No Divorce Education

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"Bill in Co." <surly1curmudg…@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:Uo1Id.1448$YD5.704@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> DaKitty wrote: > > "Curious Mind" <mindcuri…@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > news:1106235629.882577.113570@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com… > >> Men and women when holding hand and say "love you till death" in front > >> of the judge have little awareness of statistic dictates their marriage > >> is likely fail. Yet, society hides this fact under the rug quite well. > > Huh? What rock would a person have to be living under to not know the > > divorce rate in the US???? > >> They let you sign the a paper to declare you are now lovely married w/o > >> let you that you are signing a legal contract with all legal > >> consequences and complications come with it, in case the marriage > >> fails. > >> Colleges prepare young boy and girl poorly in this regard, they teach > >> history, art, critical thinking, but never mention about divorce rate > >> in Western societies and its social effect and the burdens for divorced > >> people, and offer no marriage preparations. > >> Why no divorce education topic in college? I like to hear from college > >> curricula policy makers in this matter. > > Parents are supposed to teach kids family values.  Not colleges or > schools. > Yup – Well, they USED to, you mean.    Well, ok, that’s quite not fair. > Many still do, but a LOT don’t.

Yea, many still do… and many don’t.

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"Bill in Co." <surly1curmudg…@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:Qs1Id.1450$YD5.1333@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> DaKitty wrote: > > <ba…@psyber.com> wrote in message > > news:UhTHd.1113$rc4.974@fe07.usenetserver.com… > >> I think people should have to read and sign a disclaimer, advising them > >> of their rights and liabilities before getting married.  We do the > >> same for financial agreements and marriage is the ultimate financial > >> agreement. > >> It’s unfortunate that our laws cause many of us to enter the contract > >> without knowing its conditions. > > It is a personal responsibility of an adult > The Whaaaattttt? > > to know about the consequences > > of any contract they’re entering. I think there’s either a legal > precedent, > > or some other sort of thing that defines that. > > Having your head in the sand and refusing to grow up and pay attention to > > things around you or acting irresponsible doesn’t preclude someone from > > being seen as legally competent to enter a contract. > Does today.

Maybe in some peoples heads. On the books, it still doesn’t. Although, there’s been legal precedents where its’ expected of a large corporation or government to protect people from their own stupidity…

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"Bill in Co." <surly1curmudg…@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:Op1Id.1449$YD5.424@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> DaKitty wrote: > > "Casey" <cclremovethisp…@cox.net> wrote in message > > news:dwQHd.61557$Wo.39558@lakeread08… > >> Curious Mind said > >>> Men and women when holding hand and say "love you till death" in front > >>> of the judge have little awareness of statistic dictates their marriage > >>> is likely fail. Yet, society hides this fact under the rug quite well. > >>> They let you sign the a paper to declare you are now lovely married w/o > >>> let you that you are signing a legal contract with all legal > >>> consequences and complications come with it, in case the marriage > >>> fails. > >>> Colleges prepare young boy and girl poorly in this regard, they teach > >>> history, art, critical thinking, but never mention about divorce rate > >>> in Western societies and its social effect and the burdens for divorced > >>> people, and offer no marriage preparations. > >>> Why no divorce education topic in college? I like to hear from college > >>> curricula policy makers in this matter. > >> For that matter, think how little marriage education the typical person > >> is exposed to before the wedding day.  It would be great if young > >> couples were exposed to some realistic expectations before they were > >> granted a marriage license. > >> It’s a lot harder in the US to get a driver’s license than it is to > >> marry and have children. > > Why is it that people think that government and society should protect > them > > from themselves and make up for what their parents didn’t do (raise them > > with solid family values) > Because that is the way it is today, Kitty.   (I can explain why, but I’d > better not).

I know why as well… It was a rhetorical question. Males me think of when I was 13 or 14, I too thought the world owed me something. I never stayed stuck in that mode though.

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DaKitty wrote: > <ba…@psyber.com> wrote in message > news:UhTHd.1113$rc4.974@fe07.usenetserver.com… >> I think people should have to read and sign a disclaimer, advising them >> of their rights and liabilities before getting married.  We do the >> same for financial agreements and marriage is the ultimate financial >> agreement. >> It’s unfortunate that our laws cause many of us to enter the contract >> without knowing its conditions. > It is a personal responsibility of an adult

The Whaaaattttt? > to know about the consequences > of any contract they’re entering. I think there’s either a legal precedent, > or some other sort of thing that defines that. > Having your head in the sand and refusing to grow up and pay attention to > things around you or acting irresponsible doesn’t preclude someone from > being seen as legally competent to enter a contract.

Does today.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -DaKitty wrote: > "Casey" <cclremovethisp…@cox.net> wrote in message > news:dwQHd.61557$Wo.39558@lakeread08… >> Curious Mind said >>> Men and women when holding hand and say "love you till death" in front >>> of the judge have little awareness of statistic dictates their marriage >>> is likely fail. Yet, society hides this fact under the rug quite well. >>> They let you sign the a paper to declare you are now lovely married w/o >>> let you that you are signing a legal contract with all legal >>> consequences and complications come with it, in case the marriage >>> fails. >>> Colleges prepare young boy and girl poorly in this regard, they teach >>> history, art, critical thinking, but never mention about divorce rate >>> in Western societies and its social effect and the burdens for divorced >>> people, and offer no marriage preparations. >>> Why no divorce education topic in college? I like to hear from college >>> curricula policy makers in this matter. >> For that matter, think how little marriage education the typical person >> is exposed to before the wedding day.  It would be great if young >> couples were exposed to some realistic expectations before they were >> granted a marriage license. >> It’s a lot harder in the US to get a driver’s license than it is to >> marry and have children. > Why is it that people think that government and society should protect them > from themselves and make up for what their parents didn’t do (raise them > with solid family values)

Because that is the way it is today, Kitty.   (I can explain why, but I’d better not). – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Is the only way to get someone to do the right thing to forbid them doing > the wrong thing? Well, look at prohibitions of various sorts, for the most > part, they don’t work. > In catholic Church there is about 6 months waiting and marriage counseling > before they’ll marry you. I’d rather go to church for spiritual matters, > than your average government clerk… Wouldn’t you?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -DaKitty wrote: > "Curious Mind" <mindcuri…@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1106235629.882577.113570@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com… >> Men and women when holding hand and say "love you till death" in front >> of the judge have little awareness of statistic dictates their marriage >> is likely fail. Yet, society hides this fact under the rug quite well. > Huh? What rock would a person have to be living under to not know the > divorce rate in the US???? >> They let you sign the a paper to declare you are now lovely married w/o >> let you that you are signing a legal contract with all legal >> consequences and complications come with it, in case the marriage >> fails. >> Colleges prepare young boy and girl poorly in this regard, they teach >> history, art, critical thinking, but never mention about divorce rate >> in Western societies and its social effect and the burdens for divorced >> people, and offer no marriage preparations. >> Why no divorce education topic in college? I like to hear from college >> curricula policy makers in this matter. > Parents are supposed to teach kids family values.  Not colleges or

schools. Yup – Well, they USED to, you mean.    Well, ok, that’s quite not fair. Many still do, but a LOT don’t.

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<ba…@psyber.com> wrote in message

news:UhTHd.1113$rc4.974@fe07.usenetserver.com… > I think people should have to read and sign a disclaimer, advising them > of their rights and liabilities before getting married.  We do the > same for financial agreements and marriage is the ultimate financial > agreement. > It’s unfortunate that our laws cause many of us to enter the contract > without knowing its conditions.

It is a personal responsibility of an adult to know about the consequences of any contract they’re entering. I think there’s either a legal precedent, or some other sort of thing that defines that. Having your head in the sand and refusing to grow up and pay attention to things around you or acting irresponsible doesn’t preclude someone from being seen as legally competent to enter a contract.

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"Roger (B)" <rcblinn-s…@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

news:EEQHd.18197$SK6.15371@bignews3.bellsouth.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Curious Mind" <mindcuri…@yahoo.com> wrote… > | Why no divorce education topic in college? I like to hear > | from college curricula policy makers in this matter. > A better place would be shop class in HS.  :-) > In Florida, before a clerk issues a marriage license, the > parties must certify that they have read a family law > pamphlet prepared by the Florida Bar which covers this > topic is some detail.  But IMO, that doesn’t go far enuff. > Before a ML is issued, there should be a written test > (perhaps a performance test, as well), which examines > the parties both on their relationship skills and their > knowledge of the state’s divorce law.  [R]

I’d never get married with divorce in mind, and would resent the state requiring me to study up on the divorce law.

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"Curious Mind" <mindcuri…@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:1106235629.882577.113570@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com… > Men and women when holding hand and say "love you till death" in front > of the judge have little awareness of statistic dictates their marriage > is likely fail. Yet, society hides this fact under the rug quite well.

Huh? What rock would a person have to be living under to not know the divorce rate in the US???? > They let you sign the a paper to declare you are now lovely married w/o > let you that you are signing a legal contract with all legal > consequences and complications come with it, in case the marriage > fails. > Colleges prepare young boy and girl poorly in this regard, they teach > history, art, critical thinking, but never mention about divorce rate > in Western societies and its social effect and the burdens for divorced > people, and offer no marriage preparations. > Why no divorce education topic in college? I like to hear from college > curricula policy makers in this matter.

Parents are supposed to teach kids family values. Not colleges or schools.

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"Casey" <cclremovethisp…@cox.net> wrote in message

news:dwQHd.61557$Wo.39558@lakeread08… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Curious Mind said > > Men and women when holding hand and say "love you till death" in front > > of the judge have little awareness of statistic dictates their marriage > > is likely fail. Yet, society hides this fact under the rug quite well. > > They let you sign the a paper to declare you are now lovely married w/o > > let you that you are signing a legal contract with all legal > > consequences and complications come with it, in case the marriage > > fails. > > Colleges prepare young boy and girl poorly in this regard, they teach > > history, art, critical thinking, but never mention about divorce rate > > in Western societies and its social effect and the burdens for divorced > > people, and offer no marriage preparations. > > Why no divorce education topic in college? I like to hear from college > > curricula policy makers in this matter. > For that matter, think how little marriage education the typical person > is exposed to before the wedding day.  It would be great if young > couples were exposed to some realistic expectations before they were > granted a marriage license. > It’s a lot harder in the US to get a driver’s license than it is to > marry and have children.

Why is it that people think that government and society should protect them from themselves and make up for what their parents didn’t do (raise them with solid family values) Is the only way to get someone to do the right thing to forbid them doing the wrong thing? Well, look at prohibitions of various sorts, for the most part, they don’t work. In catholic Church there is about 6 months waiting and marriage counseling before they’ll marry you. I’d rather go to church for spiritual matters, than your average government clerk… Wouldn’t you?

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"Joy" <j…@joydoesntlikespam.com> wrote:

| "Roger (B)" <rcblinn-s…@bellsouth.net> wrote… | > Before a ML is issued, there should be a written test | > (perhaps a performance test, as well), | Performance test?  What did you have in mind? | (Gotta get my mind out of the gutter.) ————————– Why?  Kind’a like a driving test to see how they handle the signs, stop & go, stay within the lines, back up and parallel park.  ;-)  But perhaps an essay would suffice. For the Groom:  Assume that you like football and think that your prospective in-laws are a waste of time.  Your wife enters the room wearing baggy clothes, no makeup, hair in curlers, and says, "Just so you’ll know, we’ll be having dinner at my mother’s every Sunday from now on, even during football."  You respond… For the Bride:  Assume that you’ve just spend a lot of money on clothes for your prospective husband and your mother has just had a serious operation.  Your husband enters room wearing torn, grease-stained T-shirt, stretched out by his gut, and says, "I can’t go with you to see your mother in the hospital, ‘cuz me and my buddies are going mud-bogging this weekend. If she dies, I’ll have the cell." You respond… Note to Clerk:  If they both say, ""F*ck that sh*t," "No way in hell," or the like, they are compatible.  If only one says that and the other says, "Hon, let’s talk about this," then no license.  [R]

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Joy said – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Roger (B)" <rcblinn-s…@bellsouth.net> wrote in message > news:EEQHd.18197$SK6.15371@bignews3.bellsouth.net… > > "Curious Mind" <mindcuri…@yahoo.com> wrote… > > | Why no divorce education topic in college? I like to hear > > | from college curricula policy makers in this matter. > > A better place would be shop class in HS.  :-) > > In Florida, before a clerk issues a marriage license, the > > parties must certify that they have read a family law > > pamphlet prepared by the Florida Bar which covers this > > topic is some detail.  But IMO, that doesn’t go far enuff. > > Before a ML is issued, there should be a written test > > (perhaps a performance test, as well), > Performance test?  What did you have in mind?  (Gotta get my mind out of the > gutter.)

I feel better now … I almost pounced on that one too. Casey

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"Roger (B)" <rcblinn-s…@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

news:EEQHd.18197$SK6.15371@bignews3.bellsouth.net… > "Curious Mind" <mindcuri…@yahoo.com> wrote… > | Why no divorce education topic in college? I like to hear > | from college curricula policy makers in this matter. > A better place would be shop class in HS.  :-) > In Florida, before a clerk issues a marriage license, the > parties must certify that they have read a family law > pamphlet prepared by the Florida Bar which covers this > topic is some detail.  But IMO, that doesn’t go far enuff. > Before a ML is issued, there should be a written test > (perhaps a performance test, as well),

Performance test?  What did you have in mind?  (Gotta get my mind out of the gutter.) which examines – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> the parties both on their relationship skills and their > knowledge of the state’s divorce law.  [R]

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"Curious Mind" <mindcuri…@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:1106235629.882577.113570@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com… > Yet, society hides this fact under the rug quite well. > They let you …

who are "they"?

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Perhaps, instead of a course on divorce….. (I dont think its up to the colleges to teach us about marriage, and Ive seen how colleges can complicate the shit out of the simplest of things) PERHAPS We teach our kids about promises, committment, the seriousness of vows before God, being Un-selfish, and, while we are at it, a work ethic, values, etc. I think that would cure the divorce rate, more then any course. Storm "Curious Mind" <mindcuri…@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:1106235629.882577.113570@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Men and women when holding hand and say "love you till death" in front > of the judge have little awareness of statistic dictates their marriage > is likely fail. Yet, society hides this fact under the rug quite well. > They let you sign the a paper to declare you are now lovely married w/o > let you that you are signing a legal contract with all legal > consequences and complications come with it, in case the marriage > fails. > Colleges prepare young boy and girl poorly in this regard, they teach > history, art, critical thinking, but never mention about divorce rate > in Western societies and its social effect and the burdens for divorced > people, and offer no marriage preparations. > Why no divorce education topic in college? I like to hear from college > curricula policy makers in this matter.

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Because women don’t want men to know about it, as it would less female power to attract men into men, and lessen female ability to extract male wealth in divorce court. Women are children, and should not vote. ————————————————————————— —— On 20 Jan 2005 07:40:29 -0800, "Curious Mind" <mindcuri…@yahoo.com> wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Men and women when holding hand and say "love you till death" in front >of the judge have little awareness of statistic dictates their marriage >is likely fail. Yet, society hides this fact under the rug quite well. >They let you sign the a paper to declare you are now lovely married w/o >let you that you are signing a legal contract with all legal >consequences and complications come with it, in case the marriage >fails. >Colleges prepare young boy and girl poorly in this regard, they teach >history, art, critical thinking, but never mention about divorce rate >in Western societies and its social effect and the burdens for divorced >people, and offer no marriage preparations. >Why no divorce education topic in college? I like to hear from college >curricula policy makers in this matter.

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‘Colleges prepare young boy and girl poorly in this regard, they teach history, art, critical thinking, but never mention about divorce rate in Western societies and its social effect and the burdens for divorced people, and offer no marriage preparations. ‘ There needs to be mandatory classes regarding Marriage , raising children, et al…IN HIGH SCHOOL  and in College. Further,  our government needs to step in and demand (with severe penalties) that Hollywood stop idealizing marriage , as well as promoting adultery as a fun permissable adventure.

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‘Why no divorce education topic in college? I like to hear from college curricula policy makers in this matter.’ There should be asap.  Further,  everyone should be mandated to take formal classes before marriage is granted…including Premarital Counselling.  Drastic statistics demand drastic changes.

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DN B wrote: > ‘Colleges prepare young boy and girl poorly in this regard, they teach > history, art, critical thinking, but never mention about divorce rate in > Western societies and its social effect and the burdens for divorced > people, and offer no marriage preparations. ‘ > There needs to be mandatory classes regarding Marriage , raising > children, et al…IN HIGH SCHOOL  and in College. Further,  our > government needs to step in and demand (with severe penalties) that > Hollywood stop idealizing marriage , as well as promoting adultery as a > fun permissable adventure.

Now, now, that can’t happen in this Enlightened Age!     We’ve become more spoiled, and accustomed to sleeze.    Can’t get enough of it!    And then there is Jerry Springer. et al!

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"Casey" <cclremovethisp…@cox.net> wrote in message

news:dwQHd.61557$Wo.39558@lakeread08… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Curious Mind said > > Men and women when holding hand and say "love you till death" in front > > of the judge have little awareness of statistic dictates their marriage > > is likely fail. Yet, society hides this fact under the rug quite well. > > They let you sign the a paper to declare you are now lovely married w/o > > let you that you are signing a legal contract with all legal > > consequences and complications come with it, in case the marriage > > fails. > > Colleges prepare young boy and girl poorly in this regard, they teach > > history, art, critical thinking, but never mention about divorce rate > > in Western societies and its social effect and the burdens for divorced > > people, and offer no marriage preparations. > > Why no divorce education topic in college? I like to hear from college > > curricula policy makers in this matter. > For that matter, think how little marriage education the typical person > is exposed to before the wedding day.  It would be great if young > couples were exposed to some realistic expectations before they were > granted a marriage license. > It’s a lot harder in the US to get a driver’s license than it is to > marry and have children.

I shudder to think who would develop that curriculum and administer that program. Perhaps I could get with that program if it were not done during this administration. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Casey

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Curious Mind said > Men and women when holding hand and say "love you till death" in front > of the judge have little awareness of statistic dictates their marriage > is likely fail. Yet, society hides this fact under the rug quite well. > They let you sign the a paper to declare you are now lovely married w/o > let you that you are signing a legal contract with all legal > consequences and complications come with it, in case the marriage > fails. > Colleges prepare young boy and girl poorly in this regard, they teach > history, art, critical thinking, but never mention about divorce rate > in Western societies and its social effect and the burdens for divorced > people, and offer no marriage preparations. > Why no divorce education topic in college? I like to hear from college > curricula policy makers in this matter.

