =?windows-1252?Q?Ghost_Walker=99?= (night-ri…@Cookieshaw.ca) writes: >>Eleonore Beaudoin wrote: >>>"OB" (nevilemo…@yahoo.com) writes: >>>>Eleonore Beaudoin wrote: >>>>>Hi, >>>>>I am new to this American politics -loneliness ng thing. >>>>>But I just wanted to say that since this ng was lackign in diversity of >>>>>topics, I tried the Four Suits Solitaire once more and made it. >>>>>That means I can make a very special wish today or whenever I am ready. >>>>>So many things to pick one wish from….. >>>>>Any suggestions? >>>>>What would YOU wish for would the wish be yours? >>>>It would probably be a playoff between universal peace, health and >>>>happiness for all mankind in perpetuity, or a slightly longer dick. >>>>That’s a pretty tough choice, come to think of it. >>>G.W., is that you…??;-) >>lol that was’nt me, my um…..n/m >>i’ll just say i got no complaints in a certain area > Ooops. Din’t think of the possible confusion with the initials L:):) > Course, I meant "George Dublyah Bush". > Ya know,the one who finds it a toucgh choice to decide what part of his > body to think with…?;-)

sounds like someone i live with :p > As for you, thank God you were not created a statue…I guess L:) > (if you read below my reply to OB you will see what I mean:))

lmao, if i were, i’d make sure my statue had pants or at least a loin cloth :p – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>ghost >>>But more seriously: >>>Not a tough choice if you think a bit. >>>Once upon a time, there were statues of the pefect males, done by Greeks >>>and Romans/Italian Masters and so on. >>>During wars, all those perfect penises were destroyed by *men* >>> ****Not snatched off and carried home by excited females**** >>>;-) >>>– > —

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Eleonore Beaudoin wrote: > "OB" (nevilemo…@yahoo.com) writes: >>Eleonore Beaudoin wrote: >>>Hi, >>>I am new to this American politics -loneliness ng thing. >>>But I just wanted to say that since this ng was lackign in diversity of >>>topics, I tried the Four Suits Solitaire once more and made it. >>>That means I can make a very special wish today or whenever I am ready. >>>So many things to pick one wish from….. >>>Any suggestions? >>>What would YOU wish for would the wish be yours? >>It would probably be a playoff between universal peace, health and >>happiness for all mankind in perpetuity, or a slightly longer dick. >>That’s a pretty tough choice, come to think of it. > G.W., is that you…??;-)

lol that was’nt me, my um…..n/m i’ll just say i got no complaints in a certain area ghost – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> But more seriously: > Not a tough choice if you think a bit. > Once upon a time, there were statues of the pefect males, done by Greeks > and Romans/Italian Masters and so on. > During wars, all those perfect penises were destroyed by *men* >  ****Not snatched off and carried home by excited females**** > > —

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -=?windows-1252?Q?Ghost_Walker=99?= (night-ri…@Cookieshaw.ca) writes: > Eleonore Beaudoin wrote: >> "OB" (nevilemo…@yahoo.com) writes: >>>Eleonore Beaudoin wrote: >>>>Hi, >>>>I am new to this American politics -loneliness ng thing. >>>>But I just wanted to say that since this ng was lackign in diversity of >>>>topics, I tried the Four Suits Solitaire once more and made it. >>>>That means I can make a very special wish today or whenever I am ready. >>>>So many things to pick one wish from….. >>>>Any suggestions? >>>>What would YOU wish for would the wish be yours? >>>It would probably be a playoff between universal peace, health and >>>happiness for all mankind in perpetuity, or a slightly longer dick. >>>That’s a pretty tough choice, come to think of it. >> G.W., is that you…??;-) > lol that was’nt me, my um…..n/m > i’ll just say i got no complaints in a certain area

Ooops. Din’t think of the possible confusion with the initials L:):) Course, I meant "George Dublyah Bush". Ya know,the one who finds it a toucgh choice to decide what part of his body to think with…?;-) As for you, thank God you were not created a statue…I guess L:) (if you read below my reply to OB you will see what I mean:))  > – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> ghost >> But more seriously: >> Not a tough choice if you think a bit. >> Once upon a time, there were statues of the pefect males, done by Greeks >> and Romans/Italian Masters and so on. >> During wars, all those perfect penises were destroyed by *men* >>  ****Not snatched off and carried home by excited females**** >> >> —

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"Marlowe" (marl…@PIforhire.cam) writes: >  bush to step >>> down plus the head one of fema. >> What is "the head one of fema"?? >> Not a clue…:? ("fema"?? Kececa??) >> (Help,help, cried the redhead feeling like a dumbblond;-)) > The head of the Federal Emergency Management Agency. an American > governmental body supposed to help in such situations >                                        Marlowe

Ah. Thanks!:) I understand fast when I am explained slowly;-) I thought it was a word, and did not think of an acronym… Not surprising they’d not have been prepared to do a thing: "Agency" is usually just a nice facade word meaning that a past governmental service was offered to the private sector by contracts given to political buddies (people who put their money in an election campaign illegally, under the table, and who get a piece of the cake in return). Think of it as a contract with the devil…. "Decentralization" is just another word for splitting the cake among them, and creating entities that will survive (and make impossible) any real change of power, regadless of any change of party. Let’s all start gathering animals by pairs… —

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 bush to step >> down plus the head one of fema. > What is "the head one of fema"?? > Not a clue…:? ("fema"?? Kececa??) > (Help,help, cried the redhead feeling like a dumbblond;-))

The head of the Federal Emergency Management Agency. an American governmental body supposed to help in such situations                                        Marlowe

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Marlowe wrote: >  bush to step >>>down plus the head one of fema. >>What is "the head one of fema"?? >>Not a clue…:? ("fema"?? Kececa??) >>(Help,help, cried the redhead feeling like a dumbblond;-)) > The head of the Federal Emergency Management Agency. an American > governmental body supposed to help in such situations >                                        Marlowe

lol thanks marlowe, me being not good at explaing things was starting to wonder how i was goona explain fema to chloe with out making her more confused. ghost – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"OB" (nevilemo…@yahoo.com) writes: > Eleonore Beaudoin wrote: >> Hi, >> I am new to this American politics -loneliness ng thing. >> But I just wanted to say that since this ng was lackign in diversity of >> topics, I tried the Four Suits Solitaire once more and made it. >> That means I can make a very special wish today or whenever I am ready. >> So many things to pick one wish from….. >> Any suggestions? >> What would YOU wish for would the wish be yours? > It would probably be a playoff between universal peace, health and > happiness for all mankind in perpetuity, or a slightly longer dick. > That’s a pretty tough choice, come to think of it.

G.W., is that you…??;-) But more seriously: Not a tough choice if you think a bit. Once upon a time, there were statues of the pefect males, done by Greeks and Romans/Italian Masters and so on. During wars, all those perfect penises were destroyed by *men*  ****Not snatched off and carried home by excited females**** —

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Eleonore Beaudoin wrote: > Hi, > I am new to this American politics -loneliness ng thing. > But I just wanted to say that since this ng was lackign in diversity of > topics, I tried the Four Suits Solitaire once more and made it. > That means I can make a very special wish today or whenever I am ready. > So many things to pick one wish from….. > Any suggestions? > What would YOU wish for would the wish be yours?

It would probably be a playoff between universal peace, health and happiness for all mankind in perpetuity, or a slightly longer dick. That’s a pretty tough choice, come to think of it.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -=?windows-1252?Q?Ghost_Walker=99?= (night-ri…@Cookieshaw.ca) writes: > Eleonore Beaudoin wrote: >> Hi, >> I am new to this American politics -loneliness ng thing. >> But I just wanted to say that since this ng was lackign in diversity of >> topics, I tried the Four Suits Solitaire once more and made it. >> That means I can make a very special wish today or whenever I am ready. >> So many things to pick one wish from….. >> Any suggestions? >> What would YOU wish for would the wish be yours? > being a loneliness politicalk group, my wish would be for bush to step > down plus the head one of fema.

What is "the head one of fema"?? Not a clue…:? ("fema"?? Kececa??) (Help,help, cried the redhead feeling like a dumbblond;-)) > in reality, my wish is that lost loved ones and friends will be found safe > people might not bring up politicks when talking about a disaster if > they (me included) don’t watch cnn. cnn is famous for dragging in > politicks when covering a disaster.

Somethign really odd happened this morning. I could not catch one single image on tv, try as I may, this past week, about the hurricane. I dunno, seems I teied all the wrong hours, if I tyried at 5, 6, 10, 11 and midnight and in between. I must always just have missed it or soemthing. Today, I hoped for a weekley news thing like a recap. They ahd one! So I aited to see it, But all hey showed were poeple saying what they thought of the time Bush took to react. Then they said they would leave us on images of the past week, some hard, some sad, and some of relief and…hope. What followed was an image I had seen when the hurricane started to hit the coast. Not even in Louisiana. Same image of that reporter on a beach with the wind. The images of things flyign in the air. Then imagages of…Bush shaking hands, where the sound went up as a lady said "Tahnk you" to him (sic) and more images of him walking in the crows of homeless, it looked as in New Orleans. That was it!! I just was so upset!! It felt so arranged to show images that woudl prenst it as if most of it was all Bush oforting poeple, and gave the impression that was what he woudl ahve done all week….. That much for still tring to see soemthign real on the new one week after:( Your wish will happen without having to waste your oen wish on it: Bush is having his last term. The few words I heard him say were again so senseless, without any trace of any empathy, it is just an outrage and shame…  >  > ghost >  >> >> —

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Hi, I am new to this American politics -loneliness ng thing. But I just wanted to say that since this ng was lackign in diversity of topics, I tried the Four Suits Solitaire once more and made it. That means I can make a very special wish today or whenever I am ready. So many things to pick one wish from….. Any suggestions? What would YOU wish for would the wish be yours? —

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Eleonore Beaudoin wrote: > Hi, > I am new to this American politics -loneliness ng thing. > But I just wanted to say that since this ng was lackign in diversity of > topics, I tried the Four Suits Solitaire once more and made it. > That means I can make a very special wish today or whenever I am ready. > So many things to pick one wish from….. > Any suggestions? > What would YOU wish for would the wish be yours?

being a loneliness politicalk group, my wish would be for bush to step down plus the head one of fema. in reality, my wish is that lost loved ones and friends will be found safe people might not bring up politicks when talking about a disaster if they (me included) don’t watch cnn. cnn is famous for dragging in politicks when covering a disaster. ghost – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> —

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same? or different? or?

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August Pamplona <cosmic…@hotmail.com> in news:3mpf3gF17lb90U1@individual.net: >          Opposite is probably not good (despite aphorisms to the > contrary –then again the apropos aphorism just says they attract and > doesn’t say what happens after) and an identical twin is probably not > good either (particularly if you are very weird). My personal > inclination would be to seek weird people but not necessarily people > who are weird in exactly the same way as me (though, I am basically > speaking out of my ass on this one as I have no real experience to base > this recommendation to myself upon). > August Pamplona

that’s also my conclusion… adding (like other replies probably add) that the things in common are ‘core beliefs’ type things… political motivation, moral ideals… etc… the next is daily compatibilty… not snoring… bathing often enough (and adequately)… conversational style.. (patient and flexible… or snappish bossy loud… as contrasts) etc i’d say that a woman has good chances of compatibility with me if she shows up nude on my doorstep…  :>

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -lisa wrote: > It seems that when I was younger I was looking for someone "just like > me"; a person with the same hobbies, interests, political leanings, > musical tastes, ways of relating with the world, etc. > As time goes on, I’ve come to the realization that being on the lookout > for an "opposite sex twin" may have excluded many worthy for > consideration as partners.  Further, looking for a twin may even be > counter-productive, particularly if the ways I’ve chosen to interact > with the world are not the best. > Does this mean I should look for the opposite?  Or someone different > enough to be able to teach me something?  Or are these types of > questions unnecessary and it’s better to just go for the vibe on a > person, regardless of who/what/why they are? > rgds, > lisa

I am of the oppinion that the opposite sex mental "twin" would be good for me. Ofc i wouldn’t want them to be a copy of me, but someone who shares my core values, and has a similar personality (introverted, not ncessarily shy). Because i belive love is based on identifying with/understanding the other person (empathy). And ofc if someone is like you it’s a lot easier to understand their motivations, put yourself in their place, etc… basicly it’s easier to care. I’m not sure such a relationship is always the most "functional" so possibly as  you matture you begin to take that into consideration, but i belive it’s the most close/sincere kind. And if you think there’s something wrong in a partener "like you", then you’re probably going to go into an relationship from a position of inferiority seeing how you consider yourself below your own standards (so as far as you’re concerned the other person is not very lucky to be with you). "Opposites attract" sometimes too, but what people are often attracted to is the mystery of the other person, which is bound to disappear the more you get to actually know them. Not something you want to base a relationship on imo. That and ofc sexual differences between the two (physical but also mental) which are "sexy". But beneath it i belive it’s best if the two share the same values, have similar personalities, etc..

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It seems that when I was younger I was looking for someone "just like me"; a person with the same hobbies, interests, political leanings, musical tastes, ways of relating with the world, etc. As time goes on, I’ve come to the realization that being on the lookout for an "opposite sex twin" may have excluded many worthy for consideration as partners.  Further, looking for a twin may even be counter-productive, particularly if the ways I’ve chosen to interact with the world are not the best. Does this mean I should look for the opposite?  Or someone different enough to be able to teach me something?  Or are these types of questions unnecessary and it’s better to just go for the vibe on a person, regardless of who/what/why they are? rgds, lisa

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -lisa wrote: > It seems that when I was younger I was looking for someone "just like > me"; a person with the same hobbies, interests, political leanings, > musical tastes, ways of relating with the world, etc. > As time goes on, I’ve come to the realization that being on the lookout > for an "opposite sex twin" may have excluded many worthy for > consideration as partners.  Further, looking for a twin may even be > counter-productive, particularly if the ways I’ve chosen to interact > with the world are not the best. > Does this mean I should look for the opposite?  Or someone different > enough to be able to teach me something?  Or are these types of > questions unnecessary and it’s better to just go for the vibe on a > person, regardless of who/what/why they are? > rgds, > lisa

         Opposite is probably not good (despite aphorisms to the contrary –then again the apropos aphorism just says they attract and doesn’t say what happens after) and an identical twin is probably not good either (particularly if you are very weird). My personal inclination would be to seek weird people but not necessarily people who are weird in exactly the same way as me (though, I am basically speaking out of my ass on this one as I have no real experience to base this recommendation to myself upon). August Pamplona — Women bring men they like tasks in much the same way cats put dead mice on their owner’s pillows. – Lola on a.s.s. a.a. # 1811 apatriot #20 Eater of smut Proud member of the reality-based community. The address in this message’s ‘From’ field, in accordance with individual.net’s TOS, is real. However, almost all messages reaching this address are deleted without human intervention. In other words, if you e-mail me there, I will not receive your message. To make sure that e-mail messages actually reach me, make sure that my e-mail address is not hot.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -lisa wrote: > It seems that when I was younger I was looking for someone "just like > me"; a person with the same hobbies, interests, political leanings, > musical tastes, ways of relating with the world, etc. > As time goes on, I’ve come to the realization that being on the > lookout for an "opposite sex twin" may have excluded many worthy for > consideration as partners.  Further, looking for a twin may even be > counter-productive, particularly if the ways I’ve chosen to interact > with the world are not the best. > Does this mean I should look for the opposite?  Or someone different > enough to be able to teach me something?  Or are these types of > questions unnecessary and it’s better to just go for the vibe on a > person, regardless of who/what/why they are? > rgds, > lisa

look for someone you connect with. I think you have to have enough of the same interests and values to make it work. my x is an outgoing extrvert. we didnt have much in common. find someone you like just as they are and they like you just as you are.

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lisa wrote: > It seems that when I was younger I was looking for someone "just like > me"; a person with the same hobbies, interests, political leanings, > musical tastes, ways of relating with the world, etc…

Looking for and finding a partner with similar attitudes and worldviews is very reassuring. You know that there is a big probability that you would get along well. But that’s for attitudes and beliefs. However I find that having opposite personality traits is beneficial: complementarity. For example, if you’re shy then it would be good to have a courageous husband who would be able to take some positive action when needed, all for the good of the couple/family.

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Yeah, go for the vibe. My thoughts were that I’m in my own head 24 hours a day, why the hell would I want someone who was like me? KC

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"lisa" <ms_jade…@hotmail.com> wrote in news:1124566270.508724.256720 @g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: > It seems that when I was younger I was looking for someone "just like > me"; a person with the same hobbies, interests, political leanings, > musical tastes, ways of relating with the world, etc. > As time goes on, I’ve come to the realization that being on the lookout > for an "opposite sex twin" may have excluded many worthy for > consideration as partners.  Further, looking for a twin may even be > counter-productive, particularly if the ways I’ve chosen to interact > with the world are not the best. > Does this mean I should look for the opposite?  Or someone different > enough to be able to teach me something?  Or are these types of > questions unnecessary and it’s better to just go for the vibe on a > person, regardless of who/what/why they are?

Learn to be adaptable, and seek adaptable people.  You’re never going to find the perfect person who never annoys you, never pisses you off, is always "on" when you want and "off" when you want, etc.  Find someone willing to change some for you if you change some for them.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Lash Rambo wrote: > "lisa" <ms_jade…@hotmail.com> wrote in news:1124566270.508724.256720 > @g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: >>It seems that when I was younger I was looking for someone "just like >>me"; a person with the same hobbies, interests, political leanings, >>musical tastes, ways of relating with the world, etc. >>As time goes on, I’ve come to the realization that being on the lookout >>for an "opposite sex twin" may have excluded many worthy for >>consideration as partners.  Further, looking for a twin may even be >>counter-productive, particularly if the ways I’ve chosen to interact >>with the world are not the best. >>Does this mean I should look for the opposite?  Or someone different >>enough to be able to teach me something?  Or are these types of >>questions unnecessary and it’s better to just go for the vibe on a >>person, regardless of who/what/why they are? > Learn to be adaptable, and seek adaptable people.  You’re never going to > find the perfect person who never annoys you, never pisses you off, is > always "on" when you want and "off" when you want, etc.  Find someone > willing to change some for you if you change some for them.

          You could run into trouble with this depending on who is chenging who. Very big trouble. August Pamplona — Women bring men they like tasks in much the same way cats put dead mice on their owner’s pillows. – Lola on a.s.s. a.a. # 1811 apatriot #20 Eater of smut Proud member of the reality-based community. The address in this message’s ‘From’ field, in accordance with individual.net’s TOS, is real. However, almost all messages reaching this address are deleted without human intervention. In other words, if you e-mail me there, I will not receive your message. To make sure that e-mail messages actually reach me, make sure that my e-mail address is not hot.