For that matter, think how little marriage education the typical person is exposed to before the wedding day.  It would be great if young couples were exposed to some realistic expectations before they were granted a marriage license. It’s a lot harder in the US to get a driver’s license than it is to marry and have children.   Casey

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"Curious Mind" <mindcuri…@yahoo.com> wrote…

| Why no divorce education topic in college? I like to hear | from college curricula policy makers in this matter. A better place would be shop class in HS.  :-) In Florida, before a clerk issues a marriage license, the parties must certify that they have read a family law pamphlet prepared by the Florida Bar which covers this topic is some detail.  But IMO, that doesn’t go far enuff. Before a ML is issued, there should be a written test (perhaps a performance test, as well), which examines the parties both on their relationship skills and their knowledge of the state’s divorce law.  [R]

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"Curious Mind" <mindcuri…@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:1106235629.882577.113570@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com… > Men and women when holding hand and say "love you till death" in front > of the judge have little awareness of statistic dictates their marriage > is likely fail. Yet, society hides this fact under the rug quite well. > They let you sign the a paper to declare you are now lovely married w/o > let you that you are signing a legal contract with all legal > consequences and complications come with it, in case the marriage > fails.

"They" let you get a credit card too. Who is "they" and what are "they" responsible for? > Colleges prepare young boy and girl poorly in this regard, they teach > history, art, critical thinking, but never mention about divorce rate > in Western societies and its social effect and the burdens for divorced > people, and offer no marriage preparations. > Why no divorce education topic in college? I like to hear from college > curricula policy makers in this matter.

The basics are supposed to be covered in high school since by college people pick and choose their learning goals. That’s why they call it higher education. Lots of schools have civics and social studies classes. Do you know for sure it is *not* taught? Young people are known for their eternal optimism.

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Men and women when holding hand and say "love you till death" in front of the judge have little awareness of statistic dictates their marriage is likely fail. Yet, society hides this fact under the rug quite well. They let you sign the a paper to declare you are now lovely married w/o let you that you are signing a legal contract with all legal consequences and complications come with it, in case the marriage fails. Colleges prepare young boy and girl poorly in this regard, they teach history, art, critical thinking, but never mention about divorce rate in Western societies and its social effect and the burdens for divorced people, and offer no marriage preparations. Why no divorce education topic in college? I like to hear from college curricula policy makers in this matter.

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same? or different? or?

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August Pamplona <cosmic…@hotmail.com> in news:3mpf3gF17lb90U1@individual.net: >          Opposite is probably not good (despite aphorisms to the > contrary –then again the apropos aphorism just says they attract and > doesn’t say what happens after) and an identical twin is probably not > good either (particularly if you are very weird). My personal > inclination would be to seek weird people but not necessarily people > who are weird in exactly the same way as me (though, I am basically > speaking out of my ass on this one as I have no real experience to base > this recommendation to myself upon). > August Pamplona

that’s also my conclusion… adding (like other replies probably add) that the things in common are ‘core beliefs’ type things… political motivation, moral ideals… etc… the next is daily compatibilty… not snoring… bathing often enough (and adequately)… conversational style.. (patient and flexible… or snappish bossy loud… as contrasts) etc i’d say that a woman has good chances of compatibility with me if she shows up nude on my doorstep…  :>

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -lisa wrote: > It seems that when I was younger I was looking for someone "just like > me"; a person with the same hobbies, interests, political leanings, > musical tastes, ways of relating with the world, etc. > As time goes on, I’ve come to the realization that being on the lookout > for an "opposite sex twin" may have excluded many worthy for > consideration as partners.  Further, looking for a twin may even be > counter-productive, particularly if the ways I’ve chosen to interact > with the world are not the best. > Does this mean I should look for the opposite?  Or someone different > enough to be able to teach me something?  Or are these types of > questions unnecessary and it’s better to just go for the vibe on a > person, regardless of who/what/why they are? > rgds, > lisa

I am of the oppinion that the opposite sex mental "twin" would be good for me. Ofc i wouldn’t want them to be a copy of me, but someone who shares my core values, and has a similar personality (introverted, not ncessarily shy). Because i belive love is based on identifying with/understanding the other person (empathy). And ofc if someone is like you it’s a lot easier to understand their motivations, put yourself in their place, etc… basicly it’s easier to care. I’m not sure such a relationship is always the most "functional" so possibly as  you matture you begin to take that into consideration, but i belive it’s the most close/sincere kind. And if you think there’s something wrong in a partener "like you", then you’re probably going to go into an relationship from a position of inferiority seeing how you consider yourself below your own standards (so as far as you’re concerned the other person is not very lucky to be with you). "Opposites attract" sometimes too, but what people are often attracted to is the mystery of the other person, which is bound to disappear the more you get to actually know them. Not something you want to base a relationship on imo. That and ofc sexual differences between the two (physical but also mental) which are "sexy". But beneath it i belive it’s best if the two share the same values, have similar personalities, etc..

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It seems that when I was younger I was looking for someone "just like me"; a person with the same hobbies, interests, political leanings, musical tastes, ways of relating with the world, etc. As time goes on, I’ve come to the realization that being on the lookout for an "opposite sex twin" may have excluded many worthy for consideration as partners.  Further, looking for a twin may even be counter-productive, particularly if the ways I’ve chosen to interact with the world are not the best. Does this mean I should look for the opposite?  Or someone different enough to be able to teach me something?  Or are these types of questions unnecessary and it’s better to just go for the vibe on a person, regardless of who/what/why they are? rgds, lisa

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -lisa wrote: > It seems that when I was younger I was looking for someone "just like > me"; a person with the same hobbies, interests, political leanings, > musical tastes, ways of relating with the world, etc. > As time goes on, I’ve come to the realization that being on the lookout > for an "opposite sex twin" may have excluded many worthy for > consideration as partners.  Further, looking for a twin may even be > counter-productive, particularly if the ways I’ve chosen to interact > with the world are not the best. > Does this mean I should look for the opposite?  Or someone different > enough to be able to teach me something?  Or are these types of > questions unnecessary and it’s better to just go for the vibe on a > person, regardless of who/what/why they are? > rgds, > lisa

         Opposite is probably not good (despite aphorisms to the contrary –then again the apropos aphorism just says they attract and doesn’t say what happens after) and an identical twin is probably not good either (particularly if you are very weird). My personal inclination would be to seek weird people but not necessarily people who are weird in exactly the same way as me (though, I am basically speaking out of my ass on this one as I have no real experience to base this recommendation to myself upon). August Pamplona — Women bring men they like tasks in much the same way cats put dead mice on their owner’s pillows. – Lola on a.s.s. a.a. # 1811 apatriot #20 Eater of smut Proud member of the reality-based community. The address in this message’s ‘From’ field, in accordance with individual.net’s TOS, is real. However, almost all messages reaching this address are deleted without human intervention. In other words, if you e-mail me there, I will not receive your message. To make sure that e-mail messages actually reach me, make sure that my e-mail address is not hot.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -lisa wrote: > It seems that when I was younger I was looking for someone "just like > me"; a person with the same hobbies, interests, political leanings, > musical tastes, ways of relating with the world, etc. > As time goes on, I’ve come to the realization that being on the > lookout for an "opposite sex twin" may have excluded many worthy for > consideration as partners.  Further, looking for a twin may even be > counter-productive, particularly if the ways I’ve chosen to interact > with the world are not the best. > Does this mean I should look for the opposite?  Or someone different > enough to be able to teach me something?  Or are these types of > questions unnecessary and it’s better to just go for the vibe on a > person, regardless of who/what/why they are? > rgds, > lisa

look for someone you connect with. I think you have to have enough of the same interests and values to make it work. my x is an outgoing extrvert. we didnt have much in common. find someone you like just as they are and they like you just as you are.

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lisa wrote: > It seems that when I was younger I was looking for someone "just like > me"; a person with the same hobbies, interests, political leanings, > musical tastes, ways of relating with the world, etc…

Looking for and finding a partner with similar attitudes and worldviews is very reassuring. You know that there is a big probability that you would get along well. But that’s for attitudes and beliefs. However I find that having opposite personality traits is beneficial: complementarity. For example, if you’re shy then it would be good to have a courageous husband who would be able to take some positive action when needed, all for the good of the couple/family.

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Yeah, go for the vibe. My thoughts were that I’m in my own head 24 hours a day, why the hell would I want someone who was like me? KC

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"lisa" <ms_jade…@hotmail.com> wrote in news:1124566270.508724.256720 @g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: > It seems that when I was younger I was looking for someone "just like > me"; a person with the same hobbies, interests, political leanings, > musical tastes, ways of relating with the world, etc. > As time goes on, I’ve come to the realization that being on the lookout > for an "opposite sex twin" may have excluded many worthy for > consideration as partners.  Further, looking for a twin may even be > counter-productive, particularly if the ways I’ve chosen to interact > with the world are not the best. > Does this mean I should look for the opposite?  Or someone different > enough to be able to teach me something?  Or are these types of > questions unnecessary and it’s better to just go for the vibe on a > person, regardless of who/what/why they are?

Learn to be adaptable, and seek adaptable people.  You’re never going to find the perfect person who never annoys you, never pisses you off, is always "on" when you want and "off" when you want, etc.  Find someone willing to change some for you if you change some for them.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Lash Rambo wrote: > "lisa" <ms_jade…@hotmail.com> wrote in news:1124566270.508724.256720 > @g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: >>It seems that when I was younger I was looking for someone "just like >>me"; a person with the same hobbies, interests, political leanings, >>musical tastes, ways of relating with the world, etc. >>As time goes on, I’ve come to the realization that being on the lookout >>for an "opposite sex twin" may have excluded many worthy for >>consideration as partners.  Further, looking for a twin may even be >>counter-productive, particularly if the ways I’ve chosen to interact >>with the world are not the best. >>Does this mean I should look for the opposite?  Or someone different >>enough to be able to teach me something?  Or are these types of >>questions unnecessary and it’s better to just go for the vibe on a >>person, regardless of who/what/why they are? > Learn to be adaptable, and seek adaptable people.  You’re never going to > find the perfect person who never annoys you, never pisses you off, is > always "on" when you want and "off" when you want, etc.  Find someone > willing to change some for you if you change some for them.

          You could run into trouble with this depending on who is chenging who. Very big trouble. August Pamplona — Women bring men they like tasks in much the same way cats put dead mice on their owner’s pillows. – Lola on a.s.s. a.a. # 1811 apatriot #20 Eater of smut Proud member of the reality-based community. The address in this message’s ‘From’ field, in accordance with individual.net’s TOS, is real. However, almost all messages reaching this address are deleted without human intervention. In other words, if you e-mail me there, I will not receive your message. To make sure that e-mail messages actually reach me, make sure that my e-mail address is not hot.

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Complementary is probably better than the same. Differences can be good since it gives you a chance to be exposed to new things. Although the other person must show respect and some degree of appreciation for the others interests even if they aren’t exactly their cup of tea.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -August Pamplona wrote: > Lash Rambo wrote: > >"lisa" <ms_jade…@hotmail.com> wrote in > news:1124566270.508724.256720 > > @g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: > > > It seems that when I was younger I was looking for someone "just > > > like me"; a person with the same hobbies, interests, political > > > leanings, musical tastes, ways of relating with the world, etc. > > > As time goes on, I’ve come to the realization that being on the > > > lookout for an "opposite sex twin" may have excluded many worthy > > > for consideration as partners.  Further, looking for a twin may > > > even be counter-productive, particularly if the ways I’ve chosen > > > to interact with the world are not the best. > > > Does this mean I should look for the opposite?  Or someone > > > different enough to be able to teach me something?  Or are these > > > types of questions unnecessary and it’s better to just go for the > > > vibe on a person, regardless of who/what/why they are? > > Learn to be adaptable, and seek adaptable people.  You’re never > > going to  find the perfect person who never annoys you, never > > pisses you off, is  always "on" when you want and "off" when you > > want, etc.  Find someone  willing to change some for you if you > > change some for them. >         You could run into trouble with this depending on who is > chenging who. Very big trouble. > August Pamplona

true, you should find someone you have no desire to change and they don’t want to change you either. people who get along well tend to adapt to each other anyway.

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"Ms pnoopie Pnats" <dash…@noemaila.com> wrote in news:debh30$9ld$0 @pita.alt.net: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> August Pamplona wrote: >> Lash Rambo wrote: >> >"lisa" <ms_jade…@hotmail.com> wrote in >> news:1124566270.508724.256720 >> > @g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: >> > > It seems that when I was younger I was looking for someone "just >> > > like me"; a person with the same hobbies, interests, political >> > > leanings, musical tastes, ways of relating with the world, etc. >> > > As time goes on, I’ve come to the realization that being on the >> > > lookout for an "opposite sex twin" may have excluded many worthy >> > > for consideration as partners.  Further, looking for a twin may >> > > even be counter-productive, particularly if the ways I’ve chosen >> > > to interact with the world are not the best. >> > > Does this mean I should look for the opposite?  Or someone >> > > different enough to be able to teach me something?  Or are these >> > > types of questions unnecessary and it’s better to just go for the >> > > vibe on a person, regardless of who/what/why they are? >> > Learn to be adaptable, and seek adaptable people.  You’re never >> > going to  find the perfect person who never annoys you, never >> > pisses you off, is  always "on" when you want and "off" when you >> > want, etc.  Find someone  willing to change some for you if you >> > change some for them. >>         You could run into trouble with this depending on who is >> chenging who. Very big trouble. >> August Pamplona > true, you should find someone you have no desire to change and they > don’t want to change you either. > people who get along well tend to adapt to each other anyway.

Are you arguing both sides of the fence or what?

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August Pamplona <cosmic…@hotmail.com> wrote in news:3ms66fF18erdlU2@individual.net: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Lash Rambo wrote: >> "lisa" <ms_jade…@hotmail.com> wrote in >> news:1124566270.508724.256720 @g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: >>>It seems that when I was younger I was looking for someone "just like >>>me"; a person with the same hobbies, interests, political leanings, >>>musical tastes, ways of relating with the world, etc. >>>As time goes on, I’ve come to the realization that being on the >>>lookout for an "opposite sex twin" may have excluded many worthy for >>>consideration as partners.  Further, looking for a twin may even be >>>counter-productive, particularly if the ways I’ve chosen to interact >>>with the world are not the best. >>>Does this mean I should look for the opposite?  Or someone different >>>enough to be able to teach me something?  Or are these types of >>>questions unnecessary and it’s better to just go for the vibe on a >>>person, regardless of who/what/why they are? >> Learn to be adaptable, and seek adaptable people.  You’re never going >> to find the perfect person who never annoys you, never pisses you >> off, is always "on" when you want and "off" when you want, etc.  Find >> someone willing to change some for you if you change some for them. >           You could run into trouble with this depending on who is > chenging who. Very big trouble.

Each changes some things for the other.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Lash Rambo wrote: > August Pamplona <cosmic…@hotmail.com> wrote in > news:3ms66fF18erdlU2@individual.net: >>Lash Rambo wrote: >>>"lisa" <ms_jade…@hotmail.com> wrote in >>>news:1124566270.508724.256720 @g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: >>>>It seems that when I was younger I was looking for someone "just like >>>>me"; a person with the same hobbies, interests, political leanings, >>>>musical tastes, ways of relating with the world, etc. >>>>As time goes on, I’ve come to the realization that being on the >>>>lookout for an "opposite sex twin" may have excluded many worthy for >>>>consideration as partners.  Further, looking for a twin may even be >>>>counter-productive, particularly if the ways I’ve chosen to interact >>>>with the world are not the best. >>>>Does this mean I should look for the opposite?  Or someone different >>>>enough to be able to teach me something?  Or are these types of >>>>questions unnecessary and it’s better to just go for the vibe on a >>>>person, regardless of who/what/why they are? >>>Learn to be adaptable, and seek adaptable people.  You’re never going >>>to find the perfect person who never annoys you, never pisses you >>>off, is always "on" when you want and "off" when you want, etc.  Find >>>someone willing to change some for you if you change some for them. >>          You could run into trouble with this depending on who is >>chenging who. Very big trouble. > Each changes some things for the other.

         You know what I’m talking about. The whole stereotype of marrying someone with the expectation of fixing various flaws. This scenario almost never works. In the stereotypical woman trying to change her man scenario, she becomes a nagging harpy and when he, predictably, responds by becoming even more recalcitrant it becomes a mutually reinforcing positive feedback loop from hell.          Of course, the situation where changes that were implemented for the sake of optimizing success in the mate acquisition stage become discarded when the commitment to the relationship becomes formalized can also happen. August Pamplona — Women bring men they like tasks in much the same way cats put dead mice on their owner’s pillows. – Lola on a.s.s. a.a. # 1811 apatriot #20 Eater of smut Proud member of the reality-based community. The address in this message’s ‘From’ field, in accordance with individual.net’s TOS, is real. However, almost all messages reaching this address are deleted without human intervention. In other words, if you e-mail me there, I will not receive your message. To make sure that e-mail messages actually reach me, make sure that my e-mail address is not hot.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Lash Rambo wrote: > "lisa" <ms_jade…@hotmail.com> wrote in news:1124566270.508724.256720 > @g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: >>It seems that when I was younger I was looking for someone "just like >>me"; a person with the same hobbies, interests, political leanings, >>musical tastes, ways of relating with the world, etc. >>As time goes on, I’ve come to the realization that being on the lookout >>for an "opposite sex twin" may have excluded many worthy for >>consideration as partners.  Further, looking for a twin may even be >>counter-productive, particularly if the ways I’ve chosen to interact >>with the world are not the best. >>Does this mean I should look for the opposite?  Or someone different >>enough to be able to teach me something?  Or are these types of >>questions unnecessary and it’s better to just go for the vibe on a >>person, regardless of who/what/why they are? > Learn to be adaptable, and seek adaptable people.  You’re never going to > find the perfect person who never annoys you, never pisses you off, is > always "on" when you want and "off" when you want, etc.  Find someone > willing to change some for you if you change some for them.

Better yet, find someone you like the way they are, and who can tolerate you, foibles and all. If you have a basic foundation of being able to stand each other’s company day in and day out, then you may even gradually find each other dropping annoying habits… but even if that doesn’t happen you won’t end up miserable or in divorce court. Don’t bank on anyone changing for you, ever. — -=Lola Each of you has so much magnetic personality that iron-rich meteorites from distant galaxies are being pulled toward the earth, ensuring the total annihilation of future generations who, I think you’ll agree, have it coming. (Scott Adams)

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Ollie wrote: > Complementary is probably better than the same.

Complementary is by definition a good thing (it means something that interoperates well with another thing).  In reality you probably only achieve ‘partial complementarity’, though. > Differences can be good > since it gives you a chance to be exposed to new things. Although the > other person must show respect and some degree of appreciation for the > others interests even if they aren’t exactly their cup of tea.

Generally speaking, I’ve gotten along best with people who had some similarity to me, but not *too* much.  So, i.e., I’ve gotten along well with other IT people, but not with other hardass anal-retentive geeks.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Dolores wrote: > Lash Rambo wrote: > >"lisa" <ms_jade…@hotmail.com> wrote in > news:1124566270.508724.256720 > > @g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: > > > It seems that when I was younger I was looking for someone "just > > > like me"; a person with the same hobbies, interests, political > > > leanings, musical tastes, ways of relating with the world, etc. > > > As time goes on, I’ve come to the realization that being on the > > > lookout for an "opposite sex twin" may have excluded many worthy > > > for consideration as partners.  Further, looking for a twin may > > > even be counter-productive, particularly if the ways I’ve chosen > > > to interact with the world are not the best. > > > Does this mean I should look for the opposite?  Or someone > > > different enough to be able to teach me something?  Or are these > > > types of questions unnecessary and it’s better to just go for the > > > vibe on a person, regardless of who/what/why they are? > > Learn to be adaptable, and seek adaptable people.  You’re never > > going to  find the perfect person who never annoys you, never > > pisses you off, is  always "on" when you want and "off" when you > > want, etc.  Find someone  willing to change some for you if you > > change some for them. > Better yet, find someone you like the way they are, and who can > tolerate you, foibles and all. If you have a basic foundation of > being able to stand each other’s company day in and day out, then you > may even gradually find each other dropping annoying habits… but > even if that doesn’t happen you won’t end up miserable or in divorce > court. > Don’t bank on anyone changing for you, ever.

agreed!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Lash Rambo wrote: > "Ms pnoopie Pnats" <dash…@noemaila.com> wrote in news:debh30$9ld$0 > @pita.alt.net: > > August Pamplona wrote: > >> Lash Rambo wrote: > >> >"lisa" <ms_jade…@hotmail.com> wrote in > >> news:1124566270.508724.256720 > >> > @g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: > >> > > It seems that when I was younger I was looking for someone > "just >> > > like me"; a person with the same hobbies, interests, > political >> > > leanings, musical tastes, ways of relating with the > world, etc.  >> > > > >> > > As time goes on, I’ve come to the realization that being on the > >> > > lookout for an "opposite sex twin" may have excluded many > worthy >> > > for consideration as partners.  Further, looking for a > twin may >> > > even be counter-productive, particularly if the ways > I’ve chosen >> > > to interact with the world are not the best. > >> > > Does this mean I should look for the opposite?  Or someone > >> > > different enough to be able to teach me something?  Or are > these >> > > types of questions unnecessary and it’s better to just > go for the >> > > vibe on a person, regardless of who/what/why they > are?  >> > > >> > Learn to be adaptable, and seek adaptable people.  You’re never > >> > going to  find the perfect person who never annoys you, never > >> > pisses you off, is  always "on" when you want and "off" when you > >> > want, etc.  Find someone  willing to change some for you if you > >> > change some for them. > >>         You could run into trouble with this depending on who is > >> chenging who. Very big trouble. > >> August Pamplona > > true, you should find someone you have no desire to change and they > > don’t want to change you either. > > people who get along well tend to adapt to each other anyway. > Are you arguing both sides of the fence or what?

no, its the same thing dolores said.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -August Pamplona wrote: > Ms pnoopie Pnats wrote: > > August Pamplona wrote: > > > Lash Rambo wrote: > >>>August Pamplona <cosmic…@hotmail.com> wrote in > > > > news:3ms66fF18erdlU2@individual.net: > > > > > Lash Rambo wrote: > >>>>>"lisa" <ms_jade…@hotmail.com> wrote in > > > > > > news:1124566270.508724.256720 @g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: > > > > > > > It seems that when I was younger I was looking for someone > > > > > > > "just like me"; a person with the same hobbies, interests, > > > > > > > political leanings, musical tastes, ways of relating with > > > > > > > the world, etc. > > > > > > > As time goes on, I’ve come to the realization that being > > > > > > > on the lookout for an "opposite sex twin" may have > > > > > > > excluded many worthy for consideration as partners. > > > > > > > Further, looking for a twin may even be > > > > > > > counter-productive, particularly if the ways I’ve chosen > > > > > > > to interact with the world are not the best. > > > > > > > Does this mean I should look for the opposite?  Or someone > > > > > > > different enough to be able to teach me something?  Or are > > > > > > > these types of questions unnecessary and it’s better to > > > > > > > just go for the vibe on a person, regardless of > > > > > > > who/what/why they are? > > > > > > Learn to be adaptable, and seek adaptable people.  You’re > > > > > > never going to find the perfect person who never annoys > > > > > > you, never pisses you off, is always "on" when you want and > > > > > > "off" when you want, etc.  Find someone willing to change > > > > > > some for you if you change some for them. > >>>>      You could run into trouble with this depending on who is > > > chenging who. Very big trouble. > > > > Each changes some things for the other. > >>  You know what I’m talking about. The whole stereotype of marrying > > > someone with the expectation of fixing various flaws. This > > > scenario almost never works. In the stereotypical woman trying to > > > change her man scenario, she becomes a nagging harpy and when he, > > > predictably, responds by becoming even more recalcitrant it > > > becomes a mutually reinforcing positive feedback loop from hell. > >>    Of course, the situation where changes that were implemented for > > > the sake of optimizing success in the mate acquisition stage > > > become discarded when the commitment to the relationship becomes > > > formalized can also happen. > > > August Pamplona > > yeah and this happens all the time. and men can be harping nags too. >        That was just a stereotypical example. I did not mean to imply > that that’s the only way in which that scenario plays out. > August Pamplona

thats ok

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Ms pnoopie Pnats wrote: > August Pamplona wrote: >>Lash Rambo wrote: >>>August Pamplona <cosmic…@hotmail.com> wrote in >>>news:3ms66fF18erdlU2@individual.net:   >>>>Lash Rambo wrote: >>>>>"lisa" <ms_jade…@hotmail.com> wrote in >>>>>news:1124566270.508724.256720 @g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: >>>>>>It seems that when I was younger I was looking for someone >>>>>>"just like me"; a person with the same hobbies, interests, >>>>>>political leanings, musical tastes, ways of relating with the >>>>>>world, etc. >>>>>>As time goes on, I’ve come to the realization that being on >>>>>>the lookout for an "opposite sex twin" may have excluded many >>>>>>worthy for consideration as partners.  Further, looking for a >>>>>>twin may even be counter-productive, particularly if the ways >>>>>>I’ve chosen to interact with the world are not the best. >>>>>>Does this mean I should look for the opposite?  Or someone >>>>>>different enough to be able to teach me something?  Or are >>>>>>these types of questions unnecessary and it’s better to just >>>>>>go for the vibe on a person, regardless of who/what/why they >>>>>>are? >>>>>Learn to be adaptable, and seek adaptable people.  You’re never >>>>>going to find the perfect person who never annoys you, never >>>>>pisses you off, is always "on" when you want and "off" when you >>>>>want, etc.  Find someone willing to change some for you if you >>>>>change some for them. >>>>       You could run into trouble with this depending on who is >>chenging who. Very big trouble. >>>Each changes some things for the other. >>   You know what I’m talking about. The whole stereotype of marrying >>someone with the expectation of fixing various flaws. This scenario >>almost never works. In the stereotypical woman trying to change her >>man scenario, she becomes a nagging harpy and when he, predictably, >>responds by becoming even more recalcitrant it becomes a mutually >>reinforcing positive feedback loop from hell. >>     Of course, the situation where changes that were implemented for >>the sake of optimizing success in the mate acquisition stage become >>discarded when the commitment to the relationship becomes formalized >>can also happen. >>August Pamplona > yeah and this happens all the time. and men can be harping nags too.

         That was just a stereotypical example. I did not mean to imply that that’s the only way in which that scenario plays out. August Pamplona — Women bring men they like tasks in much the same way cats put dead mice on their owner’s pillows. – Lola on a.s.s. a.a. # 1811 apatriot #20 Eater of smut Proud member of the reality-based community. The address in this message’s ‘From’ field, in accordance with individual.net’s TOS, is real. However, almost all messages reaching this address are deleted without human intervention. In other words, if you e-mail me there, I will not receive your message. To make sure that e-mail messages actually reach me, make sure that my e-mail address is not hot.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -August Pamplona wrote: > Lash Rambo wrote: > >August Pamplona <cosmic…@hotmail.com> wrote in > > news:3ms66fF18erdlU2@individual.net:   > > > Lash Rambo wrote: > >>>"lisa" <ms_jade…@hotmail.com> wrote in > > > > news:1124566270.508724.256720 @g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: > > > > > It seems that when I was younger I was looking for someone > > > > > "just like me"; a person with the same hobbies, interests, > > > > > political leanings, musical tastes, ways of relating with the > > > > > world, etc. > > > > > As time goes on, I’ve come to the realization that being on > > > > > the lookout for an "opposite sex twin" may have excluded many > > > > > worthy for consideration as partners.  Further, looking for a > > > > > twin may even be counter-productive, particularly if the ways > > > > > I’ve chosen to interact with the world are not the best. > > > > > Does this mean I should look for the opposite?  Or someone > > > > > different enough to be able to teach me something?  Or are > > > > > these types of questions unnecessary and it’s better to just > > > > > go for the vibe on a person, regardless of who/what/why they > > > > > are? > > > > Learn to be adaptable, and seek adaptable people.  You’re never > > > > going to find the perfect person who never annoys you, never > > > > pisses you off, is always "on" when you want and "off" when you > > > > want, etc.  Find someone willing to change some for you if you > > > > change some for them. > >>        You could run into trouble with this depending on who is > chenging who. Very big trouble. > > Each changes some things for the other. >    You know what I’m talking about. The whole stereotype of marrying > someone with the expectation of fixing various flaws. This scenario > almost never works. In the stereotypical woman trying to change her > man scenario, she becomes a nagging harpy and when he, predictably, > responds by becoming even more recalcitrant it becomes a mutually > reinforcing positive feedback loop from hell. >      Of course, the situation where changes that were implemented for > the sake of optimizing success in the mate acquisition stage become > discarded when the commitment to the relationship becomes formalized > can also happen. > August Pamplona

yeah and this happens all the time. and men can be harping nags too.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This was in my freecycle emails.  I think it is one of the funniest ones I’ve ever seen. Pam Shirk I’m not bad…I’m just written that way —– Original Message —– PM I have 1 sorry (BLEEP) old man comes with his own remote and beer can ( lazyboy chair NOT included ).Will not do yard work or dishes but is house trained .Has no formal Obedience training but will sit if told on the with a mean tone of voice. I can no longer take proper care of him .Will first serve !!!! K

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This was in my freecycle emails.  I think it is one of the funniest ones I’ve ever seen. Pam Shirk I’m not bad…I’m just written that way —– Original Message —– To: FayettevilleFtBraggFreecycle;harnett_freecycle I have 1 sorry (BLEEP) old man comes with his own remote and beer can ( lazyboy chair NOT included ).Will not do yard work or dishes but is house trained .Has no formal Obedience training but will sit if told on the with a mean tone of voice. I can no longer take proper care of him .Will someone please give him a new home

That is hilarious!! I wonder where he is now!

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This was in my freecycle emails.  I think it is one of the funniest ones I’ve ever seen. Pam Shirk I’m not bad…I’m just written that way —– Original Message —– To: FayettevilleFtBraggFreecycle;harnett_freecycle I have 1 sorry (BLEEP) old man comes with his own remote and beer can ( lazyboy chair NOT included ).Will not do yard work or dishes but is house trained .Has no formal Obedience training but will sit if told on the with a mean tone of voice. I can no longer take proper care of him .Will someone please give him a new home That is hilarious!! I wonder where he is now!

Right here on my living room sofa!!!  ; Hugs, CatNipped

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This was in my freecycle emails.  I think it is one of the funniest ones I’ve ever seen. Pam Shirk I’m not bad…I’m just written that way —– Original Message —– To: FayettevilleFtBraggFreecycle;harnett_freecycle I have 1 sorry (BLEEP) old man comes with his own remote and beer can ( lazyboy chair NOT included ).Will not do yard work or dishes but is house trained .Has no formal Obedience training but will sit if told on the with a mean tone of voice. I can no longer take proper care of him .Will someone please give him a new home That is hilarious!! I wonder where he is now! Right here on my living room sofa!!!  ;

Ba-boom!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – —– Original Message —– PM I have 1 sorry (BLEEP) old man comes with his own remote and beer can ( lazyboy chair NOT included ).Will not do yard work or dishes but is house trained .Has no formal Obedience training but will sit if told on the with a mean tone of voice. I can no longer take proper care of him .Will first serve !!!! K What was your bid?   Hahaha.   MLB

Freecycle, means no money changes hands.  Besides I already have enough of these laying around. Pam S.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This was in my freecycle emails.  I think it is one of the funniest ones I’ve ever seen. Pam Shirk I’m not bad…I’m just written that way —– Original Message —– To: FayettevilleFtBraggFreecycle;harnett_freecycle I have 1 sorry (BLEEP) old man comes with his own remote and beer can ( lazyboy chair NOT included ).Will not do yard work or dishes but is house trained .Has no formal Obedience training but will sit if told on the with a mean tone of voice. I can no longer take proper care of him .Will someone please give him a new home That is hilarious!! I wonder where he is now!

There was no post indicating that he’d been picked up, so I suspect that he’s the subject of disinterest and no-shows. Pam S. who wouldn’t show up either

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That is hilarious!! I wonder where he is now!///

Divorce court? ;o) Helen M — Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server – http://www.Mailgate.ORG

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That is hilarious!! I wonder where he is now!/// Divorce court? ;o) Helen M

Hee!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This was in my freecycle emails.  I think it is one of the funniest ones I’ve ever seen. Pam Shirk I’m not bad…I’m just written that way —– Original Message —– To: FayettevilleFtBraggFreecycle;harnett_freecycle I have 1 sorry (BLEEP) old man comes with his own remote and beer can ( lazyboy chair NOT included ).Will not do yard work or dishes but is house trained .Has no formal Obedience training but will sit if told on the with a mean tone of voice. I can no longer take proper care of him .Will someone please give him a new home K

Heeheehee.  Too funny.  I’m on my local freecycle list — think I could advertise my DH? Ginger-lyn Home Pages:   http://www.spiritrealm.com/summer/   http://www.angelfire.com/folk/glsummer (homepage & cats)   http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~summer/index.htm (genealogy)   http://www.i-love-cats.com/meow/glsummer/ (The Violence Against                                              Animals in Movies Website)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This was in my freecycle emails.  I think it is one of the funniest ones I’ve ever seen. Pam Shirk I’m not bad…I’m just written that way —– Original Message —– To: FayettevilleFtBraggFreecycle;harnett_freecycle I have 1 sorry (BLEEP) old man comes with his own remote and beer can ( lazyboy chair NOT included ).Will not do yard work or dishes but is house trained .Has no formal Obedience training but will sit if told on the with a mean tone of voice. I can no longer take proper care of him .Will someone please give him a new home K Heeheehee.  Too funny.  I’m on my local freecycle list — think I could advertise my DH? Ginger-lyn

You’ll probably get as many takers as this woman probably did.  If you do advertise him and it works, please let me know. Pam S.

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Judge Judy

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<snip "Originally from Queens, N.Y., Judge Milian moved to Miami with her family when she was a child. She received her undergraduate degree from the University of Miami, graduating summa cum laude with a 4.0 grade average. She then graduated cum laude from Georgetown Law School. " Sounds like she can out writ you any old day…." No kidding. She’s more than qualified, and is just now in her early 40s. She, like Greg Mathis, must have been real go-getters. Judge Mathis was the youngest circuit court judge in Detroit history. The last eBay suit I saw on The People’s Court was the one where the guy bought the German helmet which turned out to be bogus.

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Watching JJ tear into stupid people is quite satisfying. We could use more of it on TV.

Except that the lessons are entirely lost on these losers. Anyone so stupid as to say "yes" when invited to appear on Court TV, Dr.Phil, Jerry Springer, etc., is clearly beyond educating. They’ll likely even ask for a tape of it, and think "didn’t I look great". I don’t watch those shows. I hate to be reminded of what lurks out there in the shadows of bidderland. — http://www.access-one.com/rjn           email4rjn AT yahoo DOT com NOT speaking for any employer, client or Internet Service Provider.

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The worst is the – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Latina from Miami, super bitch ( marilyn something ), and the AA from Detroit, Greg Mathis. Neither one could write a writ of anything, let alone pass judgement on anybody / anything. " Judge Milian spent a year at Harvard Law School as the director of training for the Guatemala Project, responsible for training the Guatemalan trial judiciary, defense, and prosecution bar in investigatory and trial techniques. After Janet Reno hired her, she served from 1984-1994 as an assistant state attorney for the Dade County State Attorney’s Office, followed by an appointment by then-Gov. Lawton Chiles to a five-year stint in the Miami County Court in the Domestic Violence, Criminal. and Civil Divisions. In 1999, Florida Gov. Jeb Bush appointed her to the Miami Circuit Court, where she served in the Criminal Division. "Originally from Queens, N.Y., Judge Milian moved to Miami with her family when she was a child. She received her undergraduate degree from the University of Miami, graduating summa cum laude with a 4.0 grade average. She then graduated cum laude from Georgetown Law School. "

When will this lazy woman get her arse off her shoulders and make something of herself?

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Tony Cooper" wrote As I understand it, both parties get an appearance fee for being on the show.  The judgement comes out of the fee paid by the loser.  So if both parties get $ xx.xx as an appearance fee, the winner gets $ xx.xx plus the judgement, and the loser gets $ xx.xx less the judgement.  I tried to read the small print on the screen after the show, and I think that’s what it said. I thought that it all came out of a "pot" – the winner got the judgement paid from the pot and the loser split the remainder of the pot with the winner. That’s essentially the same thing that Tony said. You’re just calling the appearance fees the pot. But I thought that the appearance fee depended on the amount of the pot, and if a plaintiff won the entire amount of the pot, then the defendant wouldn’t get anything but paid travel.