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Complementary is probably better than the same. Differences can be good since it gives you a chance to be exposed to new things. Although the other person must show respect and some degree of appreciation for the others interests even if they aren’t exactly their cup of tea.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -August Pamplona wrote: > Lash Rambo wrote: > >"lisa" <ms_jade…@hotmail.com> wrote in > news:1124566270.508724.256720 > > @g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: > > > It seems that when I was younger I was looking for someone "just > > > like me"; a person with the same hobbies, interests, political > > > leanings, musical tastes, ways of relating with the world, etc. > > > As time goes on, I’ve come to the realization that being on the > > > lookout for an "opposite sex twin" may have excluded many worthy > > > for consideration as partners.  Further, looking for a twin may > > > even be counter-productive, particularly if the ways I’ve chosen > > > to interact with the world are not the best. > > > Does this mean I should look for the opposite?  Or someone > > > different enough to be able to teach me something?  Or are these > > > types of questions unnecessary and it’s better to just go for the > > > vibe on a person, regardless of who/what/why they are? > > Learn to be adaptable, and seek adaptable people.  You’re never > > going to  find the perfect person who never annoys you, never > > pisses you off, is  always "on" when you want and "off" when you > > want, etc.  Find someone  willing to change some for you if you > > change some for them. >         You could run into trouble with this depending on who is > chenging who. Very big trouble. > August Pamplona

true, you should find someone you have no desire to change and they don’t want to change you either. people who get along well tend to adapt to each other anyway.

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"Ms pnoopie Pnats" <dash…@noemaila.com> wrote in news:debh30$9ld$0 @pita.alt.net: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> August Pamplona wrote: >> Lash Rambo wrote: >> >"lisa" <ms_jade…@hotmail.com> wrote in >> news:1124566270.508724.256720 >> > @g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: >> > > It seems that when I was younger I was looking for someone "just >> > > like me"; a person with the same hobbies, interests, political >> > > leanings, musical tastes, ways of relating with the world, etc. >> > > As time goes on, I’ve come to the realization that being on the >> > > lookout for an "opposite sex twin" may have excluded many worthy >> > > for consideration as partners.  Further, looking for a twin may >> > > even be counter-productive, particularly if the ways I’ve chosen >> > > to interact with the world are not the best. >> > > Does this mean I should look for the opposite?  Or someone >> > > different enough to be able to teach me something?  Or are these >> > > types of questions unnecessary and it’s better to just go for the >> > > vibe on a person, regardless of who/what/why they are? >> > Learn to be adaptable, and seek adaptable people.  You’re never >> > going to  find the perfect person who never annoys you, never >> > pisses you off, is  always "on" when you want and "off" when you >> > want, etc.  Find someone  willing to change some for you if you >> > change some for them. >>         You could run into trouble with this depending on who is >> chenging who. Very big trouble. >> August Pamplona > true, you should find someone you have no desire to change and they > don’t want to change you either. > people who get along well tend to adapt to each other anyway.

Are you arguing both sides of the fence or what?

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August Pamplona <cosmic…@hotmail.com> wrote in news:3ms66fF18erdlU2@individual.net: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Lash Rambo wrote: >> "lisa" <ms_jade…@hotmail.com> wrote in >> news:1124566270.508724.256720 @g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: >>>It seems that when I was younger I was looking for someone "just like >>>me"; a person with the same hobbies, interests, political leanings, >>>musical tastes, ways of relating with the world, etc. >>>As time goes on, I’ve come to the realization that being on the >>>lookout for an "opposite sex twin" may have excluded many worthy for >>>consideration as partners.  Further, looking for a twin may even be >>>counter-productive, particularly if the ways I’ve chosen to interact >>>with the world are not the best. >>>Does this mean I should look for the opposite?  Or someone different >>>enough to be able to teach me something?  Or are these types of >>>questions unnecessary and it’s better to just go for the vibe on a >>>person, regardless of who/what/why they are? >> Learn to be adaptable, and seek adaptable people.  You’re never going >> to find the perfect person who never annoys you, never pisses you >> off, is always "on" when you want and "off" when you want, etc.  Find >> someone willing to change some for you if you change some for them. >           You could run into trouble with this depending on who is > chenging who. Very big trouble.

Each changes some things for the other.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Lash Rambo wrote: > August Pamplona <cosmic…@hotmail.com> wrote in > news:3ms66fF18erdlU2@individual.net: >>Lash Rambo wrote: >>>"lisa" <ms_jade…@hotmail.com> wrote in >>>news:1124566270.508724.256720 @g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: >>>>It seems that when I was younger I was looking for someone "just like >>>>me"; a person with the same hobbies, interests, political leanings, >>>>musical tastes, ways of relating with the world, etc. >>>>As time goes on, I’ve come to the realization that being on the >>>>lookout for an "opposite sex twin" may have excluded many worthy for >>>>consideration as partners.  Further, looking for a twin may even be >>>>counter-productive, particularly if the ways I’ve chosen to interact >>>>with the world are not the best. >>>>Does this mean I should look for the opposite?  Or someone different >>>>enough to be able to teach me something?  Or are these types of >>>>questions unnecessary and it’s better to just go for the vibe on a >>>>person, regardless of who/what/why they are? >>>Learn to be adaptable, and seek adaptable people.  You’re never going >>>to find the perfect person who never annoys you, never pisses you >>>off, is always "on" when you want and "off" when you want, etc.  Find >>>someone willing to change some for you if you change some for them. >>          You could run into trouble with this depending on who is >>chenging who. Very big trouble. > Each changes some things for the other.

         You know what I’m talking about. The whole stereotype of marrying someone with the expectation of fixing various flaws. This scenario almost never works. In the stereotypical woman trying to change her man scenario, she becomes a nagging harpy and when he, predictably, responds by becoming even more recalcitrant it becomes a mutually reinforcing positive feedback loop from hell.          Of course, the situation where changes that were implemented for the sake of optimizing success in the mate acquisition stage become discarded when the commitment to the relationship becomes formalized can also happen. August Pamplona — Women bring men they like tasks in much the same way cats put dead mice on their owner’s pillows. – Lola on a.s.s. a.a. # 1811 apatriot #20 Eater of smut Proud member of the reality-based community. The address in this message’s ‘From’ field, in accordance with individual.net’s TOS, is real. However, almost all messages reaching this address are deleted without human intervention. In other words, if you e-mail me there, I will not receive your message. To make sure that e-mail messages actually reach me, make sure that my e-mail address is not hot.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Lash Rambo wrote: > "lisa" <ms_jade…@hotmail.com> wrote in news:1124566270.508724.256720 > @g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: >>It seems that when I was younger I was looking for someone "just like >>me"; a person with the same hobbies, interests, political leanings, >>musical tastes, ways of relating with the world, etc. >>As time goes on, I’ve come to the realization that being on the lookout >>for an "opposite sex twin" may have excluded many worthy for >>consideration as partners.  Further, looking for a twin may even be >>counter-productive, particularly if the ways I’ve chosen to interact >>with the world are not the best. >>Does this mean I should look for the opposite?  Or someone different >>enough to be able to teach me something?  Or are these types of >>questions unnecessary and it’s better to just go for the vibe on a >>person, regardless of who/what/why they are? > Learn to be adaptable, and seek adaptable people.  You’re never going to > find the perfect person who never annoys you, never pisses you off, is > always "on" when you want and "off" when you want, etc.  Find someone > willing to change some for you if you change some for them.

Better yet, find someone you like the way they are, and who can tolerate you, foibles and all. If you have a basic foundation of being able to stand each other’s company day in and day out, then you may even gradually find each other dropping annoying habits… but even if that doesn’t happen you won’t end up miserable or in divorce court. Don’t bank on anyone changing for you, ever. — -=Lola Each of you has so much magnetic personality that iron-rich meteorites from distant galaxies are being pulled toward the earth, ensuring the total annihilation of future generations who, I think you’ll agree, have it coming. (Scott Adams)

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Ollie wrote: > Complementary is probably better than the same.

Complementary is by definition a good thing (it means something that interoperates well with another thing).  In reality you probably only achieve ‘partial complementarity’, though. > Differences can be good > since it gives you a chance to be exposed to new things. Although the > other person must show respect and some degree of appreciation for the > others interests even if they aren’t exactly their cup of tea.

Generally speaking, I’ve gotten along best with people who had some similarity to me, but not *too* much.  So, i.e., I’ve gotten along well with other IT people, but not with other hardass anal-retentive geeks.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Dolores wrote: > Lash Rambo wrote: > >"lisa" <ms_jade…@hotmail.com> wrote in > news:1124566270.508724.256720 > > @g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: > > > It seems that when I was younger I was looking for someone "just > > > like me"; a person with the same hobbies, interests, political > > > leanings, musical tastes, ways of relating with the world, etc. > > > As time goes on, I’ve come to the realization that being on the > > > lookout for an "opposite sex twin" may have excluded many worthy > > > for consideration as partners.  Further, looking for a twin may > > > even be counter-productive, particularly if the ways I’ve chosen > > > to interact with the world are not the best. > > > Does this mean I should look for the opposite?  Or someone > > > different enough to be able to teach me something?  Or are these > > > types of questions unnecessary and it’s better to just go for the > > > vibe on a person, regardless of who/what/why they are? > > Learn to be adaptable, and seek adaptable people.  You’re never > > going to  find the perfect person who never annoys you, never > > pisses you off, is  always "on" when you want and "off" when you > > want, etc.  Find someone  willing to change some for you if you > > change some for them. > Better yet, find someone you like the way they are, and who can > tolerate you, foibles and all. If you have a basic foundation of > being able to stand each other’s company day in and day out, then you > may even gradually find each other dropping annoying habits… but > even if that doesn’t happen you won’t end up miserable or in divorce > court. > Don’t bank on anyone changing for you, ever.

agreed!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Lash Rambo wrote: > "Ms pnoopie Pnats" <dash…@noemaila.com> wrote in news:debh30$9ld$0 > @pita.alt.net: > > August Pamplona wrote: > >> Lash Rambo wrote: > >> >"lisa" <ms_jade…@hotmail.com> wrote in > >> news:1124566270.508724.256720 > >> > @g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: > >> > > It seems that when I was younger I was looking for someone > "just >> > > like me"; a person with the same hobbies, interests, > political >> > > leanings, musical tastes, ways of relating with the > world, etc.  >> > > > >> > > As time goes on, I’ve come to the realization that being on the > >> > > lookout for an "opposite sex twin" may have excluded many > worthy >> > > for consideration as partners.  Further, looking for a > twin may >> > > even be counter-productive, particularly if the ways > I’ve chosen >> > > to interact with the world are not the best. > >> > > Does this mean I should look for the opposite?  Or someone > >> > > different enough to be able to teach me something?  Or are > these >> > > types of questions unnecessary and it’s better to just > go for the >> > > vibe on a person, regardless of who/what/why they > are?  >> > > >> > Learn to be adaptable, and seek adaptable people.  You’re never > >> > going to  find the perfect person who never annoys you, never > >> > pisses you off, is  always "on" when you want and "off" when you > >> > want, etc.  Find someone  willing to change some for you if you > >> > change some for them. > >>         You could run into trouble with this depending on who is > >> chenging who. Very big trouble. > >> August Pamplona > > true, you should find someone you have no desire to change and they > > don’t want to change you either. > > people who get along well tend to adapt to each other anyway. > Are you arguing both sides of the fence or what?

no, its the same thing dolores said.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -August Pamplona wrote: > Ms pnoopie Pnats wrote: > > August Pamplona wrote: > > > Lash Rambo wrote: > >>>August Pamplona <cosmic…@hotmail.com> wrote in > > > > news:3ms66fF18erdlU2@individual.net: > > > > > Lash Rambo wrote: > >>>>>"lisa" <ms_jade…@hotmail.com> wrote in > > > > > > news:1124566270.508724.256720 @g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: > > > > > > > It seems that when I was younger I was looking for someone > > > > > > > "just like me"; a person with the same hobbies, interests, > > > > > > > political leanings, musical tastes, ways of relating with > > > > > > > the world, etc. > > > > > > > As time goes on, I’ve come to the realization that being > > > > > > > on the lookout for an "opposite sex twin" may have > > > > > > > excluded many worthy for consideration as partners. > > > > > > > Further, looking for a twin may even be > > > > > > > counter-productive, particularly if the ways I’ve chosen > > > > > > > to interact with the world are not the best. > > > > > > > Does this mean I should look for the opposite?  Or someone > > > > > > > different enough to be able to teach me something?  Or are > > > > > > > these types of questions unnecessary and it’s better to > > > > > > > just go for the vibe on a person, regardless of > > > > > > > who/what/why they are? > > > > > > Learn to be adaptable, and seek adaptable people.  You’re > > > > > > never going to find the perfect person who never annoys > > > > > > you, never pisses you off, is always "on" when you want and > > > > > > "off" when you want, etc.  Find someone willing to change > > > > > > some for you if you change some for them. > >>>>      You could run into trouble with this depending on who is > > > chenging who. Very big trouble. > > > > Each changes some things for the other. > >>  You know what I’m talking about. The whole stereotype of marrying > > > someone with the expectation of fixing various flaws. This > > > scenario almost never works. In the stereotypical woman trying to > > > change her man scenario, she becomes a nagging harpy and when he, > > > predictably, responds by becoming even more recalcitrant it > > > becomes a mutually reinforcing positive feedback loop from hell. > >>    Of course, the situation where changes that were implemented for > > > the sake of optimizing success in the mate acquisition stage > > > become discarded when the commitment to the relationship becomes > > > formalized can also happen. > > > August Pamplona > > yeah and this happens all the time. and men can be harping nags too. >        That was just a stereotypical example. I did not mean to imply > that that’s the only way in which that scenario plays out. > August Pamplona

thats ok

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Ms pnoopie Pnats wrote: > August Pamplona wrote: >>Lash Rambo wrote: >>>August Pamplona <cosmic…@hotmail.com> wrote in >>>news:3ms66fF18erdlU2@individual.net:   >>>>Lash Rambo wrote: >>>>>"lisa" <ms_jade…@hotmail.com> wrote in >>>>>news:1124566270.508724.256720 @g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: >>>>>>It seems that when I was younger I was looking for someone >>>>>>"just like me"; a person with the same hobbies, interests, >>>>>>political leanings, musical tastes, ways of relating with the >>>>>>world, etc. >>>>>>As time goes on, I’ve come to the realization that being on >>>>>>the lookout for an "opposite sex twin" may have excluded many >>>>>>worthy for consideration as partners.  Further, looking for a >>>>>>twin may even be counter-productive, particularly if the ways >>>>>>I’ve chosen to interact with the world are not the best. >>>>>>Does this mean I should look for the opposite?  Or someone >>>>>>different enough to be able to teach me something?  Or are >>>>>>these types of questions unnecessary and it’s better to just >>>>>>go for the vibe on a person, regardless of who/what/why they >>>>>>are? >>>>>Learn to be adaptable, and seek adaptable people.  You’re never >>>>>going to find the perfect person who never annoys you, never >>>>>pisses you off, is always "on" when you want and "off" when you >>>>>want, etc.  Find someone willing to change some for you if you >>>>>change some for them. >>>>       You could run into trouble with this depending on who is >>chenging who. Very big trouble. >>>Each changes some things for the other. >>   You know what I’m talking about. The whole stereotype of marrying >>someone with the expectation of fixing various flaws. This scenario >>almost never works. In the stereotypical woman trying to change her >>man scenario, she becomes a nagging harpy and when he, predictably, >>responds by becoming even more recalcitrant it becomes a mutually >>reinforcing positive feedback loop from hell. >>     Of course, the situation where changes that were implemented for >>the sake of optimizing success in the mate acquisition stage become >>discarded when the commitment to the relationship becomes formalized >>can also happen. >>August Pamplona > yeah and this happens all the time. and men can be harping nags too.

         That was just a stereotypical example. I did not mean to imply that that’s the only way in which that scenario plays out. August Pamplona — Women bring men they like tasks in much the same way cats put dead mice on their owner’s pillows. – Lola on a.s.s. a.a. # 1811 apatriot #20 Eater of smut Proud member of the reality-based community. The address in this message’s ‘From’ field, in accordance with individual.net’s TOS, is real. However, almost all messages reaching this address are deleted without human intervention. In other words, if you e-mail me there, I will not receive your message. To make sure that e-mail messages actually reach me, make sure that my e-mail address is not hot.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -August Pamplona wrote: > Lash Rambo wrote: > >August Pamplona <cosmic…@hotmail.com> wrote in > > news:3ms66fF18erdlU2@individual.net:   > > > Lash Rambo wrote: > >>>"lisa" <ms_jade…@hotmail.com> wrote in > > > > news:1124566270.508724.256720 @g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: > > > > > It seems that when I was younger I was looking for someone > > > > > "just like me"; a person with the same hobbies, interests, > > > > > political leanings, musical tastes, ways of relating with the > > > > > world, etc. > > > > > As time goes on, I’ve come to the realization that being on > > > > > the lookout for an "opposite sex twin" may have excluded many > > > > > worthy for consideration as partners.  Further, looking for a > > > > > twin may even be counter-productive, particularly if the ways > > > > > I’ve chosen to interact with the world are not the best. > > > > > Does this mean I should look for the opposite?  Or someone > > > > > different enough to be able to teach me something?  Or are > > > > > these types of questions unnecessary and it’s better to just > > > > > go for the vibe on a person, regardless of who/what/why they > > > > > are? > > > > Learn to be adaptable, and seek adaptable people.  You’re never > > > > going to find the perfect person who never annoys you, never > > > > pisses you off, is always "on" when you want and "off" when you > > > > want, etc.  Find someone willing to change some for you if you > > > > change some for them. > >>        You could run into trouble with this depending on who is > chenging who. Very big trouble. > > Each changes some things for the other. >    You know what I’m talking about. The whole stereotype of marrying > someone with the expectation of fixing various flaws. This scenario > almost never works. In the stereotypical woman trying to change her > man scenario, she becomes a nagging harpy and when he, predictably, > responds by becoming even more recalcitrant it becomes a mutually > reinforcing positive feedback loop from hell. >      Of course, the situation where changes that were implemented for > the sake of optimizing success in the mate acquisition stage become > discarded when the commitment to the relationship becomes formalized > can also happen. > August Pamplona

yeah and this happens all the time. and men can be harping nags too.