Again, it’s the same thing.  If the loser gets the appearance fee of $xx.xx less the judgement, and the judgement is equal to the appearance fee, the loser leaves with nothing. I think you might be under the impression that the appearance fee varies based on the amount of judgement expected.  I don’t know, but I doubt that.  I think they have a set appearance fee. — Tony Cooper Orlando FL

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I watched the episode (yes, I Tivo Judge Judy – so shoot me). Not at all.  Watching JJ tear into stupid people is quite satisfying.  We could use more of it on TV. ef People’s Court had one a few weeks ago about a guy buying a signed book on Yahoo auctions.  It was kind of interesting, the seller lost, but I think both parties were kind of loopy. As far as court shows go, Judge Mathis rocks, so does Judge Mablean on Divorce Court.  They are by far the best! the vast majority of these ‘TV judges ‘ are an embarrassment to the legal system, and mostly to the profession of Law. The worst is the Latina from Miami, super bitch ( marilyn something ), and the AA from Detroit, Greg Mathis. Neither one could write a writ of anything, let

I am trying to think what might embarrass the legal profession, and I just can’t.  In an age where lawyers buy billboards, buy full pages in the Yellow Pages, and advertise on television, I just can’t imagine what might be left to cause them embarrassment. No lawyer that has uttered "My client looks forward to vindicating himself." is capable of further embarrassment. In this market, the commercials that precedes and follow the "Judge Judy" program are the commercials of a local attorney – John Morgan – who uses each commercial to suggest some area where you can obtain legal redress by using his services.  If you aren’t aware of a reason to sue someone, John "For The People" Morgan will find one for you. — Tony Cooper Orlando FL

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the vast majority of these ‘TV judges ‘ are an embarrassment to the legal system… I am trying to think what might embarrass the legal profession, and I just can’t…

Thank you for saying what I was thinking. Lumpy — Hey! Can I borrow your Habeas Corpus? http://www.lumpymusic.com

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Tony Cooper" wrote As I understand it, both parties get an appearance fee for being on the show.  The judgement comes out of the fee paid by the loser.  So if both parties get $ xx.xx as an appearance fee, the winner gets $ xx.xx plus the judgement, and the loser gets $ xx.xx less the judgement.  I tried to read the small print on the screen after the show, and I think that’s what it said. I thought that it all came out of a "pot" – the winner got the judgement paid from the pot and the loser split the remainder of the pot with the winner. That’s essentially the same thing that Tony said. You’re just calling the appearance fees the pot. But I thought that the appearance fee depended on the amount of the pot, and if a plaintiff won the entire amount of the pot, then the defendant wouldn’t get anything but paid travel. A

Back when I used to watch, there was a total of $5,000 available.   Whoever won the case, was awarded from that amount….then the rest was split between the two. Kris

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I watched the episode (yes, I Tivo Judge Judy – so shoot me). Not at all.  Watching JJ tear into stupid people is quite satisfying.  We could use more of it on TV. ef People’s Court had one a few weeks ago about a guy buying a signed book on Yahoo auctions.  It was kind of interesting, the seller lost, but I think both parties were kind of loopy. As far as court shows go, Judge Mathis rocks, so does Judge Mablean on Divorce Court.  They are by far the best! the vast majority of these ‘TV judges ‘ are an embarrassment to the legal system, and mostly to the profession of Law. The worst is the Latina from Miami, super bitch ( marilyn something ), and the AA from Detroit, Greg Mathis. Neither one could write a writ of anything, let alone pass judgement on anybody / anything. fq

Please present your evidence.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Tony Cooper" wrote As I understand it, both parties get an appearance fee for being on the show.  The judgement comes out of the fee paid by the loser.  So if both parties get $ xx.xx as an appearance fee, the winner gets $ xx.xx plus the judgement, and the loser gets $ xx.xx less the judgement.  I tried to read the small print on the screen after the show, and I think that’s what it said. I thought that it all came out of a "pot" – the winner got the judgement paid from the pot and the loser split the remainder of the pot with the winner. That’s essentially the same thing that Tony said. You’re just calling the appearance fees the pot.

But I thought that the appearance fee depended on the amount of the pot, and if a plaintiff won the entire amount of the pot, then the defendant wouldn’t get anything but paid travel. A

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I watched the episode (yes, I Tivo Judge Judy – so shoot me). Not at all.  Watching JJ tear into stupid people is quite satisfying.  We could use more of it on TV. ef People’s Court had one a few weeks ago about a guy buying a signed book on Yahoo auctions.  It was kind of interesting, the seller lost, but I think both parties were kind of loopy. As far as court shows go, Judge Mathis rocks, so does Judge Mablean on Divorce Court.  They are by far the best! the vast majority of these ‘TV judges ‘ are an embarrassment to the legal system, and mostly to the profession of Law. The worst is the Latina from Miami, super bitch ( marilyn something ), and the AA from Detroit, Greg Mathis. Neither one could write a writ of anything, let alone pass judgement on anybody / anything.

" Judge Milian spent a year at Harvard Law School as the director of training for the Guatemala Project, responsible for training the Guatemalan trial judiciary, defense, and prosecution bar in investigatory and trial techniques. After Janet Reno hired her, she served from 1984-1994 as an assistant state attorney for the Dade County State Attorney’s Office, followed by an appointment by then-Gov. Lawton Chiles to a five-year stint in the Miami County Court in the Domestic Violence, Criminal. and Civil Divisions. In 1999, Florida Gov. Jeb Bush appointed her to the Miami Circuit Court, where she served in the Criminal Division. "Originally from Queens, N.Y., Judge Milian moved to Miami with her family when she was a child. She received her undergraduate degree from the University of Miami, graduating summa cum laude with a 4.0 grade average. She then graduated cum laude from Georgetown Law School. " Sounds like she can out writ you any old day…. A

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I watched the episode (yes, I Tivo Judge Judy – so shoot me). Not at all.  Watching JJ tear into stupid people is quite satisfying.  We could use more of it on TV. ef People’s Court had one a few weeks ago about a guy buying a signed book on Yahoo auctions.  It was kind of interesting, the seller lost, but I think both parties were kind of loopy. As far as court shows go, Judge Mathis rocks, so does Judge Mablean on Divorce Court.  They are by far the best!

the vast majority of these ‘TV judges ‘ are an embarrassment to the legal system, and mostly to the profession of Law. The worst is the Latina from Miami, super bitch ( marilyn something ), and the AA from Detroit, Greg Mathis. Neither one could write a writ of anything, let alone pass judgement on anybody / anything. fq

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"Tony Cooper" wrote As I understand it, both parties get an appearance fee for being on the show.  The judgement comes out of the fee paid by the loser.  So if both parties get $ xx.xx as an appearance fee, the winner gets $ xx.xx plus the judgement, and the loser gets $ xx.xx less the judgement.  I tried to read the small print on the screen after the show, and I think that’s what it said. I thought that it all came out of a "pot" – the winner got the judgement paid from the pot and the loser split the remainder of the pot with the winner.

That’s essentially the same thing that Tony said. You’re just calling the appearance fees the pot. —-== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com – Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==—- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups —-= East and West-Coast Server Farms – Total Privacy via Encryption =—-

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I was sorting some family pictures and had the TV running in the background.  Judge Judy had a case where a Buyer bought a jet ski for $1800 on eBay.  Too complicated to go into, but it would have been an interesting thread for amoe. — Tony Cooper Orlando FL

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I was sorting some family pictures and had the TV running in the background.  Judge Judy had a case where a Buyer bought a jet ski for $1800 on eBay.  Too complicated to go into, but it would have been an interesting thread for amoe. — Tony Cooper Orlando FL

Believe it or not, it’s now a thread in amoe. I watched the episode (yes, I Tivo Judge Judy – so shoot me).  The buyer was suing the seller for the return of the money he paid for the jet ski and legal fees he incurred.  The buyer stopped payment on the check after receiving the ski so the seller called the police and had him arrested.  The buyer was forced to pay the seller or risk going to jail.  The buyer alleged that the seller misrepresented the ski in the ad.  They had the ad and it stated that the ski didn’t run and was sold as-is.  Long story short – the buyer lied many times (in court and out) and lost the case.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was sorting some family pictures and had the TV running in the background.  Judge Judy had a case where a Buyer bought a jet ski for $1800 on eBay.  Too complicated to go into, but it would have been an interesting thread for amoe. — Tony Cooper Orlando FL Believe it or not, it’s now a thread in amoe. I watched the episode (yes, I Tivo Judge Judy – so shoot me).

You think she’s hardcore, you should meet her husband! The buyer was suing the seller for the return of the money he paid for the jet ski and legal fees he incurred.  The buyer stopped payment on the check after receiving the ski so the seller called the police and had him arrested. The buyer was forced to pay the seller or risk going to jail.  The buyer alleged that the seller misrepresented the ski in the ad.  They had the ad and it stated that the ski didn’t run and was sold as-is.  Long story short – the buyer lied many times (in court and out) and lost the case.

What a dweeb. Thing is, on those shows both parties get paid the complete amount settled–no one goes home empty-handed.  It’s all about who is right or wrong in the mind of Judge Judy.

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I watched the episode (yes, I Tivo Judge Judy – so shoot me).

Not at all.  Watching JJ tear into stupid people is quite satisfying.  We could use more of it on TV. ef

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was sorting some family pictures and had the TV running in the background.  Judge Judy had a case where a Buyer bought a jet ski for $1800 on eBay.  Too complicated to go into, but it would have been an interesting thread for amoe. — Tony Cooper Orlando FL Believe it or not, it’s now a thread in amoe. I watched the episode (yes, I Tivo Judge Judy – so shoot me). You think she’s hardcore, you should meet her husband!

I used to watch People’s Court when he was on.  He was all bark and no bite. I think she wears the pants in that family. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The buyer was suing the seller for the return of the money he paid for the jet ski and legal fees he incurred.  The buyer stopped payment on the check after receiving the ski so the seller called the police and had him arrested. The buyer was forced to pay the seller or risk going to jail.  The buyer alleged that the seller misrepresented the ski in the ad.  They had the ad and it stated that the ski didn’t run and was sold as-is.  Long story short – the buyer lied many times (in court and out) and lost the case. What a dweeb. Thing is, on those shows both parties get paid the complete amount settled–no one goes home empty-handed.  It’s all about who is right or wrong in the mind of Judge Judy.

I believe only the winner gets paid, but it comes from a fund, not the loser’s pocket.

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Thing is, on those shows both parties get paid the complete amount settled–no one goes home empty-handed.  It’s all about who is right or wrong in the mind of Judge Judy.

As I understand it, both parties get an appearance fee for being on the show.  The judgement comes out of the fee paid by the loser.  So if both parties get $ xx.xx as an appearance fee, the winner gets $ xx.xx plus the judgement, and the loser gets $ xx.xx less the judgement.  I tried to read the small print on the screen after the show, and I think that’s what it said. — Tony Cooper Orlando FL

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I watched the episode (yes, I Tivo Judge Judy – so shoot me). Not at all.  Watching JJ tear into stupid people is quite satisfying.  We could use more of it on TV. ef

People’s Court had one a few weeks ago about a guy buying a signed book on Yahoo auctions.  It was kind of interesting, the seller lost, but I think both parties were kind of loopy. As far as court shows go, Judge Mathis rocks, so does Judge Mablean on Divorce Court.  They are by far the best!

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Thing is, on those shows both parties get paid the complete amount settled–no one goes home empty-handed.  It’s all about who is right or wrong in the mind of Judge Judy. As I understand it, both parties get an appearance fee for being on the show.  The judgement comes out of the fee paid by the loser.  So if both parties get $ xx.xx as an appearance fee, the winner gets $ xx.xx plus the judgement, and the loser gets $ xx.xx less the judgement.  I tried to read the small print on the screen after the show, and I think that’s what it said.

I thought that it all came out of a "pot" – the winner got the judgement paid from the pot and the loser split the remainder of the pot with the winner. A

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Older Women

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"$2 Strawberry Salesman Spotter" <nevilemo…@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1111851473.319493.105110@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: > I don’t want to believe there > are guys who expect not only a virgin, but a virgin with a tabula rasa > mind, no past memories, no experiences, no ongoing relationships with > anyone else, and a completely user-configurable set of values and > beliefs.

I believe the nipples are the standard input devices, but I could be wrong. — "Please enjoy a fish anus." –Blood Waters of Dr. Z. "There is no way out of here.  There is no way out." -Manos IV: Torgo Goes To Baghdad.

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catfish wrote: > That’s actually true (sometimes). Unless they are too far gone. But > women are not our "enemies". They’re human beings like us

Don’t look now, but I think you may have just started a new religious sect. You could apply for tax remission (it might help if you decided on a date for the end of the world).  and have no > more and no fewer overall failings than we do. And sometimes a former > bad girl is exactly what a guy needs. Holding her past against her is > really a sign of the dude’s weakness and insecurity.

I’m puzzled by this notion of "baggage". I don’t want to believe there are guys who expect not only a virgin, but a virgin with a tabula rasa mind, no past memories, no experiences, no ongoing relationships with anyone else, and a completely user-configurable set of values and beliefs. If "baggage" implies all or any of this, I would suggest they give up on women and concentrate on some branch of robotics or Artificial Intelligence. All real people over the age of 18 months have "baggage", for crying out loud. Makes them people. (And some of the contributors to this thread seem to have quite a lot themselves.) > > I am not such a good person as to forgive women, so I find it rather > > unlikely I will ever love one. But still I pursuit fucking them. > Though I > > will probably end up fucking whores in massage parlours. > Who the fuck are you to think for a minute that you’re in any position > to be out dispensing forgiveness to anyone else, let alone all

women?! Well said.

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>No doubt for the same reason that any reasonably intelligent person >would not want his or her posts archived – fear that the Google Usenet >archive and the super large data bases that have arisen simultaneous >to the growth of the web -are creating the conditions necessary for >the creation of a very totalitarian, highly regulated, state that >could at any time use the data to come back and bite him in the ass. >Stop being a bone-head and respect his x-no-archive request.

A little overly paranoid – but who knows? Maybe people ought to serious think before they post some of the crap they do? Catfish

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>sounds like guys like you are teh ones with tons of baggage and hang

ups You called that one right! Man – what a basket case he is! Catfish

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Skinn…@hotmail.com wrote: > On 24 Mar 2005 23:04:11 -0800, "Geoffrey Arnold" > <geoffreyarnold1…@yahoo.com> wrote: > >Why is this posted here? > >I think you might have posted this on the wrong group.  This is > >alt.support.short.  A group that talks about heightism and other issues > >that affect short folks.  This seems to be an article about old women, > >written by a bitter guy.  I think you might be looking for > >alt.chat.misogyny. > >Geoff A. > THis basic thread started from trying to figgure out how some of us > got passed over by the women referenced. > Of course, nobody wants to look at the reasons for a person’s > bitterness. All they ever want to do here is point a finger at the > miserable person and call them names. > Some support huh?

How can you "support" somebody who spends every waking hour online bitching about how horrible women are and who refuses to look within at the true nature of his problem? Catfish

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Troll wrote: > "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreig…@yahoo.com> wrote in > news:1111784569.560581.205060@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: > > Troll wrote: > >> "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreig…@yahoo.com> wrote in > > news:1111779125.719544.5270 > >> @z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com: > >> > Hell, even young girls have baggage, and they’re almost always > >> > frivilous as well…no way to tell… > >> Absolutely right… those little sluts have fucked with so many men > > they > >> already have their baggage… > > Yep — we’ll just have to make the best of a bad situation. > > That’s why I say, oh well, give it a shot anyway…who knows, maybe > > you’d fall in love despite yourself — and isn’t that the point, to > > "find" love?

His self-hatred runs too deep. He can’t love anyone unless he learns to get over himself. > > Kinda like Christ’s statement about loving one’s enemies…it’s of no > > "credit" to love one’s friends only — that’s easy…likewise, it’s > > just the messed up girls that could most use (no pun intended, LOL) a > > good man.

That’s actually true (sometimes). Unless they are too far gone. But women are not our "enemies". They’re human beings like us and have no more and no fewer overall failings than we do. And sometimes a former bad girl is exactly what a guy needs. Holding her past against her is really a sign of the dude’s weakness and insecurity. Troll/Jaycee/jimsummers87/Ray, etc., socks too numerous to mention – is his own worst enemy. Women are not to blame for his problems. Maybe it’s like Kurt Vonnegut Jr. says: He’s just a victim of "bad chemicals". > I am not such a good person as to forgive women, so I find it rather > unlikely I will ever love one. But still I pursuit fucking them. Though I > will probably end up fucking whores in massage parlours.

Who the fuck are you to think for a minute that you’re in any position to be out dispensing forgiveness to anyone else, let alone all women?! You narcissistic shit-for-brains! Your head is so deeply impacted in your own asshole that you’ll probably never see daylight again! Catfish

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<SNIP> >Older women tend to be more compliant in the sack, they know what to >do…they’re also supposed to be hornier right before and after >menopause…??

Obviously you have not experienced menopause have you? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Me, I’m still waiting for Lil’ Red Riding Hood…problem is, girls >start fucking at like age 12 or 13 these days (and if they’re latina >they’ve usually been felt up since 9 or 10), so there’s always a >baggage train in attendance….

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sounds like guys like you are teh ones with tons of baggage and hang ups > Save your money and find some young thing, or a high dollar whore to > bang.   > Older women are NOT better in the sack or out of it, unless rotting > slabs of flesh turn you on!

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On 24 Mar 2005 23:04:11 -0800, "Geoffrey Arnold" <geoffreyarnold1…@yahoo.com> wrote: >Why is this posted here? >I think you might have posted this on the wrong group.  This is >alt.support.short.  A group that talks about heightism and other issues >that affect short folks.  This seems to be an article about old women, >written by a bitter guy.  I think you might be looking for >alt.chat.misogyny. >Geoff A.

THis basic thread started from trying to figgure out how some of us got passed over by the women referenced. Of course, nobody wants to look at the reasons for a person’s bitterness. All they ever want to do here is point a finger at the miserable person and call them names. Some support huh?

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On 25 Mar 2005 08:05:06 GMT, "Ms Pnoopie Pnats" <n…@not.com> wrote: >Geoffrey Arnold wrote: >> Why is this posted here? >> I think you might have posted this on the wrong group.  This is >> alt.support.short.  A group that talks about heightism and other >> issues that affect short folks.  This seems to be an article about >> old women, written by a bitter guy.  I think you might be looking for >> alt.chat.misogyny. >> Geoff A. >yeah u got dat rite!

And you are one of the worst finger pointers.

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"Ms Pnoopie Pnats" (n…@not.com) writes: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Eleonore Beaudoin wrote: >> "Ms Pnoopie Pnats" (n…@not.com) writes: >> > Eleonore Beaudoin wrote: >> >> Hi ya, pnoopnie pnatntsn! >> > Heddo tanks fer zee coffee and goodies! most deleecious and most >> > appreciated! >> Pleasure. >> I could enjoy a coffee service right about now myself:) > okeee

Thought you might. James will be serving beverages, cookies and pralines, in a few minutes, on the second floor terrasse. Nice warm breeze and leafy shade. >> >> How’s the lurv life goin?:) >> > tanks for asciing!

DOS pleasure is all mine;-) >> > ahh very gud! Once just wasnt enuff. I bought another plane ticket >> > and am going back the end of June and staying for 2 months this >> > time with option for renewal. >> Sounds like a lease;-) >> (How about "option to buy"…??;-)) > lol

This is a case where one might wish for many many hidden vices;-) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> >> And how is you doin’, with the new job n all??? >> > I started teh new job this week and I really like it. I have today >> > off for good friday. >> Aaah, when things start going nicely…..:) >> >> And the apartment shopping, or is that potponed to a later time…? >> > I am staying here and going to a month to month lease with them >>  Can you apply that lease thing to your new job as well, in June:? >> Or does that mean leaving the job again…? > this job is a consulting position and it lasts 3 months.

Wow!! Life sure improved since a century….We went from living on a leash to leasing-on a Life!:) Is there not also a beach and seashells somewhere in this story…?:);-) Or was that a glass slipper….. >> Think Vic will come in the ng to say hi and all too,  soon? > I will see!

Just a short-term sublet, you know….;-):) >> Give him my regards in the meantime, will ya?:) > I will!

They all say that!:) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> Keep on keepin’!:) >> C >> >> "Ms Pnoopie Pnats" (n…@not.com) writes: >> >> > Geoffrey Arnold wrote: >> >> >> Why is this posted here? >> >> >> I think you might have posted this on the wrong group.  This is >> >> >> alt.support.short.  A group that talks about heightism and other >> >> >> issues that affect short folks.  This seems to be an article >> about >> >> old women, written by a bitter guy.  I think you might be >> looking >> for >> alt.chat.misogyny. >> >> >> Geoff A. >> >> > yeah u got dat rite! >> >> > — >> ——————————————————————– >> >> > —- Ms Pnoopie Pnats Usnet Legend >> > >> http://mspoopiepants.blogspot.com/ >> > >> ——————————————————————– >> >> > —- —————- >> > >> ——————————————————————– >> >> > —- ————— >> >> >> — > — > ———————————————————————— > Ms Pnoopie Pnats Usnet Legend > http://mspoopiepants.blogspot.com/ > ———————————————————————— > —————- > ———————————————————————— > —————

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Troll wrote: > I am not such a good person as to forgive women, so I find it rather > unlikely I will ever love one. But still I pursuit fucking them. Though I > will probably end up fucking whores in massage parlours.

Don’t be so hard on yourself — and you’ll probably go easy on others, too, as a result. I know how you feel, since I’m still rather like that myself, up to a point…I just try to keep in mind that though they annoy me, there isn’t anything to "forgive"…. I’d also visit whores if I had more money…I would like just laying there with her in my arms, even though she’s a whore, talking to her.

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Eleonore Beaudoin wrote: > "Ms Pnoopie Pnats" (n…@not.com) writes: > > Eleonore Beaudoin wrote: > >> Hi ya, pnoopnie pnatntsn! > > Heddo tanks fer zee coffee and goodies! most deleecious and most > > appreciated! > Pleasure. > I could enjoy a coffee service right about now myself:)

okeee > >> How’s the lurv life goin?:) > > tanks for asciing! > > ahh very gud! Once just wasnt enuff. I bought another plane ticket > > and am going back the end of June and staying for 2 months this > > time with option for renewal. > Sounds like a lease;-) > (How about "option to buy"…??;-))

lol – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >> And how is you doin’, with the new job n all??? > > I started teh new job this week and I really like it. I have today > > off for good friday. > Aaah, when things start going nicely…..:) > >> And the apartment shopping, or is that potponed to a later time…? > > I am staying here and going to a month to month lease with them >  Can you apply that lease thing to your new job as well, in June:? > Or does that mean leaving the job again…?

this job is a consulting position and it lasts 3 months. > Think Vic will come in the ng to say hi and all too,  soon?

I will see! > Give him my regards in the meantime, will ya?:)

I will! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Keep on keepin’!:) > C > >> "Ms Pnoopie Pnats" (n…@not.com) writes: > >> > Geoffrey Arnold wrote: > >> >> Why is this posted here? > >> >> I think you might have posted this on the wrong group.  This is > >> >> alt.support.short.  A group that talks about heightism and other > >> >> issues that affect short folks.  This seems to be an article > about >> >> old women, written by a bitter guy.  I think you might be > looking >> for >> alt.chat.misogyny. > >> >> Geoff A. > >> > yeah u got dat rite! > >> > — > ——————————————————————– > >> > —- Ms Pnoopie Pnats Usnet Legend >> > > http://mspoopiepants.blogspot.com/ >> > > ——————————————————————– > >> > —- —————- >> > > ——————————————————————– > >> > —- ————— >> > >> —

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"Ms Pnoopie Pnats" (n…@not.com) writes: > Eleonore Beaudoin wrote: >> Hi ya, pnoopnie pnatntsn! > Heddo tanks fer zee coffee and goodies! most deleecious and most > appreciated!

Pleasure. I could enjoy a coffee service right about now myself:) >> How’s the lurv life goin?:) > tanks for asciing! > ahh very gud! Once just wasnt enuff. I bought another plane ticket and > am going back the end of June and staying for 2 months this time with > option for renewal.

Sounds like a lease;-) (How about "option to buy"…??;-)) >> And how is you doin’, with the new job n all??? > I started teh new job this week and I really like it. I have today off > for good friday.

Aaah, when things start going nicely…..:) >> And the apartment shopping, or is that potponed to a later time…? > I am staying here and going to a month to month lease with them

 Can you apply that lease thing to your new job as well, in June:? Or does that mean leaving the job again…? Think Vic will come in the ng to say hi and all too,  soon? Give him my regards in the meantime, will ya?:) Keep on keepin’!:) C – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> "Ms Pnoopie Pnats" (n…@not.com) writes: >> > Geoffrey Arnold wrote: >> >> Why is this posted here? >> >> I think you might have posted this on the wrong group.  This is >> >> alt.support.short.  A group that talks about heightism and other >> >> issues that affect short folks.  This seems to be an article about >> >> old women, written by a bitter guy.  I think you might be looking >> for >> alt.chat.misogyny. >> >> Geoff A. >> > yeah u got dat rite! >> > — >> > ——————————————————————– >> > —- Ms Pnoopie Pnats Usnet Legend >> > http://mspoopiepants.blogspot.com/ >> > ——————————————————————– >> > —- —————- >> > ——————————————————————– >> > —- ————— >> — > — > ———————————————————————— > Ms Pnoopie Pnats Usnet Legend > http://mspoopiepants.blogspot.com/ > ———————————————————————— > —————- > ———————————————————————— > —————

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Hey, noted the NY accent? ("Potponed"!) Yeah, he too wants to know. In fact, I was asking for him, he was just too shy to ask himself;-) "$2 Strawberry Salesman Spotter" (nevilemo…@yahoo.com) writes: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I too would be most interested to read of the experiences of Ms Pnats. > Eleonore Beaudoin wrote: >> Hi ya, pnoopnie pnatntsn! >> How’s the lurv life goin?:) >> And how is you doin’, with the new job n all??? >> And the apartment shopping, or is that potponed to a later time…? >> "Ms Pnoopie Pnats" (n…@not.com) writes: >> > Geoffrey Arnold wrote: >> >> Why is this posted here? >> >> I think you might have posted this on the wrong group.  This is >> >> alt.support.short.  A group that talks about heightism and other >> >> issues that affect short folks.  This seems to be an article about >> >> old women, written by a bitter guy.  I think you might be looking > for >> >> alt.chat.misogyny. >> >> Geoff A. >> > yeah u got dat rite! >> > — > ———————————————————————— >> > Ms Pnoopie Pnats Usnet Legend >> > http://mspoopiepants.blogspot.com/ > ———————————————————————— >> > —————- > ———————————————————————— >> > ————— >> —

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Strangely here is another he doesn’t want archieved:  Troll   Mar 25, 1:27 pm     show options Newsgroups: alt.support.loneliness, alt.support.shyness, soc.men, alt.support.short From: Troll <t…@master.com> – Find messages by this author Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 21:27:30 +0000 (UTC) Local: Fri, Mar 25 2005 1:27 pm Subject: Re: Older Women Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse Note: The author of this message requested that it not be archived. This message will be removed from Groups in 6 days (Apr 1, 1:27 pm). "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreig…@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1111784569.560581.205060@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: – Hide quoted text – – Show quoted text – – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Troll wrote: >> "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreig…@yahoo.com> wrote in > news:1111779125.719544.5270 >> @z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com: >> > Hell, even young girls have baggage, and they’re almost always >> > frivilous as well…no way to tell… >> Absolutely right… those little sluts have fucked with so many men > they >> already have their baggage… > Yep — we’ll just have to make the best of a bad situation. > That’s why I say, oh well, give it a shot anyway…who knows, maybe > you’d fall in love despite yourself — and isn’t that the point, to > "find" love? > Kinda like Christ’s statement about loving one’s enemies…it’s of no > "credit" to love one’s friends only — that’s easy…likewise, it’s > just the messed up girls that could most use (no pun intended, LOL) a > good man.

I am not such a good person as to forgive women, so I find it rather unlikely I will ever love one. But still I pursuit fucking them. Though I will probably end up fucking whores in massage parlours.

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I wonder why this person below didn’t want to be archieved:  Troll   Mar 25, 12:52 pm     show options Newsgroups: alt.support.loneliness, alt.support.shyness, soc.men, alt.support.short From: Troll <t…@master.com> – Find messages by this author Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 20:52:41 +0000 (UTC) Local: Fri, Mar 25 2005 12:52 pm Subject: Re: Older Women Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse Note: The author of this message requested that it not be archived. This message will be removed from Groups in 6 days (Apr 1, 12:52 pm). "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreig…@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1111779125.719544.5270 @z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com: > Hell, even young girls have baggage, and they’re almost always > frivilous as well…no way to tell…

Absolutely right… those little sluts have fucked with so many men they already have their baggage…

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$2 Strawberry Salesman Spotter wrote: > I too would be most interested to read of the experiences of Ms Pnats.

heddo! waht would you like to know? > Eleonore Beaudoin wrote: > > Hi ya, pnoopnie pnatntsn! > > How’s the lurv life goin?:) > > And how is you doin’, with the new job n all??? > > And the apartment shopping, or is that potponed to a later time…? > > "Ms Pnoopie Pnats" (n…@not.com) writes:

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Troll wrote: > "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreig…@yahoo.com> wrote in

news:1111779125.719544.5270 > @z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com: > > Hell, even young girls have baggage, and they’re almost always > > frivilous as well…no way to tell… > Absolutely right… those little sluts have fucked with so many men they > already have their baggage…

Yep — we’ll just have to make the best of a bad situation. That’s why I say, oh well, give it a shot anyway…who knows, maybe you’d fall in love despite yourself — and isn’t that the point, to "find" love? Kinda like Christ’s statement about loving one’s enemies…it’s of no "credit" to love one’s friends only — that’s easy…likewise, it’s just the messed up girls that could most use (no pun intended, LOL) a good man.

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Eleonore Beaudoin wrote: > Hi ya, pnoopnie pnatntsn!

Heddo tanks fer zee coffee and goodies! most deleecious and most appreciated! > How’s the lurv life goin?:)

tanks for asciing! ahh very gud! Once just wasnt enuff. I bought another plane ticket and am going back the end of June and staying for 2 months this time with option for renewal. > And how is you doin’, with the new job n all???

I started teh new job this week and I really like it. I have today off for good friday. > And the apartment shopping, or is that potponed to a later time…?

I am staying here and going to a month to month lease with them – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Ms Pnoopie Pnats" (n…@not.com) writes: > > Geoffrey Arnold wrote: > >> Why is this posted here? > >> I think you might have posted this on the wrong group.  This is > >> alt.support.short.  A group that talks about heightism and other > >> issues that affect short folks.  This seems to be an article about > >> old women, written by a bitter guy.  I think you might be looking > for >> alt.chat.misogyny. > >> Geoff A. > > yeah u got dat rite! > > — > > ——————————————————————– > > —- Ms Pnoopie Pnats Usnet Legend > > http://mspoopiepants.blogspot.com/ > > ——————————————————————– > > —- —————- > > ——————————————————————– > > —- ————— > —

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I too would be most interested to read of the experiences of Ms Pnats. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Eleonore Beaudoin wrote: > Hi ya, pnoopnie pnatntsn! > How’s the lurv life goin?:) > And how is you doin’, with the new job n all??? > And the apartment shopping, or is that potponed to a later time…? > "Ms Pnoopie Pnats" (n…@not.com) writes: > > Geoffrey Arnold wrote: > >> Why is this posted here? > >> I think you might have posted this on the wrong group.  This is > >> alt.support.short.  A group that talks about heightism and other > >> issues that affect short folks.  This seems to be an article about > >> old women, written by a bitter guy.  I think you might be looking for > >> alt.chat.misogyny. > >> Geoff A. > > yeah u got dat rite! > > —

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Hardpan wrote: > On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 05:42:59 GMT, Jaycee <jay…@noyb.net> wrote: > >When a woman gets older, usually in her late 30’s, she is said to "wise > >up" and want to settle down with a nice guy. But does she really wise up > >or have her looks faded to where the bad boys pay her no attention > >anymore choosing instead to focus on a new crop of 20-something dumb > >bitches to impregnate? Anyway, one day she just magically notices the > >guys that she never would consider dating in her heyday…they don’t > >look so bad now!

Supply and demand.  It really is a meat market out there. Sigh…hey, I’m as guilty as the next red-blooded guy…oh well the sooner I learn to stop fretting and love the "bomb" the better…. > >And of course those of us who were generally ignored by these sluts when > >they were Ms. Hot-Ass are now suppose to be waiting with a box of candy > >and flowers now that she is Ms. Past-Her-Prime!

Well, hmm, what can I say…I don’t suppose I’d have paid her any attention had she not had that bubble-round butt. > > We get the > >left-overs….the bad boys throw-aways! Gee thanks!

Well, one man’s trash is another man’s treasure…why not look at it this way: you can use her for what she’s still worth, sexually speaking, and dump her too when you get bored!  That’d be sweet revenge, wouldn’t it? Or, if you’re not so bitter, why complain in the first place? > > And in all > >probability she has Mr. Bad Boys kids that we can now help raise so his > >deadbeat genes can carry on to another generation!

Genes count for very, very little, actually…believe me, I’d have no problems rejecting these hot single mothers otherwise…as it is, it’s hard to justify rejecting them, even given their "fallen" status…it’s only my own sense of pride — which, of course, depends on the culture in which I was raised myself — that’s keeping me from jumping right in with them…. > > Also we should be > >prepared that should any jerk-off happen to turn her on one day she will > >haul our ass into divorce court to pay support for her kids and her new > >bum boyfriend!

If only I could believe this, too…unfortunately, most of them, if not angels, aren’t exactly she-devils, either…they’re used to changing addresses, penises, etc., so it’s not like she’s gonna wring you for all you’ve got — if it really was the money, she’d have stayed put with you (unless the new guy’s got more, etc., in which case, she wouldn’t bother hauling you into court and all that). > > Oh just "forgive and forget" people say…."everybody > >deserves a second chance"….."she’s just trying to start

over"…etc. And it’s hard to argue against that, too…I wish I could take comfort in my own nascent bitterness, but I just can’t believe it, convenient as it would be to do so…it’s like believing in God — I’d love to, but I just don’t. > >But why should they get the priviledge of a hard working, committed, > >providing man after the shitty way she’s lived her life?

‘Cause she’s genuinely repented?  Such that she’s no longer the person she used to be? You should read the Book of Jonah in the Bible.  Though I’m an atheist, that’s one of my favorite stories of all time.  Very, very wise, very perceptive of the human heart. Indeed — justice, or mercy?  Order, or love?  Was the Sabbath made for man, or man for the Sabbath?  Do I wish such a woman ill simply because she’s done something very bad, but the person that had done this no longer exists because she’s changed, repented?? > > Why should she > >get a free pass out of all the bad decisions she has made? SHE > >SHOULDN’T!! She should have to go through what we did when she was out > >partying and slutting around!

I certainly share your frustration.  I don’t know what the answer is, exept that it’s love — which is just so hard to do. > This is one of the things that come back to bite women in the ass big > time when the get old.

I love to bite big assed women in the ass.  Too none of the few I’ve had enjoy that! > I agree with you as well.

Hear, hear — and boo-hoo.  What to do?  What to do? I wish that this desire in me for beautiful females can be taken away somehow.  Does castration work?  I’d do, I swear I would, if that could cure me of desiring them.  I can’t even just move into the countryside somewhere and be a hermit…what was that line…hide from me women and children’s eyes/give me a grim and derelict land/for these can only kill/while beauty tortures alive. Grrrrrrr…! > There is no reason to fuck around with older women who have TONS of > baggage, after banging all the bad boys when they were younger and > getting knocked up.

On the contrary, you can get your "revenge" and satisfy your frustrations by fucking her and dumping her when you’re bored! And, of course, there’s always the off-chance that you’d actually fall in love with the person you sleep with, who, despite her fallen status provide you with warmth and clean clothes and good food and a smile day and night. > Trust me: any woman over 40 has so much baggage, you would be MUCH > better off staying  alone, then hooking up with a whore like these old > skanks have become.

Hell, even young girls have baggage, and they’re almost always frivilous as well…no way to tell…what the hell…the more I think about this, the more I dislike people — and God: if only I could believe in God, so that I may hate Him meaningfully! > Save your money and find some young thing, or a high dollar whore to > bang.

Actually, being in a relationship, even with an old hussy, is cheaper than visiting a whore. And young things…the problem is that they tend to annoy me very easily (I look 25 but I’m really 33 going on 60)…especially the crazy shit-for-music they listen to…ugh!! > Older women are NOT better in the sack or out of it, unless rotting > slabs of flesh turn you on!

Older women tend to be more compliant in the sack, they know what to do…they’re also supposed to be hornier right before and after menopause…?? Me, I’m still waiting for Lil’ Red Riding Hood…problem is, girls start fucking at like age 12 or 13 these days (and if they’re latina they’ve usually been felt up since 9 or 10), so there’s always a baggage train in attendance….

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Why is this posted here? I think you might have posted this on the wrong group.  This is alt.support.short.  A group that talks about heightism and other issues that affect short folks.  This seems to be an article about old women, written by a bitter guy.  I think you might be looking for alt.chat.misogyny. Geoff A.

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Geoffrey Arnold wrote: > Why is this posted here? > I think you might have posted this on the wrong group.  This is > alt.support.short.  A group that talks about heightism and other > issues that affect short folks.  This seems to be an article about > old women, written by a bitter guy.  I think you might be looking for > alt.chat.misogyny. > Geoff A.

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Hi ya, pnoopnie pnatntsn! How’s the lurv life goin?:) And how is you doin’, with the new job n all??? And the apartment shopping, or is that potponed to a later time…? "Ms Pnoopie Pnats" (n…@not.com) writes: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Geoffrey Arnold wrote: >> Why is this posted here? >> I think you might have posted this on the wrong group.  This is >> alt.support.short.  A group that talks about heightism and other >> issues that affect short folks.  This seems to be an article about >> old women, written by a bitter guy.  I think you might be looking for >> alt.chat.misogyny. >> Geoff A. > yeah u got dat rite! > — > ———————————————————————— > Ms Pnoopie Pnats Usnet Legend > http://mspoopiepants.blogspot.com/ > ———————————————————————— > —————- > ———————————————————————— > —————

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On 24 Mar 2005 23:04:11 -0800, "Geoffrey Arnold" <geoffreyarnold1…@yahoo.com> wrote: >Why is this posted here? >I think you might have posted this on the wrong group.  This is >alt.support.short.  A group that talks about heightism and other issues >that affect short folks.  This seems to be an article about old women, >written by a bitter guy.  I think you might be looking for >alt.chat.misogyny. >Geoff A.

THis basic thread started from trying to figgure out how some of us got passed over by the women referenced. Of course, nobody wants to look at the reasons for a person’s bitterness. All they ever want to do here is point a finger at the miserable person and call them names. Some support huh?

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"$2 Strawberry Salesman Spotter" <nevilemo…@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1111851473.319493.105110@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: > I don’t want to believe there > are guys who expect not only a virgin, but a virgin with a tabula rasa > mind, no past memories, no experiences, no ongoing relationships with > anyone else, and a completely user-configurable set of values and > beliefs.