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This Is The Way To Handle Rebellious Women

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Man shoots, kills wife during breakup By Tom Gibb, Post-Gazette Staff Writer CLAYSBURG, Pa. — It was the day after their 24th anniversary. But instead of celebrating their marriage, Mickey and Sherri Dively were getting ready to break up — she packing her belongings, he packing a loaded .38-caliber revolver. In a confrontation just outside their Blair County home Monday afternoon,machinery company executive Dively argued with his wife, hit her and then,as two of her friends ran for safety, fatally shot her in the chest,investigators said yesterday. Dively’s lawyer portrayed his client yesterday as an ailing man, with heartproblems and a transplanted kidney, who never meant to kill. *nice. she decides to desert him when he’s ill, she must have forgot that part about, in sickness and in health "It wasn’t intentional," defense lawyer Thomas Dickey of Altoona said. "It’s not murder … it might be some form of manslaughter." But Blair County District Attorney David Gorman said he thought he could prove first-degree murder. *he’s having pipe dreams lol Meanwhile, Dively sat in Blair County prison, denied the chance to post bail, charged with criminal homicide, aggravated assault and recklessly endangering other people for opening fire near the two friends who came to help his wife pack. * he’s entitled to reasonable bail he hasn’t been convicted of any crime. Besides, with a kidney transplant he should be in a hospital. Not a jail hospital. The Divelys — both 44, just two weeks apart in age — grew up together in this part of Blair County, four miles from the slopes of Blue Knob Ski Resort. They have a daughter, now grown and living in Florida. By his lawyer’s account, Dively was a man who had never been in trouble, an executive with the Bedford branch of machinery maker Kennametal Inc. He told police, though, that his wife left him "a few weeks ago," according to the arrest affidavit. Monday, Gorman said, Sherri Dively went to the house with friends Marci Cameron and John Archdeacon to retrieve her belongings. After they almost had loaded a van and a pickup truck, Mickey Dively arrived home, and the confrontation began, Gorman said. * she should have spoken to her husband alone and made some arrangement. Including other people can only incite a person especially when they try toclean the place out while the husband is at work

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And another inspiring tale. This one is truly wonderful because a lawyer dies : )    : Man kills wife, lawyer, self Posted Fri, 21 Jan 2005 A 41-year-old man shot dead his wife and lawyer and then turned the gun on himself outside the Hillbrow Magistrate’s Court on Friday morning, Johannesburg police said. Ian Dene Rajad and his wife Monera Khan (30), were on their way to file divorce papers at the court around 10am when Rajad pulled out a gun and shot dead his wife and lawyer, C Bouwer (36), police spokesperson Constable Sefako Xaba said.

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"the modern female's inept attitude reveals itself in the world of online dating"

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Pumpkinhead wrote: > "Lash Rambo" <l…@fakeaddr.com> wrote in message > news:Xns968F9026FF89Blrfakeaddrcom@68.1.17.6… >>"Pumpkinhead" <pumpkin_head060…@hotmail.com> wrote in >>news:UgcAe.28436$y86.11569@newsfe1-win.ntli.net: >>>The text after the dotted line was originally posted by someone else >>>at another forum. >>>_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ >>>Then I would always use the ‘looking for a job’ analogy. I’d ask them, >>>if you were looking for a job would you just settle for what comes to >>>you? Or would you INITIATE and empower yourself to put the word out to >>>potential employers? >>>9 times out of 10 they would say "that’s different. work and dating >>>are two different things". >>It IS different.  Men and women are equal resources in the job >>market–they >>both bring to the table the same capacity to work.  This is not so in the >>"sexual market."  A man has a far greater capacity for spreading his genes >>than a woman.  He’s capable of impregnating a few women a day at very >>little energy expendature, while she’s capable of having maybe one or two >>babies every nine months at immense energy expendature. >>The women who said "that’s different" were likely consciously aware of >>other, mostly cultural reasons, but those reasons trace back to simple >>biology. > o.k.  You spotted a possible difference.  But I don’t see how it gives women > a reason to only be interested in men who show interest in them first.  I’m > sure I could argue that this difference even gives women a reason to put in > more effort and go as far as making the first move.

         How so? In the online dating services arena, due to the way the system works (in great part because males tend to greatly outnumber females), all women have to do is sit back and wait for messages to come and they can afford to be selective with those. In the workplace, the employer has the role equivalent to the "female" using online dating services. As to women searching for employment, perhaps if lots of, apparently, high quality employers would simply come to women they would indeed behave in the same way as women behave in online dating services. In fact, in the arena of searching for employment, women are just another guy and employers do not show up at their doorsteps. IOW, as Lash Rambo has pointed out it _is_ different.          The question you should be asking, instead, is why employers don’t behave as women do in online dating services. Of course, the answer to that is that with few exceptions (head-hunted CEO’s and jobs which require exceedingly rare expertise), they actually do behave in this way. August Pamplona — Women bring men they like tasks in much the same way cats put dead mice on their owner’s pillows. – Lola on a.s.s. a.a. # 1811 apatriot #20 Eater of smut Proud member of the reality-based community. The address in this message’s ‘From’ field, in accordance with individual.net’s TOS, is real. However, almost all messages reaching this address are deleted without human intervention. In other words, if you e-mail me there, I will not receive your message. To make sure that e-mail messages actually reach me, make sure that my e-mail address is not hot.

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Jim Winters wrote: > > Hi Dan, > > I really thought about what u said last night and realized that SOME of what > > u said was accurate. I have been putting off a lot of things (like finding a > > good man). U were right when u said that toronto women fill up their schedule > > with lots of things and leave no time for what they really want. > (to the tune of Mr. Roboto) > Nuke the fucking shit right out of Toronto > Nuke the fucking shit right out of Toronto > Nuke the fucking shit right out of Toronto > Nuke the fucking shit right out of Toronto

Having lived in Toronto for a few years, I would agree with this sentiment.  "Taranna" is the cleanest, politest, greenest cesspool of filthy humanity I’ve ever seen.

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news:3kir9aFud3ngU1@individual.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Pumpkinhead wrote: >> "Lash Rambo" <l…@fakeaddr.com> wrote in message >> news:Xns968F9026FF89Blrfakeaddrcom@68.1.17.6… >>>"Pumpkinhead" <pumpkin_head060…@hotmail.com> wrote in >>>news:UgcAe.28436$y86.11569@newsfe1-win.ntli.net: >>>>The text after the dotted line was originally posted by someone else >>>>at another forum. >>>>_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ >>>>Then I would always use the ‘looking for a job’ analogy. I’d ask them, >>>>if you were looking for a job would you just settle for what comes to >>>>you? Or would you INITIATE and empower yourself to put the word out to >>>>potential employers? >>>>9 times out of 10 they would say "that’s different. work and dating >>>>are two different things". >>>It IS different.  Men and women are equal resources in the job >>>market–they >>>both bring to the table the same capacity to work.  This is not so in the >>>"sexual market."  A man has a far greater capacity for spreading his >>>genes >>>than a woman.  He’s capable of impregnating a few women a day at very >>>little energy expendature, while she’s capable of having maybe one or two >>>babies every nine months at immense energy expendature. >>>The women who said "that’s different" were likely consciously aware of >>>other, mostly cultural reasons, but those reasons trace back to simple >>>biology. >> o.k.  You spotted a possible difference.  But I don’t see how it gives >> women a reason to only be interested in men who show interest in them >> first.  I’m sure I could argue that this difference even gives women a >> reason to put in more effort and go as far as making the first move. >         How so? In the online dating services arena, due to the way the > system works (in great part because males tend to greatly outnumber > females), all women have to do is sit back and wait for messages to come > and they can afford to be selective with those. In the workplace, the > employer has the role equivalent to the "female" using online dating > services. As to women searching for employment, perhaps if lots of, > apparently, high quality employers would simply come to women they would > indeed behave in the same way as women behave in online dating services. > In fact, in the arena of searching for employment, women are just another > guy and employers do not show up at their doorsteps. IOW, as Lash Rambo > has pointed out it _is_ different.

The difference that was mentioned is that men are more able to spread their genes.  Why should a woman limit her choice in mate to those men who show interest in her first?  I need to be convinced that the fact that men are more able to spread their genes is a suitable reason. A man who initiates a relationship is not necessarily going to be a better mate. I guess it’s all about being in demand.  And it seems like women are in more demand by men that men are by women.  We could replace "in more demand" with "more valued".  I don’t think it’s right that men value women more than women value men.  I want balance.

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"MrWigglesworth" <mrwigglesworth2…@nospam.hotmail.com> in news:2fdb83c8926c346ffe8d0ef5540fee7a@localhost.talkaboutsupport.com: >>Describing a female bartender as a "barmaid" is >like calling a female >>college student a "co-ed". > That’s why I call them "beer wenches".

you call female college students  "beer wenches"?  "beer wenches" doesn’t sound very german to me… but maybe i’ve seen to many octoberfest scenes in movies… so what alt name do you use for female college students? — http://www.craigslist.org/eby/dmg/85587832.html http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aweb.morons.org+%22Busy+Box%22 someday these guys will threaten to Think Outside Of The Box http://www.agileadvice.com/ hah? http://www.google.com/search?q=algorythms http://www.google.com/search?q=%22snot+algae%22 http://www.google.com/search?q=elephant-snot+professionals+%7C+%7Eate http://newrecruit.org/archives/2005/may/googlekeyhole#reply30872

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>you call female college students  "beer wenches"? >"beer wenches" doesn’t sound very german to me… >but maybe i’ve seen to >many octoberfest scenes in movies…

Who said I was German? >so what alt name do you use for female college >students?

Don’t be silly.  Women don’t study.  They are too busy ironing my work shirts and fetching my beer.

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In news:dbmr5e0k1a@drn.newsguy.com, GoddessBaybee <goddessbay…@yahoo.com> wrote : – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> In article <42da78a4$0$24316$626a1…@news.free.fr>, F

To burn my heart

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To burn my heart…

Acid reflux is a terrible thing. J. Del Col

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Please see the fantabulous article in OLE POETRY FOR 21st CENTURY PRAGMATIC APPLICATION in which I rationalize in characteristic pure banality how "good fences make good neighbors," the harsh, frosty, bottomline has not exactly been demonstrated around the West Bank & Gaza. The following incongruent, profoundly shallow analysis is taken from MORE RANCID EXPLANATIONS FOR THE POETRY-CHALLENGED by your semi-wit of letters: To burn my heart out for my love Each day, each night, each dawn, each evening To seek the treasures up above And conquer all that is deceiving <Suggestive of a love note To burn my heart out every day And in the night it to replenish Means catching forces as they play And making them serve what I cherish <reinforces profession of luv Burn, my heart, burn: You’re still alive Embrace the essence of each minute From it eternity derive

And find all that’s contained within it <Divorce papers served tomorrow…not Bring it to sunlight, make it bloom, Twist past and future into present Make it eternity consume And let it blossom, iridescent <A botanical metaphor or simile In minute – tear it, mold it, burn Fill it with incandescent passion Make it scream shattered; make it yearn For rapture – give it a concussion <Say it quickly & loudly with glassy flowers, not exactly copyrighted by Florist Telegraph Delivery 1933 That it would break and spill its core And, broken, blend into forever – My heart! Beat faster, I implore And every minute do dissever: <Dr. Michael DeBakey, please call your answeing service Course time like lifeblood through my veins, Wring truth from it and make it feed me Flush out the rest – all that remains – And make truth bleed – yes, make it bleed me <truth corpusles Until I’m dry and, like dry wood, I burn with passion of the minute For all that’s true, for all that’s good, And for love as my eyes have seen <won’t smoke like wet wood

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To burn my heart out for my love Each day, each night, each dawn, each evening To seek the treasures up above And conquer all that is deceiving To burn my heart out every day And in the night it to replenish Means catching forces as they play And making them serve what I cherish. Burn, my heart, burn: You’re still alive Embrace the essence of each minute From it eternity derive

And find all that’s contained within it Bring it to sunlight, make it bloom, Twist past and future into present Make it eternity consume And let it blossom, iridescent. In minute – tear it, mold it, burn Fill it with incandescent passion Make it scream shattered; make it yearn For rapture – give it a concussion That it would break and spill its core And, broken, blend into forever – My heart! Beat faster, I implore And every minute do dissever: Course time like lifeblood through my veins, Wring truth from it and make it feed me Flush out the rest – all that remains – And make truth bleed – yes, make it bleed me – Until I’m dry and, like dry wood, I burn with passion of the minute For all that’s true, for all that’s good, And for love as my eyes have seen it. Ilya Shambat.

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Too soon old, too late smart…

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Carl Haffler wrote: > RAS <rst…@rocketmail.com> wrote in news:s5OdnQUtCNkcXyXfRVn-iA@rcn.net: >>Too much lost, nowhere to turn. No future, only a past of mistakes and >>screwups… wrong choices, wrong women, wrong life. Hating myself, my >>life, my cheating wife. Hating everything. Life is worthless. Death >>cannot come soon enough. > (Entering alt.romance mode) > If you have a problem with being cheated on it’s because you’re uptight and > repressed and immature. You just don’t appreciate that your ex-wife was a > deep, spirited, liberated individual and you have a lot of growing up to > do, loser. > (Exitiing alt.romance mode) > Hey, man, you’re still doing better than I am.

Yes, I am doing a hell of a lot better than you are. At least I have the intelligence to know that lying and screwing around isn’t right.

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RAS <rst…@rocketmail.com> wrote in news:bdmdnZmLUcjfYiXfRVn-pA@rcn.net: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Mad Mambo Master of Macedonia wrote: >> RAS <rst…@rocketmail.com> wrote in >> news:n_mdnZUdTa48aiXfRVn-1A@rcn.net: >>>John Effty wrote: >>>>"RAS" <rst…@rocketmail.com> wrote in message >>>>news:17ydnYFG5c1XSiXfRVn-iw@rcn.net… >>>>>Ear Disorder Person wrote: >>>>>>RAS wrote: >>>>>>>Too much lost, nowhere to turn. No future, only a past of mistakes >>>>>>>and screwups… wrong choices, wrong women, wrong life. Hating >>>>>>>myself, my life, my cheating wife. Hating everything. Life is >>>>>>>worthless. Death cannot come soon enough. >>>>>>Do you have a job? >>>>>Yep, 45-50 hours a week. What good is a job, when you’ve lost >>>>>everything that was worth working for? >>>>A lot of people in your position become workaholics.  You could try >>>>that for a while.  At least it passes the time before death.  Then, >>>>if you do manage to save up some money you could go to Vegas and blow >>>>it all on craps and whores. >>>>Just a thought. >>>>-John >>>Lol! But, shucks, John, as a born again Christian, I guess the whores >>>would be out of the question. (See, us Christians can have a sense of >>>humor!). Aw, craps! >> Have you tried Ba’al? Sounds like your current god isn’t really getting >> the job done. > Get thee behind me, satan! No, I have no interest in a false god. I am > sure of God, I am just not sure of myself.

Based on the Book of Job, I really don’t see what the difference is between God & Satan. — "…disassemble — that means not tell the truth. And so it was an absurd report. It just is." {[Reporter] You’re worried, sir, that you’re losing some of your push?} " I don’t worry about anything here in Washington, D.C" –Curious George, 5/31/05.

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"Ear Disorder Person" <nevilemo…@yahoo.com> wrote in message … > RAS wrote: >> Too much lost, nowhere to turn. No future, only a past of mistakes and >> screwups… wrong choices, wrong women, wrong life. Hating myself, my >> life, my cheating wife. Hating everything. Life is worthless. Death >> cannot come soon enough. > Do you have a job?

After the posts about impending doom at the workplace and about receiving letters of portent, a guy sure can read a lot into a question like this… disraeli

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -RAS (rst…@rocketmail.com) writes: > Carl Haffler wrote: >> RAS <rst…@rocketmail.com> wrote in news:s5OdnQUtCNkcXyXfRVn-iA@rcn.net: >>>Too much lost, nowhere to turn. No future, only a past of mistakes and >>>screwups… wrong choices, wrong women, wrong life. Hating myself, my >>>life, my cheating wife. Hating everything. Life is worthless. Death >>>cannot come soon enough. >> (Entering alt.romance mode) >> If you have a problem with being cheated on it’s because you’re uptight and >> repressed and immature. You just don’t appreciate that your ex-wife was a >> deep, spirited, liberated individual and you have a lot of growing up to >> do, loser. >> (Exitiing alt.romance mode) >> Hey, man, you’re still doing better than I am. > Yes, I am doing a hell of a lot better than you are. At least I have the > intelligence to know that lying and screwing around isn’t right.

I think the person was just, tongue in cheek, mocking the too fast judgements given on some ngs…;-) —

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Mad Mambo Master of Macedonia (n…@newb.com) writes: > RAS <rst…@rocketmail.com> wrote in news:4vqdnWHRBdY8yCTfRVn-1A@rcn.net: >>  Left me for the >> barroom to bedroom life 19 months ago. >> I believe the full moon was last night. > In the long run you’ll be better off (cold comfort). > FWIW, from a certain perspective, *every* decision is the wrong one.   > There’s no right or wrong, only better or worse, since we only have one > outcome (our own lives) we really can *never* know whether we made a better   > or worse one.

Very well said. But it does not make it so we never have momets of feeling lost and confused, unfocussed. Take me for instance;-):):) 19 months, RAS? Maybe then this sort of confusion or restlessness about "wat now?" is a good thing. Perhaps you now are really getting over the pain of the loss of what you worked for so hard, and now are gradually enterign the enxt stage: what now, i.e. slowly learnign what is out there and how you feel about this and that that life still has to offer. I think the three eyars transition ifs a fair average. Course does not mean it stays as yuk during the entire thre years then poof, gets all better the day after the 36 months of adaptation are over. But I;d say there is a good year or two in the heay breakups/seperations/diovorce that are usually the toughest, and then gradually get better month after month. Hang in there. Me thinks that without your realizing it, the wrse is now behind you. Soemtiems the unknown feels as bad or scary…. Until we rememebr it is unknown, i.e. we do not KNOW if it will be as bad or as scary, and anythign feels worse tha staying on the same stagnant spot for the rest of our live, after all:) Give Time the time to take its time….. Me thinks you are doing okay, all considered.  (Add necessary qualifications here…that time I played with > the doomsday device I found in the attic was almost certainly wrong, that’s > a given.  But generally…)

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"Mad Mambo Master of Macedonia" <n…@newb.com> wrote in message news:Xns967D530315930newbnewbcom@68.6.19.6… > RAS <rst…@rocketmail.com> wrote in news:bdmdnZmLUcjfYiXfRVn-pA@rcn.net: > Based on the Book of Job, I really don’t see what the difference is > between God & Satan.

Satan is the one with the hideous laughter.  God is the one with the shiny paint. God peed on Job because it was good for Job.  Job needed some peein’ on to give him character.  Satan probably wouldn’t pee on anyone unless there was something in it for Satan, see?  God’s pee and Satan’s pee may taste exactly the same when they are trickling down yer face, but only one puts hair on your chest. -John

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Eleonore Beaudoin wrote: > RAS (rst…@rocketmail.com) writes: >>Carl Haffler wrote: >>>RAS <rst…@rocketmail.com> wrote in news:s5OdnQUtCNkcXyXfRVn-iA@rcn.net: >>>>Too much lost, nowhere to turn. No future, only a past of mistakes and >>>>screwups… wrong choices, wrong women, wrong life. Hating myself, my >>>>life, my cheating wife. Hating everything. Life is worthless. Death >>>>cannot come soon enough. >>>(Entering alt.romance mode) >>>If you have a problem with being cheated on it’s because you’re uptight and >>>repressed and immature. You just don’t appreciate that your ex-wife was a >>>deep, spirited, liberated individual and you have a lot of growing up to >>>do, loser. >>>(Exitiing alt.romance mode) >>>Hey, man, you’re still doing better than I am. >>Yes, I am doing a hell of a lot better than you are. At least I have the >>intelligence to know that lying and screwing around isn’t right. > I think the person was just, tongue in cheek, mocking the too fast > judgements given on some ngs…;-) > —

Perhaps you’re right. I just don’t take it lightly; it isn’t a pleasant thing, being lied to, and cheated on.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Eleonore Beaudoin wrote: > RAS (rst…@rocketmail.com) writes: >>Carl Haffler wrote: >>>RAS <rst…@rocketmail.com> wrote in news:s5OdnQUtCNkcXyXfRVn-iA@rcn.net: >>>>Too much lost, nowhere to turn. No future, only a past of mistakes and >>>>screwups… wrong choices, wrong women, wrong life. Hating myself, my >>>>life, my cheating wife. Hating everything. Life is worthless. Death >>>>cannot come soon enough. >>>(Entering alt.romance mode) >>>If you have a problem with being cheated on it’s because you’re uptight and >>>repressed and immature. You just don’t appreciate that your ex-wife was a >>>deep, spirited, liberated individual and you have a lot of growing up to >>>do, loser. >>>(Exitiing alt.romance mode) >>>Hey, man, you’re still doing better than I am. >>Yes, I am doing a hell of a lot better than you are. At least I have the >>intelligence to know that lying and screwing around isn’t right. > I think the person was just, tongue in cheek, mocking the too fast > judgements given on some ngs…;-) > —

Perhaps you’re right. I just don’t take cheating and lying lightly; it hurts too much, when you’re on the short end of the deal.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Eleonore Beaudoin wrote: > A guy edescribing himself as a christian, once was moving. > He asked for help in a moving support ng. Only one person answered the > call, and offered to go help him move. > The morning of the move, the stranger, who had not claimed to be a > christian, arrived at the man’s house as he said he would, to help him move. > The self-claimed christian opened the door, and the other, eager to help, > and to maybe meet a new friend, fast walked in; so doing, he tripped and > went landing head first in a sumptuous collection of gold plated bible verses, > each carefully placed by its verse number. > Our helper, trying to catch his balance, inadvertantly grabbed the corner > of the verses display, which gave way under his weight, as he landed head > first in a wall where a 3X8 foot crucifx hanged religuously. > The helper’s head made a bloody dent in the wall next to the crucifix, and > the latter, shaken by the impact on the wall, fell on him. > Neighbors, hearing the comotion, ran to see what was happening. > Standing in the doorway, they peaked inside, to see someone shouting, > obviously outraged, and throwing gold plated numbers at a bleeding man on > the floor that looked like he had just been crucified: > "Is this what you call help?? Huh??? Huh???" > The man threw the numbers so hard that two of them went rolling out the > opened door at the neighbor’s feet: > Numbers 70 and 7. Soon after, a crucifix flew between the two numbers, > landing in the middle of them both, at the feet of the puzzled neighbors. > -Hey….Look! It reads: "Seventy", "times", "seven"! Anyone here good > with numbers that would know what that ever could amount to?? >

Chloe, I am aware of the message of forgiveness that Christ teaches in Matthew 18. I don’t believe that it applies, exactly, to the situation of this thread. You are quick to point out where you believe I am wrong, but, you  ignore the verses I posted, about His teaching concerning lying and adultery, and His admonition that Christians are not to think "in the ways of men". If I see, or hear, someone do, or say something that is contrary to God’s word, I am going to speak up. In order for forgiveness to be given, if we are to follow God’s example, it must be asked for. Christ does teach that we love our enemies. I wouldn’t call Carl an ‘enemy’, per se, he’s just not playing for the same team that I am. I pray that he sees the error of his ways, turns to Christ, and forsakes his worldly ways. If he were to ask my forgiveness for his poor ‘joke’, I would have no problem with it. I am a very forgiving person; always have been, even before I was saved. In Christ, RAS

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A guy edescribing himself as a christian, once was moving. He asked for help in a moving support ng. Only one person answered the call, and offered to go help him move. The morning of the move, the stranger, who had not claimed to be a christian, arrived at the man’s house as he said he would, to help him move. The self-claimed christian opened the door, and the other, eager to help, and to maybe meet a new friend, fast walked in; so doing, he tripped and went landing head first in a sumptuous collection of gold plated bible verses, each carefully placed by its verse number. Our helper, trying to catch his balance, inadvertantly grabbed the corner of the verses display, which gave way under his weight, as he landed head first in a wall where a 3X8 foot crucifx hanged religuously. The helper’s head made a bloody dent in the wall next to the crucifix, and the latter, shaken by the impact on the wall, fell on him. Neighbors, hearing the comotion, ran to see what was happening. Standing in the doorway, they peaked inside, to see someone shouting, obviously outraged, and throwing gold plated numbers at a bleeding man on the floor that looked like he had just been crucified: "Is this what you call help?? Huh??? Huh???" The man threw the numbers so hard that two of them went rolling out the opened door at the neighbor’s feet: Numbers 70 and 7. Soon after, a crucifix flew between the two numbers, landing in the middle of them both, at the feet of the puzzled neighbors. -Hey….Look! It reads: "Seventy", "times", "seven"! Anyone here good with numbers that would know what that ever could amount to?? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -RAS (rst…@rocketmail.com) writes: > Eleonore Beaudoin wrote: >> RAS (rst…@rocketmail.com) writes: >>>Eleonore Beaudoin wrote: >>>>RAS (rst…@rocketmail.com) writes: >>>>>Eleonore Beaudoin wrote: >>>>>>RAS (rst…@rocketmail.com) writes: >>>>>>>Carl Haffler wrote: >>>>>>>>RAS <rst…@rocketmail.com> wrote in news:s5OdnQUtCNkcXyXfRVn-iA@rcn.net: >>>>>>>>>Too much lost, nowhere to turn. No future, only a past of mistakes and >>>>>>>>>screwups… wrong choices, wrong women, wrong life. Hating myself, my >>>>>>>>>life, my cheating wife. Hating everything. Life is worthless. Death >>>>>>>>>cannot come soon enough. >>>>>>>>(Entering alt.romance mode) >>>>>>>>If you have a problem with being cheated on it’s because you’re uptight and >>>>>>>>repressed and immature. You just don’t appreciate that your ex-wife was a >>>>>>>>deep, spirited, liberated individual and you have a lot of growing up to >>>>>>>>do, loser. >>>>>>>>(Exitiing alt.romance mode) >>>>>>>>Hey, man, you’re still doing better than I am. >>>>>>>Yes, I am doing a hell of a lot better than you are. At least I have the >>>>>>>intelligence to know that lying and screwing around isn’t right. >>>>>>I think the person was just, tongue in cheek, mocking the too fast >>>>>>judgements given on some ngs…;-) >>>>>>– >>>>>Perhaps you’re right. I just don’t take cheating and lying lightly; it >>>>>hurts too much, when you’re on the short end of the deal. >>>>But still, if someone tries to make you smile, reading that you are having >>>>heavy stuff… >>>>Is love not the first commandment?;-) >>>>If someone tries to make you laugh out of caring, then is not the caring >>>>more important than fear of lies that are not there…?;-) >>>>Relax a bit….It’s not amoral to relax and let the neighbor make us smile >>>>and show caring in the way they can offer…Right…?;-) >>>>– >>>C, >>>I’m sorry, but some things are just not funny. Actually, the first >>>commandment is this: "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy >>>heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind". The second >>>commandment is "Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself". >> Allow me to add the bit you left out here, and to paraphrase (my free >> translation, by memory): >> "And the second one is as important as the first. This is is how you can tell >> someone loves God: by how he loves his neighbor. For who loves his >> neighbor loves God". >> Therefore if someone tells me he loves God and is a christian, I take the >> teachings words on it: if he does not act with love towards his neighbor, >> then he does not really love God and only talks with his tongue and thinks >> he loves God for that much. >> No disciple is greater than the master, therefore the master’s words are >> the "prime directive", and not just interpretation of the part that fits >> us when we feel like being loving to thissa one and not thatta one. >> Note that it also does not say "You will love your neighbor if he cheeers >> you up in the way that pleases you, on the tone that pleases you and with >> the emoticons at the right place too for your liking and enjoyment." >> Rather than present the neighbor as being at our enjoyment’s servivce, it >> is said that the greater will be the smallest one, the ne that would wash >> his neighbor;s feet, i.e. not mind if carign might look submissive, and >> not seek power over his brother. >> Moreover, he says "love your ennemies". Where would one not feel inclined >> to love thissa one or thatta one, according to their self-interest and to >> what pleases them or not, they could not justify ""not being loving to >> their neighbor"" by ""their not loving them"". Would be a nonsense, would it >> not? Yet it resembles what you are doing now: ""I’m sorry if I don’t act >> lovingly towards him, C, but I don’t act lovingly towards him cause I don’t >> like him cause I read him seeking ill even if he himself tells me there >> was no ill will at all in his words. You see, God is not the truth: I am! >> And I see lies everywhere cause I am the truth"…??? >> You have the word "lie" in your mouth, when it does not even apply, and >> give false testimony yourself about that person, sayign he lied in his >> reply to you, where "lie" does not even apply. >> Remember the beam and the straw parable…? >>  If you love God, then love your neighbor. And if you don’t love your >> neighbor, then you’d be misleading your own self thinking you’d love God. >> And so doing, you could push away a neighbor that otherwise coudl finally >> have ran nto a christian that woudl not be so self righteous and so >> spiteful as to not wanna make them even wanna think about what that could >> ever change in their life. >> Since you affirmed yourself being a christian, I then feel like I can say >> those things. Among people who love each other as neighbors, my words >> would not be taken harshly, but would be looked at for the loving care in >> them…Right…?;-) >>>I do not believe that a joke made, at the expense of another’s feelings, >>>is trying to make them laugh, out of caring. Those who really care, >>>don’t make light of the pain. >> No joke was made at anyone’s expense. This affirmation is misleading >> whoever reads it, and in that is false testimony of what the person said >> and is. >> Someoen made a joke, and put it between quote signs, and specified the >> part between quotes was said on "ALT.ROMANCE.MODE". >> You did not read it as written or meant, and did not get the joke, which is >> far from meaning that this person would have been rude to you in any way. >> You in turn were agressive towards that person, not loving. And that >> person reacted in a same way, for havign been received so rudely by you, >> when all he did was say something to try and make you smile, assuming you >> were familiar with alt.romance, and that if you were not, the reference >> to alt.romance, the quote signs and the specifying this was written on >> the mode of alt.romance, all that was there to show no ill will towards you. >> In fact it was a sort of showing able to relate to you, and offering a >> buddy pat on the back, in saying between the lines how he also found not >> much support, indicating he tried/read >> alt.romance and got that kind of uncaring easy-advice he was mockign in >> humour, to make you smile. After the quote and joke, he even added a >> line that showed a good disposition towards you, and even that you rejected. >> I then kindly tried to make you see that the person seemed to not only wish >> you no wrong, but tried to cheer you up and give you a sort of e-buddy pat >> on the back. >> But you kept talking about him at the third person, and in non elogious terms. >> Affirming that he woudl be lying and making fun of your christianity and >> so on, which is false of you to say. >> Lots of poeple say they believe in God to next go to trash their neighbor, >> pretending they would be authorized and justified to do so by the >> teachings.*NOT*. >> In so doing, those push away from that way of life those that come in >> contact with them. >> Love your neighbor. Do not give false testimony. >> Precepts are very nice. But if no spirit is put behind them, then what on >> earth would the teachings have added to the Pharisees’s self-interested >> precepts and rules…? Just a bunch more??? Just nuances to the same >> old -or partly amended?- rules? >> Love your neighbor…That is how poeple will know and believe you when you >> say you believe in God, and how it might have meaning to them, instead of >> making them fear to become a self-righteous, stiff neck, spiteful being. >> When we hur real bad for real longt, it is easy to see pain in even nice >> words… >> But if we do not let others help when we no longer can remain loving under >> pain…We’d be doomed. >> Put a lil good will in your reading…Ok…?;-) >> ((((((((((((((((((RAS)))))))))))))))))))))) >> Chloe >>  > RAS >> — > Chloe,

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Eleonore Beaudoin wrote: > RAS (rst…@rocketmail.com) writes: >>Eleonore Beaudoin wrote: >>>RAS (rst…@rocketmail.com) writes: >>>>Eleonore Beaudoin wrote: >>>>>RAS (rst…@rocketmail.com) writes: >>>>>>Carl Haffler wrote: >>>>>>>RAS <rst…@rocketmail.com> wrote in news:s5OdnQUtCNkcXyXfRVn-iA@rcn.net: >>>>>>>>Too much lost, nowhere to turn. No future, only a past of mistakes and >>>>>>>>screwups… wrong choices, wrong women, wrong life. Hating myself, my >>>>>>>>life, my cheating wife. Hating everything. Life is worthless. Death >>>>>>>>cannot come soon enough. >>>>>>>(Entering alt.romance mode) >>>>>>>If you have a problem with being cheated on it’s because you’re uptight and >>>>>>>repressed and immature. You just don’t appreciate that your ex-wife was a >>>>>>>deep, spirited, liberated individual and you have a lot of growing up to >>>>>>>do, loser. >>>>>>>(Exitiing alt.romance mode) >>>>>>>Hey, man, you’re still doing better than I am. >>>>>>Yes, I am doing a hell of a lot better than you are. At least I have the >>>>>>intelligence to know that lying and screwing around isn’t right. >>>>>I think the person was just, tongue in cheek, mocking the too fast >>>>>judgements given on some ngs…;-) >>>>>– >>>>Perhaps you’re right. I just don’t take cheating and lying lightly; it >>>>hurts too much, when you’re on the short end of the deal. >>>But still, if someone tries to make you smile, reading that you are having >>>heavy stuff… >>>Is love not the first commandment?;-) >>>If someone tries to make you laugh out of caring, then is not the caring >>>more important than fear of lies that are not there…?;-) >>>Relax a bit….It’s not amoral to relax and let the neighbor make us smile >>>and show caring in the way they can offer…Right…?;-) >>>– >>C, >>I’m sorry, but some things are just not funny. Actually, the first >>commandment is this: "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy >>heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind". The second >>commandment is "Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself". > Allow me to add the bit you left out here, and to paraphrase (my free > translation, by memory): > "And the second one is as important as the first. This is is how you can tell > someone loves God: by how he loves his neighbor. For who loves his > neighbor loves God". > Therefore if someone tells me he loves God and is a christian, I take the > teachings words on it: if he does not act with love towards his neighbor, > then he does not really love God and only talks with his tongue and thinks > he loves God for that much. > No disciple is greater than the master, therefore the master’s words are > the "prime directive", and not just interpretation of the part that fits > us when we feel like being loving to thissa one and not thatta one. > Note that it also does not say "You will love your neighbor if he cheeers > you up in the way that pleases you, on the tone that pleases you and with > the emoticons at the right place too for your liking and enjoyment." > Rather than present the neighbor as being at our enjoyment’s servivce, it > is said that the greater will be the smallest one, the ne that would wash > his neighbor;s feet, i.e. not mind if carign might look submissive, and > not seek power over his brother. > Moreover, he says "love your ennemies". Where would one not feel inclined > to love thissa one or thatta one, according to their self-interest and to > what pleases them or not, they could not justify ""not being loving to > their neighbor"" by ""their not loving them"". Would be a nonsense, would it > not? Yet it resembles what you are doing now: ""I’m sorry if I don’t act > lovingly towards him, C, but I don’t act lovingly towards him cause I don’t > like him cause I read him seeking ill even if he himself tells me there > was no ill will at all in his words. You see, God is not the truth: I am! > And I see lies everywhere cause I am the truth"…??? > You have the word "lie" in your mouth, when it does not even apply, and > give false testimony yourself about that person, sayign he lied in his > reply to you, where "lie" does not even apply. > Remember the beam and the straw parable…? >  If you love God, then love your neighbor. And if you don’t love your > neighbor, then you’d be misleading your own self thinking you’d love God. > And so doing, you could push away a neighbor that otherwise coudl finally > have ran nto a christian that woudl not be so self righteous and so > spiteful as to not wanna make them even wanna think about what that could > ever change in their life. > Since you affirmed yourself being a christian, I then feel like I can say > those things. Among people who love each other as neighbors, my words > would not be taken harshly, but would be looked at for the loving care in > them…Right…?;-) >>I do not believe that a joke made, at the expense of another’s feelings, >>is trying to make them laugh, out of caring. Those who really care, >>don’t make light of the pain. > No joke was made at anyone’s expense. This affirmation is misleading > whoever reads it, and in that is false testimony of what the person said > and is. > Someoen made a joke, and put it between quote signs, and specified the > part between quotes was said on "ALT.ROMANCE.MODE". > You did not read it as written or meant, and did not get the joke, which is > far from meaning that this person would have been rude to you in any way. > You in turn were agressive towards that person, not loving. And that > person reacted in a same way, for havign been received so rudely by you, > when all he did was say something to try and make you smile, assuming you > were familiar with alt.romance, and that if you were not, the reference > to alt.romance, the quote signs and the specifying this was written on > the mode of alt.romance, all that was there to show no ill will towards you. > In fact it was a sort of showing able to relate to you, and offering a > buddy pat on the back, in saying between the lines how he also found not > much support, indicating he tried/read > alt.romance and got that kind of uncaring easy-advice he was mockign in > humour, to make you smile. After the quote and joke, he even added a > line that showed a good disposition towards you, and even that you rejected. > I then kindly tried to make you see that the person seemed to not only wish > you no wrong, but tried to cheer you up and give you a sort of e-buddy pat > on the back. > But you kept talking about him at the third person, and in non elogious terms. > Affirming that he woudl be lying and making fun of your christianity and > so on, which is false of you to say. > Lots of poeple say they believe in God to next go to trash their neighbor, > pretending they would be authorized and justified to do so by the > teachings.*NOT*. > In so doing, those push away from that way of life those that come in > contact with them. > Love your neighbor. Do not give false testimony. > Precepts are very nice. But if no spirit is put behind them, then what on > earth would the teachings have added to the Pharisees’s self-interested > precepts and rules…? Just a bunch more??? Just nuances to the same > old -or partly amended?- rules? > Love your neighbor…That is how poeple will know and believe you when you > say you believe in God, and how it might have meaning to them, instead of > making them fear to become a self-righteous, stiff neck, spiteful being. > When we hur real bad for real longt, it is easy to see pain in even nice > words… > But if we do not let others help when we no longer can remain loving under > pain…We’d be doomed. > Put a lil good will in your reading…Ok…?;-) > ((((((((((((((((((RAS)))))))))))))))))))))) > Chloe >  > RAS > —

Chloe, First, thank you for the reminder; sometimes I get off track a bit. Perhaps I could have answered in a gentler tone, but, that was not my mood that night, or, the response needed, in my opinion. I believe you are reading things into what I said, that I did not mean. I never said that Carl was lying; I said that I had the "intelligence to know that lying and screwing around isn’t right". I was referring to the lying and cheating that my wife did, and continues to do, not accusing the poster. I stand by my statement: some things are just not funny. If you’ve been cheated on, and lied to, I challenge you to laugh at someone’s thoughtless ‘joke’, when that hurt is still fresh. Your knowledge of scripture is commendable, however, you overlook the words that Carl wrote: > If you have a problem with being cheated on it’s because you’re uptight and >>>>>>>>repressed and immature. You just don’t appreciate that your ex-wife was a >>>>>>>>deep, spirited, liberated individual and you have a lot of growing up to >>>>>>>>do, loser.