I believe the nipples are the standard input devices, but I could be wrong. — "Please enjoy a fish anus." –Blood Waters of Dr. Z. "There is no way out of here.  There is no way out." -Manos IV: Torgo Goes To Baghdad.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Skinn…@hotmail.com wrote: > On 24 Mar 2005 23:04:11 -0800, "Geoffrey Arnold" > <geoffreyarnold1…@yahoo.com> wrote: > >Why is this posted here? > >I think you might have posted this on the wrong group.  This is > >alt.support.short.  A group that talks about heightism and other issues > >that affect short folks.  This seems to be an article about old women, > >written by a bitter guy.  I think you might be looking for > >alt.chat.misogyny. > >Geoff A. > THis basic thread started from trying to figgure out how some of us > got passed over by the women referenced. > Of course, nobody wants to look at the reasons for a person’s > bitterness. All they ever want to do here is point a finger at the > miserable person and call them names. > Some support huh?

How can you "support" somebody who spends every waking hour online bitching about how horrible women are and who refuses to look within at the true nature of his problem? Catfish

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>No doubt for the same reason that any reasonably intelligent person >would not want his or her posts archived – fear that the Google Usenet >archive and the super large data bases that have arisen simultaneous >to the growth of the web -are creating the conditions necessary for >the creation of a very totalitarian, highly regulated, state that >could at any time use the data to come back and bite him in the ass. >Stop being a bone-head and respect his x-no-archive request.

A little overly paranoid – but who knows? Maybe people ought to serious think before they post some of the crap they do? Catfish

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catfish wrote: > That’s actually true (sometimes). Unless they are too far gone. But > women are not our "enemies". They’re human beings like us

Don’t look now, but I think you may have just started a new religious sect. You could apply for tax remission (it might help if you decided on a date for the end of the world).  and have no > more and no fewer overall failings than we do. And sometimes a former > bad girl is exactly what a guy needs. Holding her past against her is > really a sign of the dude’s weakness and insecurity.

I’m puzzled by this notion of "baggage". I don’t want to believe there are guys who expect not only a virgin, but a virgin with a tabula rasa mind, no past memories, no experiences, no ongoing relationships with anyone else, and a completely user-configurable set of values and beliefs. If "baggage" implies all or any of this, I would suggest they give up on women and concentrate on some branch of robotics or Artificial Intelligence. All real people over the age of 18 months have "baggage", for crying out loud. Makes them people. (And some of the contributors to this thread seem to have quite a lot themselves.) > > I am not such a good person as to forgive women, so I find it rather > > unlikely I will ever love one. But still I pursuit fucking them. > Though I > > will probably end up fucking whores in massage parlours. > Who the fuck are you to think for a minute that you’re in any position > to be out dispensing forgiveness to anyone else, let alone all

women?! Well said.

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<SNIP> >Older women tend to be more compliant in the sack, they know what to >do…they’re also supposed to be hornier right before and after >menopause…??

Obviously you have not experienced menopause have you? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Me, I’m still waiting for Lil’ Red Riding Hood…problem is, girls >start fucking at like age 12 or 13 these days (and if they’re latina >they’ve usually been felt up since 9 or 10), so there’s always a >baggage train in attendance….

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Troll wrote: > …Bozo Bin land…

I read your message so fast I thought you were talking about Osama’s cousin Bozo Bin Laden

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hardpan wrote: > On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 05:42:59 GMT, Jaycee <jay…@noyb.net> wrote: > > When a woman gets older, usually in her late 30’s, she is said to > > "wise up" and want to settle down with a nice guy. But does she > > really wise up or have her looks faded to where the bad boys pay > > her no attention anymore choosing instead to focus on a new crop of > > 20-something dumb bitches to impregnate? Anyway, one day she just > > magically notices the guys that she never would consider dating in > > her heyday…they don’t look so bad now! > > And of course those of us who were generally ignored by these sluts > > when they were Ms. Hot-Ass are now suppose to be waiting with a box > > of candy and flowers now that she is Ms. Past-Her-Prime! We get the > > left-overs….the bad boys throw-aways! Gee thanks! And in all > > probability she has Mr. Bad Boys kids that we can now help raise so > > his deadbeat genes can carry on to another generation! Also we > > should be prepared that should any jerk-off happen to turn her on > > one day she will haul our ass into divorce court to pay support for > > her kids and her new bum boyfriend! Oh just "forgive and forget" > > people say…."everybody deserves a second chance"….."she’s just > > trying to start over"…etc. > > But why should they get the priviledge of a hard working, > > committed, providing man after the shitty way she’s lived her life? > > Why should she get a free pass out of all the bad decisions she has > > made? SHE SHOULDN’T!! She should have to go through what we did > > when she was out partying and slutting around! > This is one of the things that come back to bite women in the ass big > time when the get old. > I agree with you as well. > There is no reason to fuck around with older women who have TONS of > baggage, after banging all the bad boys when they were younger and > getting knocked up. > Trust me: any woman over 40 has so much baggage, you would be MUCH > better off staying  alone, then hooking up with a whore like these old > skanks have become.

sounds like guys like you are teh ones with tons of baggage and hang ups > Save your money and find some young thing, or a high dollar whore to > bang.   > Older women are NOT better in the sack or out of it, unless rotting > slabs of flesh turn you on!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Troll wrote: > "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreig…@yahoo.com> wrote in > news:1111784569.560581.205060@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: > > Troll wrote: > >> "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreig…@yahoo.com> wrote in > > news:1111779125.719544.5270 > >> @z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com: > >> > Hell, even young girls have baggage, and they’re almost always > >> > frivilous as well…no way to tell… > >> Absolutely right… those little sluts have fucked with so many men > > they > >> already have their baggage… > > Yep — we’ll just have to make the best of a bad situation. > > That’s why I say, oh well, give it a shot anyway…who knows, maybe > > you’d fall in love despite yourself — and isn’t that the point, to > > "find" love?

His self-hatred runs too deep. He can’t love anyone unless he learns to get over himself. > > Kinda like Christ’s statement about loving one’s enemies…it’s of no > > "credit" to love one’s friends only — that’s easy…likewise, it’s > > just the messed up girls that could most use (no pun intended, LOL) a > > good man.

That’s actually true (sometimes). Unless they are too far gone. But women are not our "enemies". They’re human beings like us and have no more and no fewer overall failings than we do. And sometimes a former bad girl is exactly what a guy needs. Holding her past against her is really a sign of the dude’s weakness and insecurity. Troll/Jaycee/jimsummers87/Ray, etc., socks too numerous to mention – is his own worst enemy. Women are not to blame for his problems. Maybe it’s like Kurt Vonnegut Jr. says: He’s just a victim of "bad chemicals". > I am not such a good person as to forgive women, so I find it rather > unlikely I will ever love one. But still I pursuit fucking them. Though I > will probably end up fucking whores in massage parlours.

Who the fuck are you to think for a minute that you’re in any position to be out dispensing forgiveness to anyone else, let alone all women?! You narcissistic shit-for-brains! Your head is so deeply impacted in your own asshole that you’ll probably never see daylight again! Catfish

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Troll wrote: > I am not such a good person as to forgive women, so I find it rather > unlikely I will ever love one. But still I pursuit fucking them. Though I > will probably end up fucking whores in massage parlours.

Don’t be so hard on yourself — and you’ll probably go easy on others, too, as a result. I know how you feel, since I’m still rather like that myself, up to a point…I just try to keep in mind that though they annoy me, there isn’t anything to "forgive"…. I’d also visit whores if I had more money…I would like just laying there with her in my arms, even though she’s a whore, talking to her.

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When a woman gets older, usually in her late 30’s, she is said to "wise up" and want to settle down with a nice guy. But does she really wise up or have her looks faded to where the bad boys pay her no attention anymore choosing instead to focus on a new crop of 20-something dumb bitches to impregnate? Anyway, one day she just magically notices the guys that she never would consider dating in her heyday…they don’t look so bad now! And of course those of us who were generally ignored by these sluts when they were Ms. Hot-Ass are now suppose to be waiting with a box of candy and flowers now that she is Ms. Past-Her-Prime! We get the left-overs….the bad boys throw-aways! Gee thanks! And in all probability she has Mr. Bad Boys kids that we can now help raise so his deadbeat genes can carry on to another generation! Also we should be prepared that should any jerk-off happen to turn her on one day she will haul our ass into divorce court to pay support for her kids and her new bum boyfriend! Oh just "forgive and forget" people say…."everybody deserves a second chance"….."she’s just trying to start over"…etc. But why should they get the priviledge of a hard working, committed, providing man after the shitty way she’s lived her life? Why should she get a free pass out of all the bad decisions she has made? SHE SHOULDN’T!! She should have to go through what we did when she was out partying and slutting around!

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Jaycee wrote: > When a woman gets older, usually in her late 30’s, she is said to

blah blah blah take your inane bs some place else. — ———————————————————————— Ms Pnoopie Pnats Usnet Legend http://mspoopiepants.blogspot.com/ ———————————————————————— —————- ———————————————————————— —————

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Good post.

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>blah blah blah >take your inane bs some place else.

He never shuts up about that. He (ray/jimsummers87/jaycee) is approaching 39, is still a virgin, and still lives with his mommy. He projects his own panic about being alone and unwanted on women – who he hates. He’s probably also "troll". Catfish

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>Good post.

A bullshit post. He blames women for his own inadequacies. Catfish

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This is from a loser who fucks fat chicks. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -catfish wrote: >>Good post. > A bullshit post. He blames women for his own inadequacies. > Catfish

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hardpan wrote: > On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 05:42:59 GMT, Jaycee <jay…@noyb.net> wrote: > > When a woman gets older, usually in her late 30’s, she is said to > > "wise up" and want to settle down with a nice guy. But does she > > really wise up or have her looks faded to where the bad boys pay > > her no attention anymore choosing instead to focus on a new crop of > > 20-something dumb bitches to impregnate? Anyway, one day she just > > magically notices the guys that she never would consider dating in > > her heyday…they don’t look so bad now! > > And of course those of us who were generally ignored by these sluts > > when they were Ms. Hot-Ass are now suppose to be waiting with a box > > of candy and flowers now that she is Ms. Past-Her-Prime! We get the > > left-overs….the bad boys throw-aways! Gee thanks! And in all > > probability she has Mr. Bad Boys kids that we can now help raise so > > his deadbeat genes can carry on to another generation! Also we > > should be prepared that should any jerk-off happen to turn her on > > one day she will haul our ass into divorce court to pay support for > > her kids and her new bum boyfriend! Oh just "forgive and forget" > > people say…."everybody deserves a second chance"….."she’s just > > trying to start over"…etc. > > But why should they get the priviledge of a hard working, > > committed, providing man after the shitty way she’s lived her life? > > Why should she get a free pass out of all the bad decisions she has > > made? SHE SHOULDN’T!! She should have to go through what we did > > when she was out partying and slutting around! > This is one of the things that come back to bite women in the ass big > time when the get old. > I agree with you as well. > There is no reason to fuck around with older women who have TONS of > baggage, after banging all the bad boys when they were younger and > getting knocked up. > Trust me: any woman over 40 has so much baggage, you would be MUCH > better off staying  alone, then hooking up with a whore like these old > skanks have become. > Save your money and find some young thing, or a high dollar whore to > bang.   > Older women are NOT better in the sack or out of it, unless rotting > slabs of flesh turn you on!

Why the crosspost?

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Why is this posted here? I think you might have posted this on the wrong group.  This is alt.support.short.  A group that talks about heightism and other issues that affect short folks.  This seems to be an article about old women, written by a bitter guy.  I think you might be looking for alt.chat.misogyny. Geoff A.

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Geoffrey Arnold wrote: > Why is this posted here? > I think you might have posted this on the wrong group.  This is > alt.support.short.  A group that talks about heightism and other > issues that affect short folks.  This seems to be an article about > old women, written by a bitter guy.  I think you might be looking for > alt.chat.misogyny. > Geoff A.

yeah u got dat rite! — ———————————————————————— Ms Pnoopie Pnats Usnet Legend http://mspoopiepants.blogspot.com/ ———————————————————————— —————- ———————————————————————— —————

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hardpan wrote: > On 24 Mar 2005 11:24:28 GMT, "Ms Pnoopie Pnats" <n…@not.com> wrote: >>Jaycee wrote: >>>When a woman gets older, usually in her late 30’s, she is said to >>blah blah blah >>take your inane bs some place else. > Go back to your little bitty fuck-toy in Oz, you old whore. > And this time STAY THERE !!!

Oh, I have a feeling that little Victor has been tossed aside already. The old slut will have to find another desperate young guy to use up and then throw away, all to satisfy her ego.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Jaycee wrote: > Hardpan wrote: > > On 24 Mar 2005 11:24:28 GMT, "Ms Pnoopie Pnats" <n…@not.com> wrote: > > > Jaycee wrote: > > > > When a woman gets older, usually in her late 30’s, she is said > > > > to > > > blah blah blah > > > take your inane bs some place else. > > Go back to your little bitty fuck-toy in Oz, you old whore. > > And this time STAY THERE !!! > Oh, I have a feeling that little Victor has been tossed aside > already. The old slut will have to find another desperate young guy > to use up and then throw away, all to satisfy her ego.

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Hardpan wrote: > On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 05:42:59 GMT, Jaycee <jay…@noyb.net> wrote: > >When a woman gets older, usually in her late 30’s, she is said to "wise > >up" and want to settle down with a nice guy. But does she really wise up > >or have her looks faded to where the bad boys pay her no attention > >anymore choosing instead to focus on a new crop of 20-something dumb > >bitches to impregnate? Anyway, one day she just magically notices the > >guys that she never would consider dating in her heyday…they don’t > >look so bad now!

Supply and demand.  It really is a meat market out there. Sigh…hey, I’m as guilty as the next red-blooded guy…oh well the sooner I learn to stop fretting and love the "bomb" the better…. > >And of course those of us who were generally ignored by these sluts when > >they were Ms. Hot-Ass are now suppose to be waiting with a box of candy > >and flowers now that she is Ms. Past-Her-Prime!

Well, hmm, what can I say…I don’t suppose I’d have paid her any attention had she not had that bubble-round butt. > > We get the > >left-overs….the bad boys throw-aways! Gee thanks!

Well, one man’s trash is another man’s treasure…why not look at it this way: you can use her for what she’s still worth, sexually speaking, and dump her too when you get bored!  That’d be sweet revenge, wouldn’t it? Or, if you’re not so bitter, why complain in the first place? > > And in all > >probability she has Mr. Bad Boys kids that we can now help raise so his > >deadbeat genes can carry on to another generation!

Genes count for very, very little, actually…believe me, I’d have no problems rejecting these hot single mothers otherwise…as it is, it’s hard to justify rejecting them, even given their "fallen" status…it’s only my own sense of pride — which, of course, depends on the culture in which I was raised myself — that’s keeping me from jumping right in with them…. > > Also we should be > >prepared that should any jerk-off happen to turn her on one day she will > >haul our ass into divorce court to pay support for her kids and her new > >bum boyfriend!

If only I could believe this, too…unfortunately, most of them, if not angels, aren’t exactly she-devils, either…they’re used to changing addresses, penises, etc., so it’s not like she’s gonna wring you for all you’ve got — if it really was the money, she’d have stayed put with you (unless the new guy’s got more, etc., in which case, she wouldn’t bother hauling you into court and all that). > > Oh just "forgive and forget" people say…."everybody > >deserves a second chance"….."she’s just trying to start

over"…etc. And it’s hard to argue against that, too…I wish I could take comfort in my own nascent bitterness, but I just can’t believe it, convenient as it would be to do so…it’s like believing in God — I’d love to, but I just don’t. > >But why should they get the priviledge of a hard working, committed, > >providing man after the shitty way she’s lived her life?

‘Cause she’s genuinely repented?  Such that she’s no longer the person she used to be? You should read the Book of Jonah in the Bible.  Though I’m an atheist, that’s one of my favorite stories of all time.  Very, very wise, very perceptive of the human heart. Indeed — justice, or mercy?  Order, or love?  Was the Sabbath made for man, or man for the Sabbath?  Do I wish such a woman ill simply because she’s done something very bad, but the person that had done this no longer exists because she’s changed, repented?? > > Why should she > >get a free pass out of all the bad decisions she has made? SHE > >SHOULDN’T!! She should have to go through what we did when she was out > >partying and slutting around!

I certainly share your frustration.  I don’t know what the answer is, exept that it’s love — which is just so hard to do. > This is one of the things that come back to bite women in the ass big > time when the get old.

I love to bite big assed women in the ass.  Too none of the few I’ve had enjoy that! > I agree with you as well.

Hear, hear — and boo-hoo.  What to do?  What to do? I wish that this desire in me for beautiful females can be taken away somehow.  Does castration work?  I’d do, I swear I would, if that could cure me of desiring them.  I can’t even just move into the countryside somewhere and be a hermit…what was that line…hide from me women and children’s eyes/give me a grim and derelict land/for these can only kill/while beauty tortures alive. Grrrrrrr…! > There is no reason to fuck around with older women who have TONS of > baggage, after banging all the bad boys when they were younger and > getting knocked up.

On the contrary, you can get your "revenge" and satisfy your frustrations by fucking her and dumping her when you’re bored! And, of course, there’s always the off-chance that you’d actually fall in love with the person you sleep with, who, despite her fallen status provide you with warmth and clean clothes and good food and a smile day and night. > Trust me: any woman over 40 has so much baggage, you would be MUCH > better off staying  alone, then hooking up with a whore like these old > skanks have become.

Hell, even young girls have baggage, and they’re almost always frivilous as well…no way to tell…what the hell…the more I think about this, the more I dislike people — and God: if only I could believe in God, so that I may hate Him meaningfully! > Save your money and find some young thing, or a high dollar whore to > bang.

Actually, being in a relationship, even with an old hussy, is cheaper than visiting a whore. And young things…the problem is that they tend to annoy me very easily (I look 25 but I’m really 33 going on 60)…especially the crazy shit-for-music they listen to…ugh!! > Older women are NOT better in the sack or out of it, unless rotting > slabs of flesh turn you on!

Older women tend to be more compliant in the sack, they know what to do…they’re also supposed to be hornier right before and after menopause…?? Me, I’m still waiting for Lil’ Red Riding Hood…problem is, girls start fucking at like age 12 or 13 these days (and if they’re latina they’ve usually been felt up since 9 or 10), so there’s always a baggage train in attendance….

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Troll wrote: > "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreig…@yahoo.com> wrote in

news:1111779125.719544.5270 > @z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com: > > Hell, even young girls have baggage, and they’re almost always > > frivilous as well…no way to tell… > Absolutely right… those little sluts have fucked with so many men they > already have their baggage…

Yep — we’ll just have to make the best of a bad situation. That’s why I say, oh well, give it a shot anyway…who knows, maybe you’d fall in love despite yourself — and isn’t that the point, to "find" love? Kinda like Christ’s statement about loving one’s enemies…it’s of no "credit" to love one’s friends only — that’s easy…likewise, it’s just the messed up girls that could most use (no pun intended, LOL) a good man.