Now, please take note: not only does Carl condone and commend the wife’s adultery, he calls me a "loser" and "immature", because I feel it is wrong. Even if he is ‘mocking’ the kind of advice found in another newsgroup, the message is there.  With your knowledge of the Bible, I am sure I don’t have to list the numerous times that Christ comdemns adultery, and lying. He also tells us, "by their fruits shall ye know them". If someone makes a ‘joke’, condoning adultery, I will consider their fruit to be quite evident. This is not a person I want ‘help’ from. Keep in mind, Chloe, this is alt.SUPPORT.loneliness, NOT alt.romance. I posted my message at a time when I was really feeling down; how is a ‘joke’ making light of the situation ‘helping’? I am well aware, that Usenet is a haven for trolls, who visit various … read more »

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -RAS (rst…@rocketmail.com) writes: > Eleonore Beaudoin wrote: >> RAS (rst…@rocketmail.com) writes: >>>Eleonore Beaudoin wrote: >>>>RAS (rst…@rocketmail.com) writes: >>>>>Carl Haffler wrote: >>>>>>RAS <rst…@rocketmail.com> wrote in news:s5OdnQUtCNkcXyXfRVn-iA@rcn.net: >>>>>>>Too much lost, nowhere to turn. No future, only a past of mistakes and >>>>>>>screwups… wrong choices, wrong women, wrong life. Hating myself, my >>>>>>>life, my cheating wife. Hating everything. Life is worthless. Death >>>>>>>cannot come soon enough. >>>>>>(Entering alt.romance mode) >>>>>>If you have a problem with being cheated on it’s because you’re uptight and >>>>>>repressed and immature. You just don’t appreciate that your ex-wife was a >>>>>>deep, spirited, liberated individual and you have a lot of growing up to >>>>>>do, loser. >>>>>>(Exitiing alt.romance mode) >>>>>>Hey, man, you’re still doing better than I am. >>>>>Yes, I am doing a hell of a lot better than you are. At least I have the >>>>>intelligence to know that lying and screwing around isn’t right. >>>>I think the person was just, tongue in cheek, mocking the too fast >>>>judgements given on some ngs…;-) >>>>– >>>Perhaps you’re right. I just don’t take cheating and lying lightly; it >>>hurts too much, when you’re on the short end of the deal. >> But still, if someone tries to make you smile, reading that you are having >> heavy stuff… >> Is love not the first commandment?;-) >> If someone tries to make you laugh out of caring, then is not the caring >> more important than fear of lies that are not there…?;-) >> Relax a bit….It’s not amoral to relax and let the neighbor make us smile >> and show caring in the way they can offer…Right…?;-) >> — > C, > I’m sorry, but some things are just not funny. Actually, the first > commandment is this: "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy > heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind". The second > commandment is "Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself".

Allow me to add the bit you left out here, and to paraphrase (my free translation, by memory): "And the second one is as important as the first. This is is how you can tell someone loves God: by how he loves his neighbor. For who loves his neighbor loves God". Therefore if someone tells me he loves God and is a christian, I take the teachings words on it: if he does not act with love towards his neighbor, then he does not really love God and only talks with his tongue and thinks he loves God for that much. No disciple is greater than the master, therefore the master’s words are the "prime directive", and not just interpretation of the part that fits us when we feel like being loving to thissa one and not thatta one. Note that it also does not say "You will love your neighbor if he cheeers you up in the way that pleases you, on the tone that pleases you and with the emoticons at the right place too for your liking and enjoyment." Rather than present the neighbor as being at our enjoyment’s servivce, it is said that the greater will be the smallest one, the ne that would wash his neighbor;s feet, i.e. not mind if carign might look submissive, and not seek power over his brother. Moreover, he says "love your ennemies". Where would one not feel inclined to love thissa one or thatta one, according to their self-interest and to what pleases them or not, they could not justify ""not being loving to their neighbor"" by ""their not loving them"". Would be a nonsense, would it not? Yet it resembles what you are doing now: ""I’m sorry if I don’t act lovingly towards him, C, but I don’t act lovingly towards him cause I don’t like him cause I read him seeking ill even if he himself tells me there was no ill will at all in his words. You see, God is not the truth: I am! And I see lies everywhere cause I am the truth"…??? You have the word "lie" in your mouth, when it does not even apply, and give false testimony yourself about that person, sayign he lied in his reply to you, where "lie" does not even apply. Remember the beam and the straw parable…?  If you love God, then love your neighbor. And if you don’t love your neighbor, then you’d be misleading your own self thinking you’d love God. And so doing, you could push away a neighbor that otherwise coudl finally have ran nto a christian that woudl not be so self righteous and so spiteful as to not wanna make them even wanna think about what that could ever change in their life. Since you affirmed yourself being a christian, I then feel like I can say those things. Among people who love each other as neighbors, my words would not be taken harshly, but would be looked at for the loving care in them…Right…?;-) > I do not believe that a joke made, at the expense of another’s feelings, > is trying to make them laugh, out of caring. Those who really care, > don’t make light of the pain.

No joke was made at anyone’s expense. This affirmation is misleading whoever reads it, and in that is false testimony of what the person said and is. Someoen made a joke, and put it between quote signs, and specified the part between quotes was said on "ALT.ROMANCE.MODE". You did not read it as written or meant, and did not get the joke, which is far from meaning that this person would have been rude to you in any way. You in turn were agressive towards that person, not loving. And that person reacted in a same way, for havign been received so rudely by you, when all he did was say something to try and make you smile, assuming you were familiar with alt.romance, and that if you were not, the reference to alt.romance, the quote signs and the specifying this was written on the mode of alt.romance, all that was there to show no ill will towards you. In fact it was a sort of showing able to relate to you, and offering a buddy pat on the back, in saying between the lines how he also found not much support, indicating he tried/read alt.romance and got that kind of uncaring easy-advice he was mockign in humour, to make you smile. After the quote and joke, he even added a line that showed a good disposition towards you, and even that you rejected. I then kindly tried to make you see that the person seemed to not only wish you no wrong, but tried to cheer you up and give you a sort of e-buddy pat on the back. But you kept talking about him at the third person, and in non elogious terms. Affirming that he woudl be lying and making fun of your christianity and so on, which is false of you to say. Lots of poeple say they believe in God to next go to trash their neighbor, pretending they would be authorized and justified to do so by the teachings.*NOT*. In so doing, those push away from that way of life those that come in contact with them. Love your neighbor. Do not give false testimony. Precepts are very nice. But if no spirit is put behind them, then what on earth would the teachings have added to the Pharisees’s self-interested precepts and rules…? Just a bunch more??? Just nuances to the same old -or partly amended?- rules? Love your neighbor…That is how poeple will know and believe you when you say you believe in God, and how it might have meaning to them, instead of making them fear to become a self-righteous, stiff neck, spiteful being. When we hur real bad for real longt, it is easy to see pain in even nice words… But if we do not let others help when we no longer can remain loving under pain…We’d be doomed. Put a lil good will in your reading…Ok…?;-) ((((((((((((((((((RAS)))))))))))))))))))))) Chloe  > RAS —

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Eleonore Beaudoin wrote: > RAS (rst…@rocketmail.com) writes: >>Eleonore Beaudoin wrote: >>>RAS (rst…@rocketmail.com) writes: >>>>Carl Haffler wrote: >>>>>RAS <rst…@rocketmail.com> wrote in news:s5OdnQUtCNkcXyXfRVn-iA@rcn.net: >>>>>>Too much lost, nowhere to turn. No future, only a past of mistakes and >>>>>>screwups… wrong choices, wrong women, wrong life. Hating myself, my >>>>>>life, my cheating wife. Hating everything. Life is worthless. Death >>>>>>cannot come soon enough. >>>>>(Entering alt.romance mode) >>>>>If you have a problem with being cheated on it’s because you’re uptight and >>>>>repressed and immature. You just don’t appreciate that your ex-wife was a >>>>>deep, spirited, liberated individual and you have a lot of growing up to >>>>>do, loser. >>>>>(Exitiing alt.romance mode) >>>>>Hey, man, you’re still doing better than I am. >>>>Yes, I am doing a hell of a lot better than you are. At least I have the >>>>intelligence to know that lying and screwing around isn’t right. >>>I think the person was just, tongue in cheek, mocking the too fast >>>judgements given on some ngs…;-) >>>– >>Perhaps you’re right. I just don’t take cheating and lying lightly; it >>hurts too much, when you’re on the short end of the deal. > But still, if someone tries to make you smile, reading that you are having > heavy stuff… > Is love not the first commandment?;-) > If someone teries to mae you laugh out of caring, then is not the caring > more important than fear of lies that are not there…?;-) > Relax a bit….It;s not amoral to relax and let the neighbr make us smile > and show caring in the way they can offer…Right…?;-) > —

C, I’m sorry, but some things are just not funny. Actually, the first commandment is this: "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind". The second commandment is "Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself". I do not believe that a joke made, at the expense of another’s feelings, is trying to make them laugh, out of caring. Those who really care, don’t make light of the pain. RAS

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -RAS (rst…@rocketmail.com) writes: > Eleonore Beaudoin wrote: >> RAS (rst…@rocketmail.com) writes: >>>Carl Haffler wrote: >>>>RAS <rst…@rocketmail.com> wrote in news:s5OdnQUtCNkcXyXfRVn-iA@rcn.net: >>>>>Too much lost, nowhere to turn. No future, only a past of mistakes and >>>>>screwups… wrong choices, wrong women, wrong life. Hating myself, my >>>>>life, my cheating wife. Hating everything. Life is worthless. Death >>>>>cannot come soon enough. >>>>(Entering alt.romance mode) >>>>If you have a problem with being cheated on it’s because you’re uptight and >>>>repressed and immature. You just don’t appreciate that your ex-wife was a >>>>deep, spirited, liberated individual and you have a lot of growing up to >>>>do, loser. >>>>(Exitiing alt.romance mode) >>>>Hey, man, you’re still doing better than I am. >>>Yes, I am doing a hell of a lot better than you are. At least I have the >>>intelligence to know that lying and screwing around isn’t right. >> I think the person was just, tongue in cheek, mocking the too fast >> judgements given on some ngs…;-) >> — > Perhaps you’re right. I just don’t take cheating and lying lightly; it > hurts too much, when you’re on the short end of the deal.

But still, if someone tries to make you smile, reading that you are having heavy stuff… Is love not the first commandment?;-) If someone teries to mae you laugh out of caring, then is not the caring more important than fear of lies that are not there…?;-) Relax a bit….It;s not amoral to relax and let the neighbr make us smile and show caring in the way they can offer…Right…?;-) —

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Carl Haffler wrote: > RAS <rst…@rocketmail.com> wrote in > news:mKqdnRuPF4KxxyTfRVn-pQ@rcn.net: >>Carl Haffler wrote: >>>RAS <rst…@rocketmail.com> wrote in >>>news:s5OdnQUtCNkcXyXfRVn-iA@rcn.net: >>>>Too much lost, nowhere to turn. No future, only a past of mistakes >>>>and screwups… wrong choices, wrong women, wrong life. Hating >>>>myself, my life, my cheating wife. Hating everything. Life is >>>>worthless. Death cannot come soon enough. >>>(Entering alt.romance mode) >>>If you have a problem with being cheated on it’s because you’re >>>uptight and repressed and immature. You just don’t appreciate that >>>your ex-wife was a deep, spirited, liberated individual and you have >>>a lot of growing up to do, loser. >>>(Exitiing alt.romance mode) >>>Hey, man, you’re still doing better than I am. >>Yes, I am doing a hell of a lot better than you are. At least I have >>the intelligence to know that lying and screwing around isn’t right. > Wow. Get over yourself, bitch. > Anyways, you obviously haven’t endured the pain of alt.romance. The > drivel I spewed is what passes for sage wisdom there.

You are right; I haven’t visited alt.romance (and, from what you’ve said, I won’t). Feel free to call me any names you like; I am not so stupid, as to pass on "sage wisdom" that I know is drivel. Sorry, Carl; I have nothing to "get over", as far as myself is concerned; I do have a problem with the loss of my wife, and the hurt and pain that entails. I am honest; I came to this newsgroup because I am lonely, and hurting. I have little patience for those who troll Usenet, posting crap. If you aren’t a troll, my apologies. Your post, in reply to mine, though, makes me wonder. RAS

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RAS (rst…@rocketmail.com) writes: > Ear Disorder Person wrote: >> RAS wrote: >>>Too much lost, nowhere to turn. No future, only a past of mistakes and >>>screwups… wrong choices, wrong women, wrong life. Hating myself, my >>>life, my cheating wife. Hating everything. Life is worthless. Death >>>cannot come soon enough. >> Do you have a job? > Yep, 45-50 hours a week. What good is a job, when you’ve lost everything > that was worth working for?

If you think all your orked for was worthy of it, and now cheats on you, then what you might have to lose is a gain. Think of it this way: you could split, be poorer but have something less depressing in your face all the time. Or the option is wait until she is really organized, planned it out carefully and has an attorney send you "her" divorce papers… Sometimes we think we have no solution cause the one that is blatant is not the one we dreamt of. But most of the time, what we dreamt of is not what we dream of anymore…;-) Hi, RAS. Thanks for your happy full moon wishes in the creatve story thread. I opted to reply to it here to not break the creative thread with my babble:) Hope things pick up for you, and that you find Inspiration. Or the wisdom of a prayer that is not excusively for alcoholics anonymus: that prayer about the strenght courage and wisdom about accepting what we can not change, the courage to change what we can, and the **wisdom to knwo the difference*. While you might not feel able to change anything, there are things you can change. Not her ways, only she coudl do that. But yours. You can decide, not only think, but act on the thought, that you are worth more than that treatment you are getting, and cut it right off right there. Who knows, maybe when unprepared and not all is planned yet on her side, the new data would register in her brain and make her think fo what *she* is losing? Best wishes sent to you… Have a happy full moon time too!:) (dunno if was yesterday or is tonight or what:)) C —

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RAS <rst…@rocketmail.com> wrote in news:4vqdnWHRBdY8yCTfRVn-1A@rcn.net: >  Left me for the > barroom to bedroom life 19 months ago. > I believe the full moon was last night.

In the long run you’ll be better off (cold comfort). FWIW, from a certain perspective, *every* decision is the wrong one.   There’s no right or wrong, only better or worse, since we only have one outcome (our own lives) we really can *never* know whether we made a better   or worse one.  (Add necessary qualifications here…that time I played with the doomsday device I found in the attic was almost certainly wrong, that’s a given.  But generally…)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Eleonore Beaudoin wrote: > RAS (rst…@rocketmail.com) writes: >>Ear Disorder Person wrote: >>>RAS wrote: >>>>Too much lost, nowhere to turn. No future, only a past of mistakes and >>>>screwups… wrong choices, wrong women, wrong life. Hating myself, my >>>>life, my cheating wife. Hating everything. Life is worthless. Death >>>>cannot come soon enough. >>>Do you have a job? >>Yep, 45-50 hours a week. What good is a job, when you’ve lost everything >>that was worth working for? > If you think all your orked for was worthy of it, and now cheats on you, > then what you might have to lose is a gain. > Think of it this way: you could split, be poorer but have something less > depressing in your face all the time. > Or the option is wait until she is really organized, planned it out > carefully and has an attorney send you "her" divorce papers… > Sometimes we think we have no solution cause the one that is blatant is > not the one we dreamt of. > But most of the time, what we dreamt of is not what we dream of anymore…;-) > Hi, RAS. > Thanks for your happy full moon wishes in the creatve story thread. I > opted to reply to it here to not break the creative thread with my babble:) > Hope things pick up for you, and that you find Inspiration. Or the wisdom > of a prayer that is not excusively for alcoholics anonymus: that prayer > about the strenght courage and wisdom about accepting what we can not > change, the courage to change what we can, and the **wisdom to knwo the > difference*. > While you might not feel able to change anything, there are things you can > change. Not her ways, only she coudl do that. But yours. > You can decide, not only think, but act on the thought, that you are > worth more than that treatment you are getting, and cut it right off > right there. > Who knows, maybe when unprepared and not all is planned yet on her side, > the new data would register in her brain and make her think fo what *she* > is losing? > Best wishes sent to you… > Have a happy full moon time too!:) > (dunno if was yesterday or is tonight or what:)) > C > —

Thanks for the thoughts, C… but, she is already gone. Left me for the barroom to bedroom life 19 months ago. I believe the full moon was last night.

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Mad Mambo Master of Macedonia wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> RAS <rst…@rocketmail.com> wrote in > news:n_mdnZUdTa48aiXfRVn-1A@rcn.net: >>John Effty wrote: >>>"RAS" <rst…@rocketmail.com> wrote in message >>>news:17ydnYFG5c1XSiXfRVn-iw@rcn.net… >>>>Ear Disorder Person wrote: >>>>>RAS wrote: >>>>>>Too much lost, nowhere to turn. No future, only a past of mistakes >>>>>>and screwups… wrong choices, wrong women, wrong life. Hating >>>>>>myself, my life, my cheating wife. Hating everything. Life is >>>>>>worthless. Death cannot come soon enough. >>>>>Do you have a job? >>>>Yep, 45-50 hours a week. What good is a job, when you’ve lost >>>>everything that was worth working for? >>>A lot of people in your position become workaholics.  You could try >>>that for a while.  At least it passes the time before death.  Then, >>>if you do manage to save up some money you could go to Vegas and blow >>>it all on craps and whores. >>>Just a thought. >>>-John >>Lol! But, shucks, John, as a born again Christian, I guess the whores >>would be out of the question. (See, us Christians can have a sense of >>humor!). Aw, craps! > Have you tried Ba’al? Sounds like your current god isn’t really getting > the job done.

Get thee behind me, satan! No, I have no interest in a false god. I am sure of God, I am just not sure of myself.

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RAS <rst…@rocketmail.com> wrote in news:n_mdnZUdTa48aiXfRVn-1A@rcn.net: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> John Effty wrote: >> "RAS" <rst…@rocketmail.com> wrote in message >> news:17ydnYFG5c1XSiXfRVn-iw@rcn.net… >>>Ear Disorder Person wrote: >>>>RAS wrote: >>>>>Too much lost, nowhere to turn. No future, only a past of mistakes >>>>>and screwups… wrong choices, wrong women, wrong life. Hating >>>>>myself, my life, my cheating wife. Hating everything. Life is >>>>>worthless. Death cannot come soon enough. >>>>Do you have a job? >>>Yep, 45-50 hours a week. What good is a job, when you’ve lost >>>everything that was worth working for? >> A lot of people in your position become workaholics.  You could try >> that for a while.  At least it passes the time before death.  Then, >> if you do manage to save up some money you could go to Vegas and blow >> it all on craps and whores. >> Just a thought. >> -John > Lol! But, shucks, John, as a born again Christian, I guess the whores > would be out of the question. (See, us Christians can have a sense of > humor!). Aw, craps!

Have you tried Ba’al? Sounds like your current god isn’t really getting the job done.

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Ear Disorder Person wrote: > RAS wrote: >>Too much lost, nowhere to turn. No future, only a past of mistakes and >>screwups… wrong choices, wrong women, wrong life. Hating myself, my >>life, my cheating wife. Hating everything. Life is worthless. Death >>cannot come soon enough. > Do you have a job?

Yep, 45-50 hours a week. What good is a job, when you’ve lost everything that was worth working for?

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"RAS" <rst…@rocketmail.com> wrote in message

news:17ydnYFG5c1XSiXfRVn-iw@rcn.net… > Ear Disorder Person wrote: >> RAS wrote: >>>Too much lost, nowhere to turn. No future, only a past of mistakes and >>>screwups… wrong choices, wrong women, wrong life. Hating myself, my >>>life, my cheating wife. Hating everything. Life is worthless. Death >>>cannot come soon enough. >> Do you have a job? > Yep, 45-50 hours a week. What good is a job, when you’ve lost everything > that was worth working for?

A lot of people in your position become workaholics.  You could try that for a while.  At least it passes the time before death.  Then, if you do manage to save up some money you could go to Vegas and blow it all on craps and whores. Just a thought. -John

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -John Effty wrote: > "RAS" <rst…@rocketmail.com> wrote in message > news:17ydnYFG5c1XSiXfRVn-iw@rcn.net… >>Ear Disorder Person wrote: >>>RAS wrote: >>>>Too much lost, nowhere to turn. No future, only a past of mistakes and >>>>screwups… wrong choices, wrong women, wrong life. Hating myself, my >>>>life, my cheating wife. Hating everything. Life is worthless. Death >>>>cannot come soon enough. >>>Do you have a job? >>Yep, 45-50 hours a week. What good is a job, when you’ve lost everything >>that was worth working for? > A lot of people in your position become workaholics.  You could try that for > a while.  At least it passes the time before death.  Then, if you do manage > to save up some money you could go to Vegas and blow it all on craps and > whores. > Just a thought. > -John

Lol! But, shucks, John, as a born again Christian, I guess the whores would be out of the question. (See, us Christians can have a sense of humor!). Aw, craps!

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Too much lost, nowhere to turn. No future, only a past of mistakes and screwups… wrong choices, wrong women, wrong life. Hating myself, my life, my cheating wife. Hating everything. Life is worthless. Death cannot come soon enough.

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RAS wrote: > Too much lost, nowhere to turn. No future, only a past of mistakes and > screwups… wrong choices, wrong women, wrong life. Hating myself, my > life, my cheating wife. Hating everything. Life is worthless. Death > cannot come soon enough.

Do you have a job?

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New Offer: OT, BW, MBW (male bashing warning) and so on and so forth

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This was in my freecycle emails.  I think it is one of the funniest ones I’ve ever seen. Pam Shirk I’m not bad…I’m just written that way – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text —— Original Message —– To: FayettevilleFtBraggFreecycle;harnett_freecycle I have 1 sorry (BLEEP) old man comes with his own remote and beer can ( lazyboy chair NOT included ).Will not do yard work or dishes but is house trained .Has no formal Obedience training but will sit if told on the with a mean tone of voice. I can no longer take proper care of him .Will someone please give him a new home K

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This was in my freecycle emails.  I think it is one of the funniest ones I’ve ever seen. Pam Shirk I’m not bad…I’m just written that way —– Original Message —– PM I have 1 sorry (BLEEP) old man comes with his own remote and beer can ( lazyboy chair NOT included ).Will not do yard work or dishes but is house trained .Has no formal Obedience training but will sit if told on the with a mean tone of voice. I can no longer take proper care of him .Will first serve !!!! K

What was your bid?   Hahaha.   MLB

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yodeled: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -This was in my freecycle emails.  I think it is one of the funniest ones I’ve ever seen. Pam Shirk I’m not bad…I’m just written that way —– Original Message —– To: FayettevilleFtBraggFreecycle;harnett_freecycle I have 1 sorry (BLEEP) old man comes with his own remote and beer can ( lazyboy chair NOT included ).Will not do yard work or dishes but is house trained .Has no formal Obedience training but will sit if told on the with a mean tone of voice. I can no longer take proper care of him .Will someone please give him a new home

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This was in my freecycle emails.  I think it is one of the funniest ones I’ve ever seen. Pam Shirk I’m not bad…I’m just written that way —– Original Message —– To: FayettevilleFtBraggFreecycle;harnett_freecycle I have 1 sorry (BLEEP) old man comes with his own remote and beer can ( lazyboy chair NOT included ).Will not do yard work or dishes but is house trained .Has no formal Obedience training but will sit if told on the with a mean tone of voice. I can no longer take proper care of him .Will someone please give him a new home

That is hilarious!! I wonder where he is now!

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This was in my freecycle emails.  I think it is one of the funniest ones I’ve ever seen. Pam Shirk I’m not bad…I’m just written that way —– Original Message —– To: FayettevilleFtBraggFreecycle;harnett_freecycle I have 1 sorry (BLEEP) old man comes with his own remote and beer can ( lazyboy chair NOT included ).Will not do yard work or dishes but is house trained .Has no formal Obedience training but will sit if told on the with a mean tone of voice. I can no longer take proper care of him .Will someone please give him a new home That is hilarious!! I wonder where he is now!

Right here on my living room sofa!!!  ; Hugs, CatNipped

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This was in my freecycle emails.  I think it is one of the funniest ones I’ve ever seen. Pam Shirk I’m not bad…I’m just written that way —– Original Message —– To: FayettevilleFtBraggFreecycle;harnett_freecycle I have 1 sorry (BLEEP) old man comes with his own remote and beer can ( lazyboy chair NOT included ).Will not do yard work or dishes but is house trained .Has no formal Obedience training but will sit if told on the with a mean tone of voice. I can no longer take proper care of him .Will someone please give him a new home That is hilarious!! I wonder where he is now! Right here on my living room sofa!!!  ;

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – —– Original Message —– PM I have 1 sorry (BLEEP) old man comes with his own remote and beer can ( lazyboy chair NOT included ).Will not do yard work or dishes but is house trained .Has no formal Obedience training but will sit if told on the with a mean tone of voice. I can no longer take proper care of him .Will first serve !!!! K What was your bid?   Hahaha.   MLB

Freecycle, means no money changes hands.  Besides I already have enough of these laying around. Pam S.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This was in my freecycle emails.  I think it is one of the funniest ones I’ve ever seen. Pam Shirk I’m not bad…I’m just written that way —– Original Message —– To: FayettevilleFtBraggFreecycle;harnett_freecycle I have 1 sorry (BLEEP) old man comes with his own remote and beer can ( lazyboy chair NOT included ).Will not do yard work or dishes but is house trained .Has no formal Obedience training but will sit if told on the with a mean tone of voice. I can no longer take proper care of him .Will someone please give him a new home That is hilarious!! I wonder where he is now!

There was no post indicating that he’d been picked up, so I suspect that he’s the subject of disinterest and no-shows. Pam S. who wouldn’t show up either

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That is hilarious!! I wonder where he is now!///

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That is hilarious!! I wonder where he is now!/// Divorce court? ;o) Helen M

Hee!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This was in my freecycle emails.  I think it is one of the funniest ones I’ve ever seen. Pam Shirk I’m not bad…I’m just written that way —– Original Message —– To: FayettevilleFtBraggFreecycle;harnett_freecycle I have 1 sorry (BLEEP) old man comes with his own remote and beer can ( lazyboy chair NOT included ).Will not do yard work or dishes but is house trained .Has no formal Obedience training but will sit if told on the with a mean tone of voice. I can no longer take proper care of him .Will someone please give him a new home K

Heeheehee.  Too funny.  I’m on my local freecycle list — think I could advertise my DH? Ginger-lyn Home Pages:   http://www.spiritrealm.com/summer/   http://www.angelfire.com/folk/glsummer (homepage & cats)   http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~summer/index.htm (genealogy)   http://www.i-love-cats.com/meow/glsummer/ (The Violence Against                                              Animals in Movies Website)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This was in my freecycle emails.  I think it is one of the funniest ones I’ve ever seen. Pam Shirk I’m not bad…I’m just written that way —– Original Message —– To: FayettevilleFtBraggFreecycle;harnett_freecycle I have 1 sorry (BLEEP) old man comes with his own remote and beer can ( lazyboy chair NOT included ).Will not do yard work or dishes but is house trained .Has no formal Obedience training but will sit if told on the with a mean tone of voice. I can no longer take proper care of him .Will someone please give him a new home K Heeheehee.  Too funny.  I’m on my local freecycle list — think I could advertise my DH? Ginger-lyn

You’ll probably get as many takers as this woman probably did.  If you do advertise him and it works, please let me know. Pam S.

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<snip "Originally from Queens, N.Y., Judge Milian moved to Miami with her family when she was a child. She received her undergraduate degree from the University of Miami, graduating summa cum laude with a 4.0 grade average. She then graduated cum laude from Georgetown Law School. " Sounds like she can out writ you any old day…." No kidding. She’s more than qualified, and is just now in her early 40s. She, like Greg Mathis, must have been real go-getters. Judge Mathis was the youngest circuit court judge in Detroit history. The last eBay suit I saw on The People’s Court was the one where the guy bought the German helmet which turned out to be bogus.

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Watching JJ tear into stupid people is quite satisfying. We could use more of it on TV.

Except that the lessons are entirely lost on these losers. Anyone so stupid as to say "yes" when invited to appear on Court TV, Dr.Phil, Jerry Springer, etc., is clearly beyond educating. They’ll likely even ask for a tape of it, and think "didn’t I look great". I don’t watch those shows. I hate to be reminded of what lurks out there in the shadows of bidderland. — http://www.access-one.com/rjn           email4rjn AT yahoo DOT com NOT speaking for any employer, client or Internet Service Provider.

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The worst is the – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Latina from Miami, super bitch ( marilyn something ), and the AA from Detroit, Greg Mathis. Neither one could write a writ of anything, let alone pass judgement on anybody / anything. " Judge Milian spent a year at Harvard Law School as the director of training for the Guatemala Project, responsible for training the Guatemalan trial judiciary, defense, and prosecution bar in investigatory and trial techniques. After Janet Reno hired her, she served from 1984-1994 as an assistant state attorney for the Dade County State Attorney’s Office, followed by an appointment by then-Gov. Lawton Chiles to a five-year stint in the Miami County Court in the Domestic Violence, Criminal. and Civil Divisions. In 1999, Florida Gov. Jeb Bush appointed her to the Miami Circuit Court, where she served in the Criminal Division. "Originally from Queens, N.Y., Judge Milian moved to Miami with her family when she was a child. She received her undergraduate degree from the University of Miami, graduating summa cum laude with a 4.0 grade average. She then graduated cum laude from Georgetown Law School. "

When will this lazy woman get her arse off her shoulders and make something of herself?

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Tony Cooper" wrote As I understand it, both parties get an appearance fee for being on the show.  The judgement comes out of the fee paid by the loser.  So if both parties get $ xx.xx as an appearance fee, the winner gets $ xx.xx plus the judgement, and the loser gets $ xx.xx less the judgement.  I tried to read the small print on the screen after the show, and I think that’s what it said. I thought that it all came out of a "pot" – the winner got the judgement paid from the pot and the loser split the remainder of the pot with the winner. That’s essentially the same thing that Tony said. You’re just calling the appearance fees the pot. But I thought that the appearance fee depended on the amount of the pot, and if a plaintiff won the entire amount of the pot, then the defendant wouldn’t get anything but paid travel.

Again, it’s the same thing.  If the loser gets the appearance fee of $xx.xx less the judgement, and the judgement is equal to the appearance fee, the loser leaves with nothing. I think you might be under the impression that the appearance fee varies based on the amount of judgement expected.  I don’t know, but I doubt that.  I think they have a set appearance fee. — Tony Cooper Orlando FL

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I watched the episode (yes, I Tivo Judge Judy – so shoot me). Not at all.  Watching JJ tear into stupid people is quite satisfying.  We could use more of it on TV. ef People’s Court had one a few weeks ago about a guy buying a signed book on Yahoo auctions.  It was kind of interesting, the seller lost, but I think both parties were kind of loopy. As far as court shows go, Judge Mathis rocks, so does Judge Mablean on Divorce Court.  They are by far the best! the vast majority of these ‘TV judges ‘ are an embarrassment to the legal system, and mostly to the profession of Law. The worst is the Latina from Miami, super bitch ( marilyn something ), and the AA from Detroit, Greg Mathis. Neither one could write a writ of anything, let

I am trying to think what might embarrass the legal profession, and I just can’t.  In an age where lawyers buy billboards, buy full pages in the Yellow Pages, and advertise on television, I just can’t imagine what might be left to cause them embarrassment. No lawyer that has uttered "My client looks forward to vindicating himself." is capable of further embarrassment. In this market, the commercials that precedes and follow the "Judge Judy" program are the commercials of a local attorney – John Morgan – who uses each commercial to suggest some area where you can obtain legal redress by using his services.  If you aren’t aware of a reason to sue someone, John "For The People" Morgan will find one for you. — Tony Cooper Orlando FL

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the vast majority of these ‘TV judges ‘ are an embarrassment to the legal system… I am trying to think what might embarrass the legal profession, and I just can’t…

Thank you for saying what I was thinking. Lumpy — Hey! Can I borrow your Habeas Corpus? http://www.lumpymusic.com

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Tony Cooper" wrote As I understand it, both parties get an appearance fee for being on the show.  The judgement comes out of the fee paid by the loser.  So if both parties get $ xx.xx as an appearance fee, the winner gets $ xx.xx plus the judgement, and the loser gets $ xx.xx less the judgement.  I tried to read the small print on the screen after the show, and I think that’s what it said. I thought that it all came out of a "pot" – the winner got the judgement paid from the pot and the loser split the remainder of the pot with the winner. That’s essentially the same thing that Tony said. You’re just calling the appearance fees the pot. But I thought that the appearance fee depended on the amount of the pot, and if a plaintiff won the entire amount of the pot, then the defendant wouldn’t get anything but paid travel. A

Back when I used to watch, there was a total of $5,000 available.   Whoever won the case, was awarded from that amount….then the rest was split between the two. Kris

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I watched the episode (yes, I Tivo Judge Judy – so shoot me). Not at all.  Watching JJ tear into stupid people is quite satisfying.  We could use more of it on TV. ef People’s Court had one a few weeks ago about a guy buying a signed book on Yahoo auctions.  It was kind of interesting, the seller lost, but I think both parties were kind of loopy. As far as court shows go, Judge Mathis rocks, so does Judge Mablean on Divorce Court.  They are by far the best! the vast majority of these ‘TV judges ‘ are an embarrassment to the legal system, and mostly to the profession of Law. The worst is the Latina from Miami, super bitch ( marilyn something ), and the AA from Detroit, Greg Mathis. Neither one could write a writ of anything, let alone pass judgement on anybody / anything. fq

Please present your evidence.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Tony Cooper" wrote As I understand it, both parties get an appearance fee for being on the show.  The judgement comes out of the fee paid by the loser.  So if both parties get $ xx.xx as an appearance fee, the winner gets $ xx.xx plus the judgement, and the loser gets $ xx.xx less the judgement.  I tried to read the small print on the screen after the show, and I think that’s what it said. I thought that it all came out of a "pot" – the winner got the judgement paid from the pot and the loser split the remainder of the pot with the winner. That’s essentially the same thing that Tony said. You’re just calling the appearance fees the pot.

But I thought that the appearance fee depended on the amount of the pot, and if a plaintiff won the entire amount of the pot, then the defendant wouldn’t get anything but paid travel. A

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I watched the episode (yes, I Tivo Judge Judy – so shoot me). Not at all.  Watching JJ tear into stupid people is quite satisfying.  We could use more of it on TV. ef People’s Court had one a few weeks ago about a guy buying a signed book on Yahoo auctions.  It was kind of interesting, the seller lost, but I think both parties were kind of loopy. As far as court shows go, Judge Mathis rocks, so does Judge Mablean on Divorce Court.  They are by far the best! the vast majority of these ‘TV judges ‘ are an embarrassment to the legal system, and mostly to the profession of Law. The worst is the Latina from Miami, super bitch ( marilyn something ), and the AA from Detroit, Greg Mathis. Neither one could write a writ of anything, let alone pass judgement on anybody / anything.

" Judge Milian spent a year at Harvard Law School as the director of training for the Guatemala Project, responsible for training the Guatemalan trial judiciary, defense, and prosecution bar in investigatory and trial techniques. After Janet Reno hired her, she served from 1984-1994 as an assistant state attorney for the Dade County State Attorney’s Office, followed by an appointment by then-Gov. Lawton Chiles to a five-year stint in the Miami County Court in the Domestic Violence, Criminal. and Civil Divisions. In 1999, Florida Gov. Jeb Bush appointed her to the Miami Circuit Court, where she served in the Criminal Division. "Originally from Queens, N.Y., Judge Milian moved to Miami with her family when she was a child. She received her undergraduate degree from the University of Miami, graduating summa cum laude with a 4.0 grade average. She then graduated cum laude from Georgetown Law School. " Sounds like she can out writ you any old day…. A

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I watched the episode (yes, I Tivo Judge Judy – so shoot me). Not at all.  Watching JJ tear into stupid people is quite satisfying.  We could use more of it on TV. ef People’s Court had one a few weeks ago about a guy buying a signed book on Yahoo auctions.  It was kind of interesting, the seller lost, but I think both parties were kind of loopy. As far as court shows go, Judge Mathis rocks, so does Judge Mablean on Divorce Court.  They are by far the best!

the vast majority of these ‘TV judges ‘ are an embarrassment to the legal system, and mostly to the profession of Law. The worst is the Latina from Miami, super bitch ( marilyn something ), and the AA from Detroit, Greg Mathis. Neither one could write a writ of anything, let alone pass judgement on anybody / anything. fq

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"Tony Cooper" wrote As I understand it, both parties get an appearance fee for being on the show.  The judgement comes out of the fee paid by the loser.  So if both parties get $ xx.xx as an appearance fee, the winner gets $ xx.xx plus the judgement, and the loser gets $ xx.xx less the judgement.  I tried to read the small print on the screen after the show, and I think that’s what it said. I thought that it all came out of a "pot" – the winner got the judgement paid from the pot and the loser split the remainder of the pot with the winner.