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I wonder why this person below didn’t want to be archieved:  Troll   Mar 25, 12:52 pm     show options Newsgroups: alt.support.loneliness, alt.support.shyness, soc.men, alt.support.short From: Troll <t…@master.com> – Find messages by this author Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 20:52:41 +0000 (UTC) Local: Fri, Mar 25 2005 12:52 pm Subject: Re: Older Women Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse Note: The author of this message requested that it not be archived. This message will be removed from Groups in 6 days (Apr 1, 12:52 pm). "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreig…@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1111779125.719544.5270 @z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com: > Hell, even young girls have baggage, and they’re almost always > frivilous as well…no way to tell…

Absolutely right… those little sluts have fucked with so many men they already have their baggage…

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Strangely here is another he doesn’t want archieved:  Troll   Mar 25, 1:27 pm     show options Newsgroups: alt.support.loneliness, alt.support.shyness, soc.men, alt.support.short From: Troll <t…@master.com> – Find messages by this author Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 21:27:30 +0000 (UTC) Local: Fri, Mar 25 2005 1:27 pm Subject: Re: Older Women Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse Note: The author of this message requested that it not be archived. This message will be removed from Groups in 6 days (Apr 1, 1:27 pm). "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreig…@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1111784569.560581.205060@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: – Hide quoted text – – Show quoted text – – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Troll wrote: >> "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreig…@yahoo.com> wrote in > news:1111779125.719544.5270 >> @z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com: >> > Hell, even young girls have baggage, and they’re almost always >> > frivilous as well…no way to tell… >> Absolutely right… those little sluts have fucked with so many men > they >> already have their baggage… > Yep — we’ll just have to make the best of a bad situation. > That’s why I say, oh well, give it a shot anyway…who knows, maybe > you’d fall in love despite yourself — and isn’t that the point, to > "find" love? > Kinda like Christ’s statement about loving one’s enemies…it’s of no > "credit" to love one’s friends only — that’s easy…likewise, it’s > just the messed up girls that could most use (no pun intended, LOL) a > good man.

I am not such a good person as to forgive women, so I find it rather unlikely I will ever love one. But still I pursuit fucking them. Though I will probably end up fucking whores in massage parlours.

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Loving and liking…..

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -shinypenny wrote: > Dushichka wrote: > > I have a problem – I love my husband dearly but I am beginning not to > like > > him.I cannot imagine life without him but he gets on my nerves – I > seem to > > have started noticing things that didn’t bother me before, and now I > am > > finding them very irritating. > > And I am talking about petty trivial things, like how he scratches > his head > > all the time or the fact that he has a great singing voice but > whistles out > > of tune. (( > > Now there are other more important things that I have overlooked , > everyone > > has their annoying habits, and many things that didn’t annoy me > before have > > slowly started to creep up on me and are driving me nuts. I do do > love him > > squillions, but why am I feeling that sometimes I just want to leave > the > > room when he comes in, just so I don’t have to se him cross his > legs?? > > I know this all sounds very trivial, but I want to not feel like this > – he > > has obviously been doing the same little things for years without it > > affecting me, or maybe I just never noticed, but I am getting > increasingly > > irritable for what appears to be no reason. > I have a theory on this, and it is probably something I read somewhere > (maybe Marriage Builders?). Every relationship needs a certain > proportion of positive to negative things. I think that a relationship > feels most harmonious when it’s something along the lines of one bad > thing to every 7 good things. If that proportion gets out of whack – > i.e., it’s more like one bad thing to every 4 good things – then the > relationship becomes less harmonious. > When you start getting annoyed by the trivial things, in my mind, it > means that the ratio is getting out of whack. The way to fix this is to > either decrease the number of negative things, or increase the number > of positive things. Since it’s very hard to change a person, it is > usually easier to increase the positive things than decrease the > negatives. > That’s a long-winded way to say that maybe instead of focussing on the > annoying aspects of your partner, try increasing the number of positive > experiences between the two of you. Make a date night, try new > activities together, have quiet alone time, get back in the habit of > kissing every day, whatever it takes. I’m betting that if you increase > these positive things, the annoying stuff will once again become > trivial to you and roll right off your back. > jen

As usual, great advice Jen.  This is something that Gottman talks about as well.  I think it’s 5.  And yes, sometimes it’s hard to find 5 things  This also applies to children.  Often it’s easier to comment on what they’re doing wrong.  There are days when it’s hard to find a positive with my 10 year old (who thinks she’s 20).  It’s becoming increasingly harder with her. I do understand those annoying things though.  Like the loud slurp with each sip of coffee, the sneeze that is so loud that I have jumped up and screamed (funny visual), the daily clutter that ends up being mine to put away, etc.  However, the bottom line is that "I picked him", warts and all.  I have a choice to continuously complain about those things and stay or I can decide that those things are worth leaving the marriage.  OP, you have to make a decision. One suggestion I have is to figure out a way to inject humor into the annoying things so that they don’t have the power over you that they seem to have.  I’m trying to come up with something but I’m drawing a blank.  I’ll post again if I think of something.

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"Dushichka" <pseudibawote…@sillynames.com> wrote in message

news:357pqnF4j6m0rU1@individual.net… >I have a problem – I love my husband dearly but I am beginning not to like > him.I cannot imagine life without him but he gets on my nerves – I seem to > have started noticing things that didn’t bother me before, and now I am > finding them very irritating.

Is there any unresolved issues between you? I’ve been in a place where my DH seemed pretty unlikable but things improved after a couple of basic issues like trust and repect were tackled. Amy

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"Amy Lou" <amylou…@bigpond.com> wrote in message

news:rl_Hd.126620$K7.14427@news-server.bigpond.net.au… > "Dushichka" <pseudibawote…@sillynames.com> wrote in message > news:357pqnF4j6m0rU1@individual.net… > >I have a problem – I love my husband dearly but I am beginning not to like > > him.I cannot imagine life without him but he gets on my nerves – I seem to > > have started noticing things that didn’t bother me before, and now I am > > finding them very irritating. > Is there any unresolved issues between you? I’ve been in a place where my DH > seemed pretty unlikable but things improved after a couple of basic issues > like trust and repect were tackled.

The other question to ask yourself would be, are there unresolved issues going on somewhere else in your life? Stress over things like aging parents or boss-trouble at work can manifest itself in illogical ways.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Dushichka wrote: > "Bill in Co." <surly1curmudg…@earthlink.net> wrote in message > news:M%VHd.1125$YD5.995@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net… >> Dushichka wrote: >>> "S.Taylor" <STaylor938…@Hotmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:c640v0ditvfdjv6rplp2lknu07tuva1gr5@4ax.com… >>>> On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 19:17:44 -0000, "Dushichka" >>> <pseudibawote…@sillynames.com> wrote: >>>>>> Let me guess … You are 35-45, you have two children, and you recently >>>>>> started to feel secure in your profession. >>>>>> Like most women, after you have got what you wanted from him  (house, >>>>>> children, pension, security) you will now justify to yourself that you >>>>>> don’t love him. >>>>> I am just 40, three children, have a part time job in a furniture shop, >>>>> rent a house, and love my husband. >>>>> Some men are idiots and shouldn’t be allowed to read what they can’t >>>>> understand. >>>> Then this explains why you are only just starting to be annoyed with him >>>> and haven’t ambushed him in divorce court yet. You only rent the house and >>>> work part time. You are self sufficient yet. When you are, you will >>>> magically decide you never loved him and will file for divorce. >>> You are so so funny! Should be a stand up comic ) >> It’s not funny.   It’s truly pathetic.   How you can find this "funny" is >> beyond me. > Sorry to offend, I was being sarcastic.  Pathetic is an understatement.

OK.   I wasn’t offended, I was just disappointed (that these idiots even exist).

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"Bill in Co." <surly1curmudg…@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:M%VHd.1125$YD5.995@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Dushichka wrote: > > "S.Taylor" <STaylor938…@Hotmail.com> wrote in message > > news:c640v0ditvfdjv6rplp2lknu07tuva1gr5@4ax.com… > >> On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 19:17:44 -0000, "Dushichka" > > <pseudibawote…@sillynames.com> wrote: > >>>> Let me guess … You are 35-45, you have two children, and you recently > >>>> started to feel secure in your profession. > >>>> Like most women, after you have got what you wanted from him  (house, > >>>> children, pension, security) you will now justify to yourself that you > >>>> don’t love him. > >>> I am just 40, three children, have a part time job in a furniture shop, > rent > >>> a house, and love my husband. > >>> Some men are idiots and shouldn’t be allowed to read what they can’t > >>> understand. > >> Then this explains why you are only just starting to be annoyed with him > and > >> haven’t ambushed him in divorce court yet. You only rent the house and > work > >> part time. You are self sufficient yet. When you are, you will magically > >> decide you never loved him and will file for divorce. > > You are so so funny! Should be a stand up comic ) > It’s not funny.   It’s truly pathetic.   How you can find this "funny" is > beyond me.

Sorry to offend, I was being sarcastic.Pathetic is an understatement.

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"S.Taylor" <STaylor938…@Hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:6s3vu0lou1fp2qeseq0ukf6gsnurvdcl9i@4ax.com… > Let me guess … You are 35-45, you have two children, and you recently started to feel > secure in your profession. > Like most women, after you have got what you wanted from him  (house, children, pension, > security) you will now justify to yourself that you don’t love him. > Women are children and should not vote.

Er – totally wrong. You are a bit of a dipstick, arent you? I am just 40, three children, have a part time job in a furniture shop, rent a house, and love my husband. Some men are idiots and shouldn’t be allowed to read what they can’t understand.

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On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 19:17:44 -0000, "Dushichka" <pseudibawote…@sillynames.com> wrote: >> Let me guess … You are 35-45, you have two children, and you recently >started to feel >> secure in your profession. >> Like most women, after you have got what you wanted from him  (house, >>children, pension, security) you will now justify to yourself that you don’t love him. >I am just 40, three children, have a part time job in a furniture shop, rent >a house, and love my husband. >Some men are idiots and shouldn’t be allowed to read what they can’t >understand.

Then this explains why you are only just starting to be annoyed with him and haven’t ambushed him in divorce court yet. You only rent the house and work part time. You are self sufficient yet. When you are, you will magically decide you never loved him and will file for divorce.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Dushichka wrote: > "S.Taylor" <STaylor938…@Hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:c640v0ditvfdjv6rplp2lknu07tuva1gr5@4ax.com… >> On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 19:17:44 -0000, "Dushichka" > <pseudibawote…@sillynames.com> wrote: >>>> Let me guess … You are 35-45, you have two children, and you recently >>>> started to feel secure in your profession. >>>> Like most women, after you have got what you wanted from him  (house, >>>> children, pension, security) you will now justify to yourself that you >>>> don’t love him. >>> I am just 40, three children, have a part time job in a furniture shop, rent >>> a house, and love my husband. >>> Some men are idiots and shouldn’t be allowed to read what they can’t >>> understand. >> Then this explains why you are only just starting to be annoyed with him and >> haven’t ambushed him in divorce court yet. You only rent the house and work >> part time. You are self sufficient yet. When you are, you will magically >> decide you never loved him and will file for divorce. > You are so so funny! Should be a stand up comic )

It’s not funny.   It’s truly pathetic.   How you can find this "funny" is beyond me.

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"S.Taylor" <STaylor938…@Hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:c640v0ditvfdjv6rplp2lknu07tuva1gr5@4ax.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 19:17:44 -0000, "Dushichka" <pseudibawote…@sillynames.com> wrote: > >> Let me guess … You are 35-45, you have two children, and you recently > >started to feel > >> secure in your profession. > >> Like most women, after you have got what you wanted from him  (house, > >>children, pension, security) you will now justify to yourself that you don’t love him. > >I am just 40, three children, have a part time job in a furniture shop, rent > >a house, and love my husband. > >Some men are idiots and shouldn’t be allowed to read what they can’t > >understand. > Then this explains why you are only just starting to be annoyed with him and haven’t > ambushed him in divorce court yet. You only rent the house and work part time. You are > self sufficient yet. When you are, you will magically decide you never loved him and will > file for divorce.

You are so so funny! Should be a stand up comic )

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Let me guess … You are 35-45, you have two children, and you recently started to feel secure in your profession. Like most women, after you have got what you wanted from him  (house, children, pension, security) you will now justify to yourself that you don’t love him. Women are children and should not vote. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:13:27 -0000, "Dushichka" <pseudibawote…@sillynames.com> wrote: >I have a problem – I love my husband dearly but I am beginning not to like >him.I cannot imagine life without him but he gets on my nerves – I seem to >have started noticing things that didn’t bother me before, and now I am >finding them very irritating. >And I am talking about petty trivial things, like how he scratches his head >all the time or the fact that he has a great singing voice but whistles out >of tune. (( >Now there are other more important things that I have overlooked , everyone >has their annoying habits, and many things that didn’t annoy me before have >slowly started to creep up on me and are driving me nuts. I do do love him >squillions, but why am I feeling that sometimes I just want to leave the >room when he comes in, just so I don’t have to se him cross his legs?? >I know this all sounds very trivial, but I want to not feel like this – he >has obviously been doing the same little things for years without it >affecting me, or maybe I just never noticed, but I am getting increasingly >irritable for what appears to be no reason.

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I have a problem – I love my husband dearly but I am beginning not to like him.I cannot imagine life without him but he gets on my nerves – I seem to have started noticing things that didn’t bother me before, and now I am finding them very irritating. And I am talking about petty trivial things, like how he scratches his head all the time or the fact that he has a great singing voice but whistles out of tune. (( Now there are other more important things that I have overlooked , everyone has their annoying habits, and many things that didn’t annoy me before have slowly started to creep up on me and are driving me nuts. I do do love him squillions, but why am I feeling that sometimes I just want to leave the room when he comes in, just so I don’t have to se him cross his legs?? I know this all sounds very trivial, but I want to not feel like this – he has obviously been doing the same little things for years without it affecting me, or maybe I just never noticed, but I am getting increasingly irritable for what appears to be no reason.

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Maybe you should see if he will put on a Straight-Jacket  and sit real still on the mantel of the fireplace (???)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Dushichka wrote: > I have a problem – I love my husband dearly but I am beginning not to like > him.I cannot imagine life without him but he gets on my nerves – I seem to > have started noticing things that didn’t bother me before, and now I am > finding them very irritating. > And I am talking about petty trivial things, like how he scratches his head > all the time or the fact that he has a great singing voice but whistles out > of tune. (( > Now there are other more important things that I have overlooked , everyone > has their annoying habits, and many things that didn’t annoy me before have > slowly started to creep up on me and are driving me nuts. I do do love him > squillions, but why am I feeling that sometimes I just want to leave the > room when he comes in, just so I don’t have to se him cross his legs?? > I know this all sounds very trivial, but I want to not feel like this – he > has obviously been doing the same little things for years without it > affecting me, or maybe I just never noticed, but I am getting increasingly > irritable for what appears to be no reason.

I have a theory on this, and it is probably something I read somewhere (maybe Marriage Builders?). Every relationship needs a certain proportion of positive to negative things. I think that a relationship feels most harmonious when it’s something along the lines of one bad thing to every 7 good things. If that proportion gets out of whack – i.e., it’s more like one bad thing to every 4 good things – then the relationship becomes less harmonious. When you start getting annoyed by the trivial things, in my mind, it means that the ratio is getting out of whack. The way to fix this is to either decrease the number of negative things, or increase the number of positive things. Since it’s very hard to change a person, it is usually easier to increase the positive things than decrease the negatives. That’s a long-winded way to say that maybe instead of focussing on the annoying aspects of your partner, try increasing the number of positive experiences between the two of you. Make a date night, try new activities together, have quiet alone time, get back in the habit of kissing every day, whatever it takes. I’m betting that if you increase these positive things, the annoying stuff will once again become trivial to you and roll right off your back. jen

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Cats and Radio

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In a thread on burglary, the excellent suggestion was made of leaving on a radio or TV when hoomins are not in the house.  The question arises as to programming. Mr. Clark, who operates on the classic principle of the senior noncommissioned officer who tells a new military commander, "Sir, you COMMAND this unit. I RUN it."      The History Channel. BBC comedy also might appeal to him.      Music: an eclectic mixture of military marches, lullabies (he’s        devoted to two-and-four-legged kittens) and perhaps precise        classical music. I can see him appreciating Mozart and Bach. Rhonda, the star, glamour junkie, and clown:      The Comedy Channel      MTV Ding, who has self-image problems:      Self-help shows, but I think recognizing Jerry Springer is        not a good resource      Country and Western. And your furkids’ preferences?

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In a thread on burglary, the excellent suggestion was made of leaving on a radio or TV when hoomins are not in the house.  The question arises as to programming. Mr. Clark, who operates on the classic principle of the senior noncommissioned officer who tells a new military commander, "Sir, you COMMAND this unit. I RUN it."      The History Channel. BBC comedy also might appeal to him.      Music: an eclectic mixture of military marches, lullabies (he’s        devoted to two-and-four-legged kittens) and perhaps precise        classical music. I can see him appreciating Mozart and Bach. Rhonda, the star, glamour junkie, and clown:      The Comedy Channel      MTV Ding, who has self-image problems:      Self-help shows, but I think recognizing Jerry Springer is        not a good resource      Country and Western. And your furkids’ preferences?

As far as TV goes: Animal Planet, of course! Also, the "Whose Line Is It Anyway?" improv comedy show — Tucker always watches it with us! And as for radio or CDs: The Lord of the Rings soundtracks and classical music (again, Tucker especially loves music) Christine and Omar, Oreo, Midnight, Robin & Tucker

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In a thread on burglary, the excellent suggestion was made of leaving on a radio or TV when hoomins are not in the house.  The question arises as to programming.

<Snip feline opinions And your furkids’ preferences?

All of our furkids love Animal planet, though we had the cable removed over a year ago and they’re getting used to talk shows instead.  They love "Cops", especially the black and whites (and Pine Cone of course).   Action shows are very popular with them, with cartoons being NOT on the watch list.  Jerry Springer, Montel Williams, Maury, and The View are on the hiss list, but Oprah is very well liked.  They also watch Judge Joe Brown, Judge Judy, Peoples Court, and Divorce Court.  I think they like the dramatics. As to music.  They all like various classical Rock music, especially the Doobie Brothers, Bee Gees, and John Denver (I suspect because he was an advocate for animals of all types).  They love Neil Diamond, Carpenters, and soothing seventies music.  They do NOT like KC and the Sunshine Band.  The hiss list includes Heavy metal, but they enjoy Meatloaf.  I suspect that is because of the food factor. I can also get them to listen to Celtic and Classical music, but, like me they hiss at opera.  They HATE Celine Dion, Barbara Streisand, and other high pitched voices.  Unfortunately Manheim Steamroller is among that group because of all the high pitched instruments that they use. Sad, as Manheim Steamroller is one of our favorites. Pine Cone has his own music list.  He likes punk, techno, and celtic music.  He LOVES Meatloaf, and seems to glory in his bad boy image.  I’m afraid to show him a James Dean movie, as he’d probably start sauntering around the house wearing a leather jacket and sneering around the cigarette hanging out of his mouth. Pam S. with tongue firmly planted in cheek.  You can guess about which parts.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -All of our furkids love Animal planet, though we had the cable removed over a year ago and they’re getting used to talk shows instead.  They love "Cops", especially the black and whites (and Pine Cone of course).  Action shows are very popular with them, with cartoons being NOT on the watch list.  Jerry Springer, Montel Williams, Maury, and The View are on the hiss list, but Oprah is very well liked.  They also watch Judge Joe Brown, Judge Judy, Peoples Court, and Divorce Court.  I think they like the dramatics. As to music.  They all like various classical Rock music, especially the Doobie Brothers, Bee Gees, and John Denver (I suspect because he was an advocate for animals of all types).  They love Neil Diamond, Carpenters, and soothing seventies music.  They do NOT like KC and the Sunshine Band.  The hiss list includes Heavy metal, but they enjoy Meatloaf.  I suspect that is because of the food factor. I can also get them to listen to Celtic and Classical music, but, like me they hiss at opera.  They HATE Celine Dion, Barbara Streisand, and other high pitched voices.  Unfortunately Manheim Steamroller is among that group because of all the high pitched instruments that they use. Sad, as Manheim Steamroller is one of our favorites. Pine Cone has his own music list.  He likes punk, techno, and celtic music.  He LOVES Meatloaf, and seems to glory in his bad boy image.  I’m afraid to show him a James Dean movie, as he’d probably start sauntering around the house wearing a leather jacket and sneering around the cigarette hanging out of his mouth. Pam S. with tongue firmly planted in cheek.  You can guess about which parts.

Hmmm. I was listening to oldies internet radio, and discovered my cats hate Donnie Osmond. Honest. They fled the room with their ears back. When I used to play Pavarotti, particularly Nessum Dorma, Cherokee used to get in the middle of the floor and roll over on his back. I say he loved it. DH says it was cat-talk for "If it thinks I"m dead, it will go away." My daughter says locking cats up in a carrier for TED, and making them listen to Harry Chapin all the way in the car is borderline animal abuse. Sherry

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In a thread on burglary, the excellent suggestion was made of leaving on a radio or TV when hoomins are not in the house.  The question arises as to programming.

I’m thinking if the point was to deter burglars, cartoons and other children’s programming would be best.  That would indicate there was more than one person home, likely including an awake young adult. For the same reason Golden Girls would likely be a poor choice. Or old westerns. Jo

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  Hmmm. I was listening to oldies internet radio, and discovered my cats   hate Donnie Osmond. Honest. They fled the room with their ears back. Your cats have good taste. Or at least, they know bad when they hear it.   When I used to play Pavarotti, particularly Nessum Dorma, Cherokee   used to get in the middle of the floor and roll over on his back. I   say he loved it. DH says it was cat-talk for "If it thinks I"m dead,   it will go away." Hmm… I suspect DH was making a comment of his own!   My daughter says locking cats up in a carrier for TED, and making them   listen to Harry Chapin all the way in the car is borderline animal abuse. But maybe they’d like "Cats in the Cradle"? Joyce

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  And your furkids’ preferences? They would most likely enjoy hearing a program that features loud kitten mewing. I’m not that would have much value as a burglar deterrent, though. Joyce

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  And your furkids’ preferences? They would most likely enjoy hearing a program that features loud kitten mewing. I’m not that would have much value as a burglar deterrent, though. Joyce

Vaguely apropos, there was a privately made tape, circulating among classical music stations, of something called "The Cat Cantata". It consisted of Beverly Sills and Elizabeth Schwarzkopf meowing at one another, in top operatic form. Unfortunately, I never had advance warning of when it was going to be played so I could record it. Does anyone know if it’s available?

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  In a thread on burglary, the excellent suggestion was made of leaving   on a radio or TV when hoomins are not in the house.  The question   arises as to programming.     [snip]     And your furkids’ preferences? Brenna likes Enya, Frank Sinatra, Bing Crosby, The male singer with the Glenn Miller Orchestra (whose name completely escapes me right now), and similar "golden-oldies" and new agey stuff. Brenna *does not* like Dean Martin, Rock (hard, soft, or otherwise), country/western, too much talking – play the darn music already!! – Denise

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   And your furkids’ preferences? They would most likely enjoy hearing a program that features loud kitten mewing. I’m not that would have much value as a burglar deterrent, though. Joyce Vaguely apropos, there was a privately made tape, circulating among classical music stations, of something called "The Cat Cantata". It consisted of Beverly Sills and Elizabeth Schwarzkopf meowing at one another, in top operatic form.

It’s by Rossini, who was a cat lover- the name is "Aria per Due Gatte."  I sang it myself in college.  The recording was really Schwarzkopf with Victoria De Los Angeles.  I think it’s out of print, but I’ll check. Unfortunately, I never had advance warning of when it was going to be played so I could record it. Does anyone know if it’s available?

Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com

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And your furkids’ preferences?

Spicey likes shows with animal sounds. New Age & soft rock are her preferred music choices. Suz  Macmoosette =^..^=   =^..^=   =^..^=   =^..^=  =^..^=  =^..^=      "People that hate cats will come back as mice in their next life."      –Faith Resnick |__/| (=’:'=) (")_(")

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In a thread on burglary, the excellent suggestion was made of leaving on a radio or TV when hoomins are not in the house.  The question arises as to programming. [snip] And your furkids’ preferences? Brenna likes Enya, Frank Sinatra, Bing Crosby, The male singer with the Glenn Miller Orchestra (whose name completely escapes me right now),

Tex Benecke? and similar "golden-oldies" and new agey stuff. Brenna *does not* like Dean Martin, Rock (hard, soft, or otherwise), country/western, too much talking – play the darn music already!! – Denise

Stinky is broadminded.  He likes opera, piano music, string quartets, Renaissance music, blues (Chicago and Delta).  Country music is a definitely no-no, though. Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In a thread on burglary, the excellent suggestion was made of leaving on a radio or TV when hoomins are not in the house.  The question arises as to programming. [snip] And your furkids’ preferences? Brenna likes Enya, Frank Sinatra, Bing Crosby, The male singer with the Glenn Miller Orchestra (whose name completely escapes me right now), Tex Benecke?

I think so, but I’ll have to check that particular tape and see.  He has a wonderfully rich bass speaking voice, and is one of the few Brenna likes to listen to talking as well as singing.  I still think it’s funny that I’ll turn on the Oldies station in the car and she’ll be fine until Dean Martin comes on.  Then she starts hollering.  And a couple of other singers I often confuse with Dean Martin are fine.  Go figure. – Denise

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   And your furkids’ preferences? They would most likely enjoy hearing a program that features loud kitten mewing. I’m not that would have much value as a burglar deterrent, though. Joyce Vaguely apropos, there was a privately made tape, circulating among classical music stations, of something called "The Cat Cantata". It consisted of Beverly Sills and Elizabeth Schwarzkopf meowing at one another, in top operatic form. It’s by Rossini, who was a cat lover- the name is "Aria per Due Gatte."  I sang it myself in college.  The recording was really Schwarzkopf with Victoria De Los Angeles.  I think it’s out of print, but I’ll check.

The particular one, I’m sure, was by Sills and Schwarzkopf, or so it was labeled at the FM station where I got a glance of the tape being sent onwards. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Unfortunately, I never had advance warning of when it was going to be played so I could record it. Does anyone know if it’s available?

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For the record, Clifford (RB) ignored music, but liked two things: animal shows that had dogs, coyotes, etc., in it, and speeches by Bill Clinton. He would sit and stare at the TV through the entire State of the Union Address.   I understand that on the farm where he was born, as a planned kitten, he wandered over to the simultaneous Brittany Spaniel litter as soon as he was mobile. He may have thought he was a d*g.

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to say about Re: Cats and Radio: I understand that on the farm where he was born, as a planned kitten, he wandered over to the simultaneous Brittany Spaniel litter as soon as he was mobile. He may have thought he was a d*g.

Kinda reminds me of the time when I was little [before I started school] that we had a litter of kittens and a litter of puppies at the same time. Mama Dog kept stealing the kittens, putting them in with her puppies, then caring for the combined brood. Needless to say, Mama Cat was not amused. The humans were . [We did keep returning the kittens to their correct mother, though. ] — "The universe is quite robust in design and appears to be doing just fine on its own, incompetent support staff notwithstanding. " – the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL

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Yep, he sure could purr.  I didn’t agree with his politics, but he sure could purr. — Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus      www.lds.org      www.mormons.com

For the record, Clifford (RB) ignored music, but liked two things: animal shows that had dogs, coyotes, etc., in it, and speeches by Bill Clinton. He would sit and stare at the TV through the entire State of the Union Address.

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Yep, he sure could purr.  I didn’t agree with his politics, but he sure could purr.

Washington rumor has it that the time he fell and damaged his knee, his first words were "I feel my pain."

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  Yep, [Clinton] sure could purr.  I didn’t agree with his politics,   but he sure could purr. Neither did I. Joyce

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – rec.pets.cats.anecdotes All of our furkids love Animal planet, though we had the cable removed over a year ago and they’re getting used to talk shows instead.  They love "Cops", especially the black and whites (and Pine Cone of course).   Action shows are very popular with them, with cartoons being   NOT on the watch list.  Jerry Springer, Montel Williams, Maury, and The View are on the hiss list, but Oprah is very well liked.  They also watch Judge Joe Brown, Judge Judy, Peoples Court, and Divorce Court.  I think they like the dramatics. This reminded me of a pic I hadn’t put up. Rhett likes TV, and here he is watching the news.

Awww!  Is he keeping track of the baseball trades?  He looks so cute perched on the arm like that. Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com

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  This reminded me of a pic I hadn’t put up. Rhett likes TV, and   here he is watching the news.   NOTE: There is another "Shamrock’s head" in this shot. What an   attention seeker he is!   http://tinyurl.com/56k7o Oh, how cute!! He seems to be a sports fan. But I don’t see the Shamrock Head (TM). Unless that’s him up on top of the cat tree, in the far right of the picture? He doesn’t look particularly interested in the proceedings. Joyce

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This reminded me of a pic I hadn’t put up. Rhett likes TV, and here he is watching the news.

Aww, he’s so attentive! NOTE: There is another "Shamrock’s head" in this shot. What an attention seeker he is!

LOL! — Marina, Frank and Nikki marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki

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  It was. I never see him when I’m snapping the pic, but then,   there he is. lol Ooo, stealth kitty! Or, like a ghost you can’t see in real life, but who <cue Twilight Zone music appears in a photo you took! Joyce

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This reminded me of a pic I hadn’t put up. Rhett likes TV, and here he is watching the news. NOTE: There is another "Shamrock’s head" in this shot. What an attention seeker he is! http://tinyurl.com/56k7o Oh, how cute!! He seems to be a sports fan. But I don’t see the Shamrock Head (TM). Unless that’s him up on top of the cat tree, in the far right of the picture? He doesn’t look particularly interested in the proceedings. Joyce It was. I never see him when I’m snapping the pic, but then, there he is. lol

He has his teleporter on a timer.  He just beams in at the last second. Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com

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the Montreal shooting – I used to feel bad about it, but not

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Hardpan <hard…@yahoo.com> wrote in news:juapr01v44ud1a3vm1t923n74oees1fn40@4ax.com: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> On 12 Dec 2004 04:54:00 -0800, "Rafer" <robertclays…@yahoo.com> > wrote: >>Hardpan wrote: >>> >I do not agree with what Lepine did, nor do I condone it.  But >>neither >>> >do I condemn him.  As the result of years of watching men being >>stepped >>> >on and ridiculed by most women that I’ve met, the only thing I feel >>> >when men lash out in retaliation is indifference. >>> You dont really think this shooting helped Mens Rights do you? >>Honestly, this idea of a "men’s rights" movement strikes me as rather >>un-manly.  Societies and civilizations were built by the sweat, blood, >>and labor of man’s hands – and now they have to beg like a pathetic >>weakling for "equal rights" with *women*, of all people?  Please. >>Anyway, I don’t think this so-called "men’s rights" movement will >>achieve much beyond marginal, isolated victories, because men (unlike >>women) are by nature individualistic.   Men aren’t the collective types >>that make movements work.  Count me out of any "men’s rights movement." > The Men’s Rights movement is still a growing movement, and is not > covered by the press very often. > That does not mean it doesn’t exist. > In point of fact, it can be an individual movement and/or a group > movement at the same time. > It is not mutually exclusive. > With the advent of the Internet, men can see that millions of other > men are getting screwed royally in the divorce court system, and they > are opting out of being married at all or without a pre-nuptial > agreement and are choosing to have their sperm permanently blocked by > a vasectomy, so that they cannot be held hostage by a female any > longer.

This suggest an excellent metaphor for the socmen: Men who would cut off their own balls to spite feminists.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hardpan wrote: > On 12 Dec 2004 04:54:00 -0800, "Rafer" <robertclays…@yahoo.com> > wrote: > >Hardpan wrote: > >> >I do not agree with what Lepine did, nor do I condone it.  But > >neither > >> >do I condemn him.  As the result of years of watching men being > >stepped > >> >on and ridiculed by most women that I’ve met, the only thing I feel > >> >when men lash out in retaliation is indifference. > >> You dont really think this shooting helped Mens Rights do you? > >Honestly, this idea of a "men’s rights" movement strikes me as rather > >un-manly.  Societies and civilizations were built by the sweat, blood, > >and labor of man’s hands – and now they have to beg like a pathetic > >weakling for "equal rights" with *women*, of all people?  Please. > >Anyway, I don’t think this so-called "men’s rights" movement will > >achieve much beyond marginal, isolated victories, because men (unlike > >women) are by nature individualistic.   Men aren’t the collective types > >that make movements work.  Count me out of any "men’s rights movement." > The Men’s Rights movement is still a growing movement, and is not > covered by the press very often. > That does not mean it doesn’t exist. > In point of fact, it can be an individual movement and/or a group > movement at the same time. > It is not mutually exclusive. > With the advent of the Internet, men can see that millions of other > men are getting screwed royally in the divorce court system, and they > are opting out of being married at all or without a pre-nuptial > agreement and are choosing to have their sperm permanently blocked by > a vasectomy, so that they cannot be held hostage by a female any > longer. > " Count me out of any "men’s rights movement." you say? > Fine. > Do as you will, but when you are working two jobs to pay your alimony > and child support, while your ex-wife is screwing your ex-best friend, > dont come complaining to us, when you cant pay up and the police lock > you up in jail for failure to pony up the $$$ .

Don’t worry – paying alimony or CS isn’t part of my master plan anyway. My sympathies to fellow men everywhere in that situation.  I wish them well.  Use whatever resources at hand to fight for your due.  I’ve heard enough complaining from others anyway.   And in the meantime, my post still stands irrespective of any "movement."

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It definitely damaged men’s rights. Luckily, there is no such thing as men’s rights.

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>It definitely damaged men’s rights. Luckily, there is no such thing as >men’s rights.

  LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Hardpan wrote: > >I do not agree with what Lepine did, nor do I condone it.  But neither > >do I condemn him.  As the result of years of watching men being stepped > >on and ridiculed by most women that I’ve met, the only thing I feel > >when men lash out in retaliation is indifference. > You dont really think this shooting helped Mens Rights do you?

Honestly, this idea of a "men’s rights" movement strikes me as rather un-manly.  Societies and civilizations were built by the sweat, blood, and labor of man’s hands – and now they have to beg like a pathetic weakling for "equal rights" with *women*, of all people?  Please. Anyway, I don’t think this so-called "men’s rights" movement will achieve much beyond marginal, isolated victories, because men (unlike women) are by nature individualistic.   Men aren’t the collective types that make movements work.  Count me out of any "men’s rights movement."

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Asshole Movement

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Jesus waould have been olive skinned, cause thats wht colour the folk are around  Jerusalem.

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Yeah Jesus was a semite. Semitic people tend to have kinky hair, broad noses, Not like a Negro broad nose, over all broad, to handle desert heat (just like the characteristic hair) and a darker skin tone. I bet he wasn’t "white". The pictures of Christ as Blue eyed and blond are baseless conjecturings I bet. However….ahem…..if there was any amount of inbreeding with the Egyptians its possible. The Egyptians had vast numbers of different racial stocks from Oriental to Blond and Blue to etc. They were in the habit of periodically freeing their slaves. Intermarriage was likely, I’d bet. Excuse the term intermarriage, I don’t know how else to phrase it. And being the decision to hide in Egypt was made after the slaughter of the innocents, it may hint that his characteristics enabled him to blend in to the Egyptian populace. Egypt at that time was ruled by Rome too, incidently. In my eye I feel the Christian message makes his exact racial stock/make up inconsequential. Certainly he was a Hebrew. Damo http://community.webtv.net/damodara/MystoryasIseeit

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Jesus Christ was probably white, but didn’t come just for the white man. I am mestizo and anti-white.

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BOWEL MOVEMENT.

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Daniel Urtiz wrote: > BOWEL MOVEMENT.

LMAO, i was thinking of that right when I opened the post. I am white, yet somehow synced with the collective unconcious. m.

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Daniel Urtiz wrote: > Jesus Christ was probably white, but didn’t come just for the white man. > I am mestizo and anti-white.

White is the sum of all colors. m.

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The priest.

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divorce court

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They don’t care. Why should I?

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It’s not always the gun or technology that wins. Good friendships, a good cause, and virtue can be assets. Lying and selfishness are not virtuous and are quite a part of the white race. But don’t ask one about it.

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Q**** of S***** Right to Remain Silent. Hospital Security. Restraining Straps. Insufficient Cause.

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I do not consider Virginia Urtiz to be my mother. I currently live with her because I have nowhere else to go. Homeless shelters might not be an option anymore because psychiatrists and cops might give me a hard time there. There was a time when I could have gone to one and maintained a modicum of anonymity, but three very stupid cops interfered and screwed that up.

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The incident at Mustang Village should never have happened and my family is somewhat a part of it. Sorry, the grammophobe loses. I might not waste time with it in a courtroom. What do you think that means?

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mercy

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In my opinion, Doctor Arnold Hartman is not a good person. Very few psychiatrists or law enforcement officers truly are.

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You might not find it in your Bible.

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Power that is used peoperly is not wrong.

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Teching out can have certain advantages. It somewhat removes you from their stream, which is often dirtier. They’re fooling themselves if they think they know God.

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Despite what my mother has told me, you can probably bark more freely at the typical homeless shelter than you can at some other locations. I don’t like Lilly White communities. They’re not what they seem.

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I am intelligent, but should not have to prove it. How intelligent I am is none of your business. If you come into my home, you better have a good excuse.

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I’m not sure it’s so quixotic. It could eventually take off and it could get ugly and dangerous for "them".

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