That’s essentially the same thing that Tony said. You’re just calling the appearance fees the pot. —-== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com – Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==—- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups —-= East and West-Coast Server Farms – Total Privacy via Encryption =—-

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I was sorting some family pictures and had the TV running in the background.  Judge Judy had a case where a Buyer bought a jet ski for $1800 on eBay.  Too complicated to go into, but it would have been an interesting thread for amoe. — Tony Cooper Orlando FL

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I was sorting some family pictures and had the TV running in the background.  Judge Judy had a case where a Buyer bought a jet ski for $1800 on eBay.  Too complicated to go into, but it would have been an interesting thread for amoe. — Tony Cooper Orlando FL

Believe it or not, it’s now a thread in amoe. I watched the episode (yes, I Tivo Judge Judy – so shoot me).  The buyer was suing the seller for the return of the money he paid for the jet ski and legal fees he incurred.  The buyer stopped payment on the check after receiving the ski so the seller called the police and had him arrested.  The buyer was forced to pay the seller or risk going to jail.  The buyer alleged that the seller misrepresented the ski in the ad.  They had the ad and it stated that the ski didn’t run and was sold as-is.  Long story short – the buyer lied many times (in court and out) and lost the case.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was sorting some family pictures and had the TV running in the background.  Judge Judy had a case where a Buyer bought a jet ski for $1800 on eBay.  Too complicated to go into, but it would have been an interesting thread for amoe. — Tony Cooper Orlando FL Believe it or not, it’s now a thread in amoe. I watched the episode (yes, I Tivo Judge Judy – so shoot me).

You think she’s hardcore, you should meet her husband! The buyer was suing the seller for the return of the money he paid for the jet ski and legal fees he incurred.  The buyer stopped payment on the check after receiving the ski so the seller called the police and had him arrested. The buyer was forced to pay the seller or risk going to jail.  The buyer alleged that the seller misrepresented the ski in the ad.  They had the ad and it stated that the ski didn’t run and was sold as-is.  Long story short – the buyer lied many times (in court and out) and lost the case.

What a dweeb. Thing is, on those shows both parties get paid the complete amount settled–no one goes home empty-handed.  It’s all about who is right or wrong in the mind of Judge Judy.

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I watched the episode (yes, I Tivo Judge Judy – so shoot me).

Not at all.  Watching JJ tear into stupid people is quite satisfying.  We could use more of it on TV. ef

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was sorting some family pictures and had the TV running in the background.  Judge Judy had a case where a Buyer bought a jet ski for $1800 on eBay.  Too complicated to go into, but it would have been an interesting thread for amoe. — Tony Cooper Orlando FL Believe it or not, it’s now a thread in amoe. I watched the episode (yes, I Tivo Judge Judy – so shoot me). You think she’s hardcore, you should meet her husband!

I used to watch People’s Court when he was on.  He was all bark and no bite. I think she wears the pants in that family. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The buyer was suing the seller for the return of the money he paid for the jet ski and legal fees he incurred.  The buyer stopped payment on the check after receiving the ski so the seller called the police and had him arrested. The buyer was forced to pay the seller or risk going to jail.  The buyer alleged that the seller misrepresented the ski in the ad.  They had the ad and it stated that the ski didn’t run and was sold as-is.  Long story short – the buyer lied many times (in court and out) and lost the case. What a dweeb. Thing is, on those shows both parties get paid the complete amount settled–no one goes home empty-handed.  It’s all about who is right or wrong in the mind of Judge Judy.

I believe only the winner gets paid, but it comes from a fund, not the loser’s pocket.

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Thing is, on those shows both parties get paid the complete amount settled–no one goes home empty-handed.  It’s all about who is right or wrong in the mind of Judge Judy.

As I understand it, both parties get an appearance fee for being on the show.  The judgement comes out of the fee paid by the loser.  So if both parties get $ xx.xx as an appearance fee, the winner gets $ xx.xx plus the judgement, and the loser gets $ xx.xx less the judgement.  I tried to read the small print on the screen after the show, and I think that’s what it said. — Tony Cooper Orlando FL

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I watched the episode (yes, I Tivo Judge Judy – so shoot me). Not at all.  Watching JJ tear into stupid people is quite satisfying.  We could use more of it on TV. ef

People’s Court had one a few weeks ago about a guy buying a signed book on Yahoo auctions.  It was kind of interesting, the seller lost, but I think both parties were kind of loopy. As far as court shows go, Judge Mathis rocks, so does Judge Mablean on Divorce Court.  They are by far the best!

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Thing is, on those shows both parties get paid the complete amount settled–no one goes home empty-handed.  It’s all about who is right or wrong in the mind of Judge Judy. As I understand it, both parties get an appearance fee for being on the show.  The judgement comes out of the fee paid by the loser.  So if both parties get $ xx.xx as an appearance fee, the winner gets $ xx.xx plus the judgement, and the loser gets $ xx.xx less the judgement.  I tried to read the small print on the screen after the show, and I think that’s what it said.

I thought that it all came out of a "pot" – the winner got the judgement paid from the pot and the loser split the remainder of the pot with the winner. A

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On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 10:42:47 GMT, Dustbin – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<dustbin_addr…@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >Hardpan wrote: >> On 9 Apr 2005 16:47:59 -0700, "Conrad" <eremit…@lycos.com> wrote: >>>Skinn…@hotmail.com wrote: >>>>On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 03:24:33 -0700, Hardpan <hard…@yahoo.com> >>>wrote: >>>>>On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 00:00:30 -0400, Skinn…@hotmail.com wrote: >>>>>>On 8 Apr 2005 20:49:42 -0700, "Largo" <coats2…@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>Hummm…… My father gave me the same speech when I was 17… >>>and >>>>>>>had >>>>>>>>lagged behind most of my classmates. And here I am, 50…. >>>having >>>>>>>>spent a life building a character that I think is pretty strong. >>>Most >>>>>>>>of my aquaintences think so too. My employers seem to think so >>>>>>>too…. >>>>>>>>as do my co-workers. I was moved to another team… and got my >>>first >>>>>>>>sale on a totally new product line on my second day… an >>>unheard of >>>>>>>>occourance…. and all my old team members, who are in >>>competition >>>>>>>>with my new team…. came over and cheered for me. That was >>>something >>>>>>>>that has never been done in this office either. That’s >>>character. >>>>>>>>And yet I sit here alone… never having been chosen. So, tell >>>me…. >>>>>>>>how does that play into your theory? >>>>>>>What else in your life IS working? Surely at 50 you’ve >>>accomplished so >>>>>>>much in other areas of your life that this one problem–no luck >>>with >>>>>>>women-doesn’t extinguish the good stuff shining brightly on the >>>other >>>>>>>facets of your life? >>>>>>>Coats >>>>>>Sure I have accomplished a few things. Nothing to brag about >>>though. >>>>>>Good thing too cause who would I brag to? >>>>>>See, accomplishments are only good for the fleeting moment after >>>>>>achieved. After that if you have nobody to share those memories >>>>>>with…. Nobody to share the combined memories with… what good >>>are >>>>>>they? >>>>>Plenty, if you ask me. >>>>>Success breeds success, and everyone loves a winner. >>>>>And don’t forget that when Dr. Death comes a calling for those who >>>>>remember those "shared" memories, even that solace goes out the >>>>>window. >>>>>In the end, it all comes down to _you_, as an individual, not as a >>>>>couple or as part of a group, which are transitory, at best. >>>>True….. >>>>But the time inbetween birth and death can be long and tiresome and >>>>having a partner to share things with certainly would have made it a >>>>little more enjoyable. >>>>Or are you telling me that this aspect of life isn’t worth my >>>>lamenting? >>>And reproducing has also generally been looked upon as an important >>>part of life. Even if he doesn’t consciously want to sire bairnies, a >>>man’s desire for female company shows that the underlying instincts are >>>still at work. >> Thankfully, I have never ever wanted to have children myself and many >> Men only put up with the reproduction of rug-rats because their women >> have a biological clock ticking away like a time bomb, and she will >> cut off the sex/love in a heartbeat when she figures this fact out. >> Once women have the kids, many a Man has felt the gentle sound of a >> policemans’ rap upside his head, after the women decides that she no >> longer is in "love" with him, whatever that word means to a women, and >> gives him the boot out the very door, that he bought and paid for with >> years of hard work, with a call to 911 claiming that he was abusive or >> some other made-up nonsense. >> In my long experience on this world, the word "love" is used by >> most western women to justify and rationalize just about everything >> they do romantically and often things otherwise, as well. >> "Love" is just an excuse to whore around and nothing more for most >> women these days. >> More and more women had better get used to the idea that they will >> never, EVER be married to a sane, rational Man until their is some >> equality in the laws governing marriage, divorce and child support. >That is the very point. >Ever since shortly after my divorce I have been >saying that I would never have got married had >the fascists of State told the truth about the >legal system instead of filling our heads with >LIES about the right to be innocent until proven >guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. >Shortly after arriving at that conclusion I also >concluded that to marry would be grounds for >psychiatric incarceration of a man because it >amounts to self-harming. The only reason that >this is not true is because we are LIED to LIED >to and LIED to about the wonderfull rights that >we are supposed to have in the legal system. >Thus the man is misled into this action.

There are no rights, when it comes to the male partner, except those few bones the Judge might throw his way. Very doubtful these days, in most cases. These days marriage for most couples is a complete economic disaster for the Man, and a legal tool of extortion and blackmail by the woman.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Skinn…@hotmail.com wrote: > On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 03:24:33 -0700, Hardpan <hard…@yahoo.com> wrote: > > On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 00:00:30 -0400, Skinn…@hotmail.com wrote: > >>On 8 Apr 2005 20:49:42 -0700, "Largo" <coats2…@yahoo.com> wrote: > >>>> Hummm…… My father gave me the same speech when I was 17… > and > > > > had > >>>> lagged behind most of my classmates. And here I am, 50…. having > >>>> spent a life building a character that I think is pretty strong. > Most >>>> of my aquaintences think so too. My employers seem to think > so > > > > too…. > >>>> as do my co-workers. I was moved to another team… and got my > first >>>> sale on a totally new product line on my second day… an > unheard of >>>> occourance…. and all my old team members, who are > in competition >>>> with my new team…. came over and cheered for > me. That was something >>>> that has never been done in this office > either. That’s character. > >>>> And yet I sit here alone… never having been chosen. So, tell > me….  >>>> how does that play into your theory? > > > > What else in your life IS working? Surely at 50 you’ve > > > > accomplished so much in other areas of your life that this one > > > > problem–no luck with women-doesn’t extinguish the good stuff > > > > shining brightly on the other facets of your life? > > > > Coats > > > Sure I have accomplished a few things. Nothing to brag about > > > though.  Good thing too cause who would I brag to? > > > See, accomplishments are only good for the fleeting moment after > > > achieved. After that if you have nobody to share those memories > > > with…. Nobody to share the combined memories with… what good > > > are they? > > Plenty, if you ask me. > > Success breeds success, and everyone loves a winner. > > And don’t forget that when Dr. Death comes a calling for those who > > remember those "shared" memories, even that solace goes out the > > window. > > In the end, it all comes down to you, as an individual, not as a > > couple or as part of a group, which are transitory, at best. > True….. > But the time inbetween birth and death can be long and tiresome and

II found dat line verlly funny for sum reason. > having a partner to share things with certainly would have made it a > little more enjoyable.

hacing teh rong partner iz worse than beink alone. > Or are you telling me that this aspect of life isn’t worth my > lamenting?

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On 9 Apr 2005 14:20:54 -0700, "Largo" <coats2…@yahoo.com> wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> >Plenty, if you ask me. >> >Success breeds success, and everyone loves a winner. >> >And don’t forget that when Dr. Death comes a calling for those who >> >remember those "shared" memories, even that solace goes out the >> >window. >> >In the end, it all comes down to _you_, as an individual, not as a >> >couple or as part of a group, which are transitory, at best. >Nice words from an unexpected source! >> True….. >> But the time inbetween birth and death can be long and tiresome and >> having a partner to share things with certainly would have made it a >> little more enjoyable. >> Or are you telling me that this aspect of life isn’t worth my >> lamenting? >If coming here and doing a bit of the lamenting thing is a help, lament >away my friend. As a guy who also was destined to have no chance with >the whole romantic thing, your bad feelings are understandable to me. I >wore the same wounds, and even though, luckily for me, they healed >years ago, I still remember how dreadful it felt.

Someone who get’s it. I would say it’s nice to know somebody else understands… but to be truthful I would rather NOBODY ever understand this! If youo get my drift. >However, occasional lamenting should be followed with action lest it >lead to more lamenting.

How true. I never did condone extended self pity. A little is OK. I mean, youo SHOULD be youor own best friend and who else to better console you than yourself right?  But too much becomes counter productive. >Don’t you hate that song and dance about how it will all work out for >you just like it did for most other people? Even I used to get a little >of that.

As I have said many many times in here. Their intentions are good but they just don;t understand. >I won’t give you that song and dance. For some people, it just won’t >happen. For you. For me. For whatever sad person is behind Darkfalz. >For Mark. For SS. For Mzsmanic. For others I can’t think of off the top >of my head. We are alone. We always will be. Nothing will ever change >that. Forever. But it’s what you do after you realize that that >matters. Fate slapped you when you were dealt the cards you were. Are >you going to let it slap you again? These words won’t mean anything >when your temporily depressed, like now apparently. Save them for >later.

Actually I am not miserable over this. I am sad from time to time. I imagine as spring springs and I get out more and see all the couples I will get those pangs… but for the most part I now accept my place in society and my lot in life. >Which brings me to my second point. Another thing I won’t give you is >any variation of that sickening old saw, "Don’t worry, be happy." You >feel bad right now. (If I’m reading your words correctly.) Nothing will >change that in the immediate instance. Go on feeling bad for a while. >Wallow in it a little. But here’s my method to forge ahead: when I get >down, I know–at least the objective, unemotional side of me >knows–that I will eventually feel better. And that future point is my >lighthouse. I plod towards it through the dark, feeling bad all the >way, but I have always, eventually, reached it. So have you, or you >wouldn’t be here at 50.

Ya, I do things that make me feel good. I enjoy being nice to people and being friendly. I like working with people too. I really am a people person and that suits me occutaion in Sales and Marketing well. I like photography and work hard at that trying to get better and better. I paint some… and draw/sketch. And I play on the computer like here. You find things to occupy your time with and you tolerate those who feel it’s their duty in life to figgure out why you aren’t married… and those who, though well meaning, try to make you realize that you are wrong and that happiness lies arounbd the next cornet. They don;t understand that happiness is what you make it. >Finally, another thing that’s always helped me, strangely, is letting >my objective side look at my problems with life and compare them with >the "long view." For thousands of years, people have succeeded and >failed, prospered or not, obtained intimacy or not. And they’re all >dead. Inside fifty years max, you’ll me dead. I’ll be dead. Those who >enter the river of time after us will bloom, wilt and die. What are >your intangible worries when placed alongside the concept of eternity?

Yep. Grains of sand and all  that. I am also a military historian (amatuer) and I look back at the wars of the ancient worls and try to imagine the people that fought and dies 2000 years ago…. and what their sacrifices meant to the world today. Not everybody can make earth changing effects with their lives…. funny too how some people will accept this fact… yet balk at the premise that not everybody finds a mate!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Coats >P.S. This poem always resonated with me when I looked at the "long >view"–particularly the last third, which I’ve committed to memory and >separated from the rest. It has long been popular among Americans as a >soothing, objective and nonreligious look at death. >Thanatopsis >by William Cullen Bryant >To him who in the love of Nature holds >Communion with her visible forms, she speaks >A various language; for his gayer hours >She has a voice of gladness, and a smile >And eloquence of beauty, and she glides >Into his darker musings, with a mild >And gentle sympathy, that steals away >Their sharpness, ere he is aware. When thoughts >Of the last bitter hour come like a blight >Over thy spirit, and sad images >Of the stern agony, and shroud, and pall, >And breathless darkness, and the narrow house, >Make thee to shudder, and grow sick at heart;– >Go forth under the open sky, and list >To Nature’s teachings, while from all around– >Earth and her waters, and the depths of air,– >Comes a still voice–Yet a few days, and thee >The all-beholding sun shall see no more >In all his course; nor yet in the cold ground, >Where thy pale form was laid, with many tears, >Nor in the embrace of ocean shall exist >Thy image. Earth, that hourished thee, shall claim >Thy growth, to be resolv’d to earth again; >And, lost each human trace, surrend’ring up >Thine individual being, shalt thou go >To mix forever with the elements, >To be a brother to th’ insensible rock >And to the sluggish clod, which the rude swain >Turns with his share, and treads upon. The oak >Shall send his roots abroad, and pierce thy mould. >Yet not to thy eternal resting place >Shalt thou retire alone–nor couldst thou wish >Couch more magnificent. Thou shalt lie down >, With patriarchs of the infant world–with kings >The powerful of the earth–the wise, the good, >Fair forms, and hoary seers of ages past, >All in one mighty sepulchre.–The hills >Rock-ribb’d and ancient as the sun,–the vales >Stretching in pensive quietness between; >The vernal woods–rivers that move >In majesty, and the complaining brooks >That make the meadows green; and pour’d round all, >Old ocean’s grey and melancholy waste,– >Are but the solemn decorations all >Of the great tomb of man. The golden sun, >The planets, all the infinite host of heaven, >Are shining on the sad abodes of death, >Through the still lapse of ages. All that tread >The globe are but a handful to the tribes >That slumber in its bosom.–Take the wings >Of morning–and the Barcan desert pierce, >Or lost thyself in the continuous woods >Where rolls the Oregan, and hears no sound, >Save his own dashings–yet–the dead are there, >And millions in those solitudes, since first >The flight of years began, have laid them down >In their last sleep–the dead reign there alone. >So shalt thou rest–and what if thou shalt fall >Unnoticed by the living–and no friend >Take note of thy departure? All that breathe >Will share thy destiny. The gay will laugh, >When thou art gone, the solemn brood of care >Plod on, and each one as before will chase >His favourite phantom; yet all these shall leave >Their mirth and their employments, and shall come, >And make their bed with thee. As the long train >Of ages glide away, the sons of men, >The youth in life’s green spring, and he who goes >In the full strength of years, matron, and maid, >The bow’d with age, the infant in the smiles >And beauty of its innocent age cut off,– >Shall one by one be gathered to thy side, >By those, who in their turn shall follow them. >So live, that when thy summons comes to join >The innumerable caravan, that moves >To the pale realms of shade, where each shall take >His chamber in the silent halls of death, >Thou go not, like the quarry-slave at night, >Scourged to his dungeon, but sustain’d and sooth’d >By an unfaltering trust, approach thy grave, >Like one who wraps the drapery of his couch >About him, and lies down to pleasant dreams.

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<SNIP> >And reproducing has also generally been looked upon as an important >part of life. Even if he doesn’t consciously want to sire bairnies, a >man’s desire for female company shows that the underlying instincts are >still at work.

I think it’s just a little more base than that. Everybody needs to know they are loved. It gives the person justification that they are on the right track as a person. It gives them consolance against the bad they see daily.

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<SNIP> >> True….. >> But the time inbetween birth and death can be long and tiresome and >II found dat line verlly funny for sum reason.

Ummm, Ok. But it wasn’t meant to be funny. >> having a partner to share things with certainly would have made it a >> little more enjoyable. >hacing teh rong partner iz worse than beink alone.

Think so? How about never having a partner at all? But you won;t ever be in that position will you? Yes. Making a wrong choice is bad but think of this….. Even the Bad guy accepted you for some reason….. I wasn’t even good enough for the bad ones. How’s that grab ya? I wasn’t even good enough to be a mistake. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> Or are you telling me that this aspect of life isn’t worth my >> lamenting?

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Skinn…@hotmail.com wrote: > <SNIP> > >> True….. > >> But the time inbetween birth and death can be long and tiresome and > > II found dat line verlly funny for sum reason. > Ummm, Ok. But it wasn’t meant to be funny.

I know. mebbe I wuz laffin becawse of teh succint truth in in. > >> having a partner to share things with certainly would have made it > a >> little more enjoyable. > > hacing teh rong partner iz worse than beink alone. > Think so? How about never having a partner at all? But you won;t ever > be in that position will you? Yes. Making a wrong choice is bad but > think of this…..

if u neber had it I dunno.  mah sister neber hace had a bf. she is 47. she doesnt seem to mind. > Even the Bad guy accepted you for some reason…..

prolly becauseee he got what he wantedd owt of teh marriage > I wasn’t even good enough for the bad ones. How’s that grab ya? > I wasn’t even good enough to be a mistake.

u sound like u hace giben up. dont gibe up. I dont no u at alle but surely there iz something about u others would like. or hace u just not been tryink at all? > >> Or are you telling me that this aspect of life isn’t worth my > >> lamenting?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hardpan wrote: > On 9 Apr 2005 16:47:59 -0700, "Conrad" <eremit…@lycos.com> wrote: >>Skinn…@hotmail.com wrote: >>>On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 03:24:33 -0700, Hardpan <hard…@yahoo.com> >>wrote: >>>>On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 00:00:30 -0400, Skinn…@hotmail.com wrote: >>>>>On 8 Apr 2005 20:49:42 -0700, "Largo" <coats2…@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>Hummm…… My father gave me the same speech when I was 17… >>and >>>>>>had >>>>>>>lagged behind most of my classmates. And here I am, 50…. >>having >>>>>>>spent a life building a character that I think is pretty strong. >>Most >>>>>>>of my aquaintences think so too. My employers seem to think so >>>>>>too…. >>>>>>>as do my co-workers. I was moved to another team… and got my >>first >>>>>>>sale on a totally new product line on my second day… an >>unheard of >>>>>>>occourance…. and all my old team members, who are in >>competition >>>>>>>with my new team…. came over and cheered for me. That was >>something >>>>>>>that has never been done in this office either. That’s >>character. >>>>>>>And yet I sit here alone… never having been chosen. So, tell >>me…. >>>>>>>how does that play into your theory? >>>>>>What else in your life IS working? Surely at 50 you’ve >>accomplished so >>>>>>much in other areas of your life that this one problem–no luck >>with >>>>>>women-doesn’t extinguish the good stuff shining brightly on the >>other >>>>>>facets of your life? >>>>>>Coats >>>>>Sure I have accomplished a few things. Nothing to brag about >>though. >>>>>Good thing too cause who would I brag to? >>>>>See, accomplishments are only good for the fleeting moment after >>>>>achieved. After that if you have nobody to share those memories >>>>>with…. Nobody to share the combined memories with… what good >>are >>>>>they? >>>>Plenty, if you ask me. >>>>Success breeds success, and everyone loves a winner. >>>>And don’t forget that when Dr. Death comes a calling for those who >>>>remember those "shared" memories, even that solace goes out the >>>>window. >>>>In the end, it all comes down to _you_, as an individual, not as a >>>>couple or as part of a group, which are transitory, at best. >>>True….. >>>But the time inbetween birth and death can be long and tiresome and >>>having a partner to share things with certainly would have made it a >>>little more enjoyable. >>>Or are you telling me that this aspect of life isn’t worth my >>>lamenting? >>And reproducing has also generally been looked upon as an important >>part of life. Even if he doesn’t consciously want to sire bairnies, a >>man’s desire for female company shows that the underlying instincts are >>still at work. > Thankfully, I have never ever wanted to have children myself and many > Men only put up with the reproduction of rug-rats because their women > have a biological clock ticking away like a time bomb, and she will > cut off the sex/love in a heartbeat when she figures this fact out. > Once women have the kids, many a Man has felt the gentle sound of a > policemans’ rap upside his head, after the women decides that she no > longer is in "love" with him, whatever that word means to a women, and > gives him the boot out the very door, that he bought and paid for with > years of hard work, with a call to 911 claiming that he was abusive or > some other made-up nonsense. > In my long experience on this world, the word "love" is used by > most western women to justify and rationalize just about everything > they do romantically and often things otherwise, as well. > "Love" is just an excuse to whore around and nothing more for most > women these days. > More and more women had better get used to the idea that they will > never, EVER be married to a sane, rational Man until their is some > equality in the laws governing marriage, divorce and child support.

That is the very point. Ever since shortly after my divorce I have been saying that I would never have got married had the fascists of State told the truth about the legal system instead of filling our heads with LIES about the right to be innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Shortly after arriving at that conclusion I also concluded that to marry would be grounds for psychiatric incarceration of a man because it amounts to self-harming. The only reason that this is not true is because we are LIED to LIED to and LIED to about the wonderfull rights that we are supposed to have in the legal system. Thus the man is misled into this action. D. D.

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On 10 Apr 2005 06:34:34 GMT, "Ms Pnoopie Pnats" <n…@not.com> wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Skinn…@hotmail.com wrote: >> <SNIP> >> >> True….. >> >> But the time inbetween birth and death can be long and tiresome and >> > II found dat line verlly funny for sum reason. >> Ummm, Ok. But it wasn’t meant to be funny. >I know. mebbe I wuz laffin becawse of teh succint truth in in. >> >> having a partner to share things with certainly would have made it >> a >> little more enjoyable. >> > hacing teh rong partner iz worse than beink alone. >> Think so? How about never having a partner at all? But you won;t ever >> be in that position will you? Yes. Making a wrong choice is bad but >> think of this….. >if u neber had it I dunno.  mah sister neber hace had a bf. she is 47. >she doesnt seem to mind. >> Even the Bad guy accepted you for some reason….. >prolly becauseee he got what he wantedd owt of teh marriage >> I wasn’t even good enough for the bad ones. How’s that grab ya? >> I wasn’t even good enough to be a mistake. >u sound like u hace giben up. dont gibe up. I dont no u at alle but >surely there iz something about u others would like. or hace u just not >been tryink at all?

Apparently not enough to take home for even a part time pet. And like your sister…. I am not particularly concerned anymore. I’m too old for that sappy crap anyway. But it might have been nice… or even different had I been seen for the man I am instead of the package I reside in. And every woman that thinks she is fat… or thinks her hair is the worst in the world…. Or thinks he3r boobs are too small…. or her ass too big…. Well every one of them knows a little of what I have dealt wtih every time they get overlooked or tossed aside…. but they all totally miss the point. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> >> Or are you telling me that this aspect of life isn’t worth my >> >> lamenting?

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—–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—– Hash: SHA1 In article <a891d8002df92b217964db504c320…@localhost.talkaboutsupport.com> RonW <rtw…@hotmail.com> wrote: >Why is it (if thats the case) ’someone elses’ fault he hasn’t been >chosen?  He can choose just like anyone else.

"Which one of these 0 women would you like to choose, sir?" >Again, maybe some puzzle pieces need to be fitted in before I can >comment and/or advise on this.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Skinn…@hotmail.com wrote: > On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 03:24:33 -0700, Hardpan <hard…@yahoo.com> wrote: > >On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 00:00:30 -0400, Skinn…@hotmail.com wrote: > >>On 8 Apr 2005 20:49:42 -0700, "Largo" <coats2…@yahoo.com> wrote: > >>>> Hummm…… My father gave me the same speech when I was 17… and > >>>had > >>>> lagged behind most of my classmates. And here I am, 50…. having > >>>> spent a life building a character that I think is pretty strong. Most > >>>> of my aquaintences think so too. My employers seem to think so > >>>too…. > >>>> as do my co-workers. I was moved to another team… and got my first > >>>> sale on a totally new product line on my second day… an unheard of > >>>> occourance…. and all my old team members, who are in competition > >>>> with my new team…. came over and cheered for me. That was something > >>>> that has never been done in this office either. That’s character. > >>>> And yet I sit here alone… never having been chosen. So, tell me…. > >>>> how does that play into your theory? > >>>What else in your life IS working? Surely at 50 you’ve accomplished so > >>>much in other areas of your life that this one problem–no luck with > >>>women-doesn’t extinguish the good stuff shining brightly on the other > >>>facets of your life? > >>>Coats > >>Sure I have accomplished a few things. Nothing to brag about though. > >>Good thing too cause who would I brag to? > >>See, accomplishments are only good for the fleeting moment after > >>achieved. After that if you have nobody to share those memories > >>with…. Nobody to share the combined memories with… what good are > >>they? > >Plenty, if you ask me. > >Success breeds success, and everyone loves a winner. > >And don’t forget that when Dr. Death comes a calling for those who > >remember those "shared" memories, even that solace goes out the > >window. > >In the end, it all comes down to _you_, as an individual, not as a > >couple or as part of a group, which are transitory, at best. > True….. > But the time inbetween birth and death can be long and tiresome and > having a partner to share things with certainly would have made it a > little more enjoyable. > Or are you telling me that this aspect of life isn’t worth my > lamenting?

And reproducing has also generally been looked upon as an important part of life. Even if he doesn’t consciously want to sire bairnies, a man’s desire for female company shows that the underlying instincts are still at work.

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I’m not entirely clear what the problem is here. Obviously this guy’s doing something right. He has good work ethic as part of his character and is being recognized for it. I guess the ‘never been chosen’ comment doesn’t make much sense. Does he mean relationshipwise? (assuming thats the case since the article is taken from date.com)   Why is it (if thats the case) ’someone elses’ fault he hasn’t been chosen?  He can choose just like anyone else. Again, maybe some puzzle pieces need to be fitted in before I can comment and/or advise on this. RW

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> >Plenty, if you ask me. > >Success breeds success, and everyone loves a winner. > >And don’t forget that when Dr. Death comes a calling for those who > >remember those "shared" memories, even that solace goes out the > >window. > >In the end, it all comes down to _you_, as an individual, not as a > >couple or as part of a group, which are transitory, at best.

Nice words from an unexpected source! > True….. > But the time inbetween birth and death can be long and tiresome and > having a partner to share things with certainly would have made it a > little more enjoyable. > Or are you telling me that this aspect of life isn’t worth my > lamenting?

If coming here and doing a bit of the lamenting thing is a help, lament away my friend. As a guy who also was destined to have no chance with the whole romantic thing, your bad feelings are understandable to me. I wore the same wounds, and even though, luckily for me, they healed years ago, I still remember how dreadful it felt. However, occasional lamenting should be followed with action lest it lead to more lamenting. Don’t you hate that song and dance about how it will all work out for you just like it did for most other people? Even I used to get a little of that. I won’t give you that song and dance. For some people, it just won’t happen. For you. For me. For whatever sad person is behind Darkfalz. For Mark. For SS. For Mzsmanic. For others I can’t think of off the top of my head. We are alone. We always will be. Nothing will ever change that. Forever. But it’s what you do after you realize that that matters. Fate slapped you when you were dealt the cards you were. Are you going to let it slap you again? These words won’t mean anything when your temporily depressed, like now apparently. Save them for later. Which brings me to my second point. Another thing I won’t give you is any variation of that sickening old saw, "Don’t worry, be happy." You feel bad right now. (If I’m reading your words correctly.) Nothing will change that in the immediate instance. Go on feeling bad for a while. Wallow in it a little. But here’s my method to forge ahead: when I get down, I know–at least the objective, unemotional side of me knows–that I will eventually feel better. And that future point is my lighthouse. I plod towards it through the dark, feeling bad all the way, but I have always, eventually, reached it. So have you, or you wouldn’t be here at 50. Finally, another thing that’s always helped me, strangely, is letting my objective side look at my problems with life and compare them with the "long view." For thousands of years, people have succeeded and failed, prospered or not, obtained intimacy or not. And they’re all dead. Inside fifty years max, you’ll me dead. I’ll be dead. Those who enter the river of time after us will bloom, wilt and die. What are your intangible worries when placed alongside the concept of eternity? Coats P.S. This poem always resonated with me when I looked at the "long view"–particularly the last third, which I’ve committed to memory and separated from the rest. It has long been popular among Americans as a soothing, objective and nonreligious look at death. Thanatopsis by William Cullen Bryant To him who in the love of Nature holds Communion with her visible forms, she speaks A various language; for his gayer hours She has a voice of gladness, and a smile And eloquence of beauty, and she glides Into his darker musings, with a mild And gentle sympathy, that steals away Their sharpness, ere he is aware. When thoughts Of the last bitter hour come like a blight Over thy spirit, and sad images Of the stern agony, and shroud, and pall, And breathless darkness, and the narrow house, Make thee to shudder, and grow sick at heart;– Go forth under the open sky, and list To Nature’s teachings, while from all around– Earth and her waters, and the depths of air,– Comes a still voice–Yet a few days, and thee The all-beholding sun shall see no more In all his course; nor yet in the cold ground, Where thy pale form was laid, with many tears, Nor in the embrace of ocean shall exist Thy image. Earth, that hourished thee, shall claim Thy growth, to be resolv’d to earth again; And, lost each human trace, surrend’ring up Thine individual being, shalt thou go To mix forever with the elements, To be a brother to th’ insensible rock And to the sluggish clod, which the rude swain Turns with his share, and treads upon. The oak Shall send his roots abroad, and pierce thy mould. Yet not to thy eternal resting place Shalt thou retire alone–nor couldst thou wish Couch more magnificent. Thou shalt lie down , With patriarchs of the infant world–with kings The powerful of the earth–the wise, the good, Fair forms, and hoary seers of ages past, All in one mighty sepulchre.–The hills Rock-ribb’d and ancient as the sun,–the vales Stretching in pensive quietness between; The vernal woods–rivers that move In majesty, and the complaining brooks That make the meadows green; and pour’d round all, Old ocean’s grey and melancholy waste,– Are but the solemn decorations all Of the great tomb of man. The golden sun, The planets, all the infinite host of heaven, Are shining on the sad abodes of death, Through the still lapse of ages. All that tread The globe are but a handful to the tribes That slumber in its bosom.–Take the wings Of morning–and the Barcan desert pierce, Or lost thyself in the continuous woods Where rolls the Oregan, and hears no sound, Save his own dashings–yet–the dead are there, And millions in those solitudes, since first The flight of years began, have laid them down In their last sleep–the dead reign there alone. So shalt thou rest–and what if thou shalt fall Unnoticed by the living–and no friend Take note of thy departure? All that breathe Will share thy destiny. The gay will laugh, When thou art gone, the solemn brood of care Plod on, and each one as before will chase His favourite phantom; yet all these shall leave Their mirth and their employments, and shall come, And make their bed with thee. As the long train Of ages glide away, the sons of men, The youth in life’s green spring, and he who goes In the full strength of years, matron, and maid, The bow’d with age, the infant in the smiles And beauty of its innocent age cut off,– Shall one by one be gathered to thy side, By those, who in their turn shall follow them. So live, that when thy summons comes to join The innumerable caravan, that moves To the pale realms of shade, where each shall take His chamber in the silent halls of death, Thou go not, like the quarry-slave at night, Scourged to his dungeon, but sustain’d and sooth’d By an unfaltering trust, approach thy grave, Like one who wraps the drapery of his couch About him, and lies down to pleasant dreams.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 03:24:33 -0700, Hardpan <hard…@yahoo.com> wrote: >On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 00:00:30 -0400, Skinn…@hotmail.com wrote: >>On 8 Apr 2005 20:49:42 -0700, "Largo" <coats2…@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> Hummm…… My father gave me the same speech when I was 17… and >>>had >>>> lagged behind most of my classmates. And here I am, 50…. having >>>> spent a life building a character that I think is pretty strong. Most >>>> of my aquaintences think so too. My employers seem to think so >>>too…. >>>> as do my co-workers. I was moved to another team… and got my first >>>> sale on a totally new product line on my second day… an unheard of >>>> occourance…. and all my old team members, who are in competition >>>> with my new team…. came over and cheered for me. That was something >>>> that has never been done in this office either. That’s character. >>>> And yet I sit here alone… never having been chosen. So, tell me…. >>>> how does that play into your theory? >>>What else in your life IS working? Surely at 50 you’ve accomplished so >>>much in other areas of your life that this one problem–no luck with >>>women-doesn’t extinguish the good stuff shining brightly on the other >>>facets of your life? >>>Coats >>Sure I have accomplished a few things. Nothing to brag about though. >>Good thing too cause who would I brag to? >>See, accomplishments are only good for the fleeting moment after >>achieved. After that if you have nobody to share those memories >>with…. Nobody to share the combined memories with… what good are >>they? >Plenty, if you ask me. >Success breeds success, and everyone loves a winner. >And don’t forget that when Dr. Death comes a calling for those who >remember those "shared" memories, even that solace goes out the >window. >In the end, it all comes down to _you_, as an individual, not as a >couple or as part of a group, which are transitory, at best.

True….. But the time inbetween birth and death can be long and tiresome and having a partner to share things with certainly would have made it a little more enjoyable. Or are you telling me that this aspect of life isn’t worth my lamenting?

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> Hummm…… My father gave me the same speech when I was 17… and had > lagged behind most of my classmates. And here I am, 50…. having > spent a life building a character that I think is pretty strong. Most > of my aquaintences think so too. My employers seem to think so too…. > as do my co-workers. I was moved to another team… and got my first > sale on a totally new product line on my second day… an unheard of > occourance…. and all my old team members, who are in competition > with my new team…. came over and cheered for me. That was something > that has never been done in this office either. That’s character. > And yet I sit here alone… never having been chosen. So, tell me…. > how does that play into your theory?

What else in your life IS working? Surely at 50 you’ve accomplished so much in other areas of your life that this one problem–no luck with women-doesn’t extinguish the good stuff shining brightly on the other facets of your life? Coats

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On 8 Apr 2005 20:49:42 -0700, "Largo" <coats2…@yahoo.com> wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> Hummm…… My father gave me the same speech when I was 17… and >had >> lagged behind most of my classmates. And here I am, 50…. having >> spent a life building a character that I think is pretty strong. Most >> of my aquaintences think so too. My employers seem to think so >too…. >> as do my co-workers. I was moved to another team… and got my first >> sale on a totally new product line on my second day… an unheard of >> occourance…. and all my old team members, who are in competition >> with my new team…. came over and cheered for me. That was something >> that has never been done in this office either. That’s character. >> And yet I sit here alone… never having been chosen. So, tell me…. >> how does that play into your theory? >What else in your life IS working? Surely at 50 you’ve accomplished so >much in other areas of your life that this one problem–no luck with >women-doesn’t extinguish the good stuff shining brightly on the other >facets of your life? >Coats

Sure I have accomplished a few things. Nothing to brag about though. Good thing too cause who would I brag to? See, accomplishments are only good for the fleeting moment after achieved. After that if you have nobody to share those memories with…. Nobody to share the combined memories with… what good are they?

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