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RESUME OF GEORGE W  BUSH 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, Washington, DC 20520 EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE: LAW ENFORCEMENT: I was arrested in Kennebunkport, Maine, in 1976 for driving under the I

cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas treasury to the tune of billions in borrowed money.

What a dumb fuck. Texas constitution does not allow a negative deficit. If there is no more money  then they go without. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I set the record for the most executions by any governor in American history. With the help of my brother, the governor of Florida, and my father’s appointments to the Supreme Court, I became President after losing by over 500,000 votes. ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS PRESIDENT: I am the first President in U.S.  history to enter office with a criminal record. I invaded and occupied two countries at a continuing cost of over one billion dollars per week. I spent the U.S.  surplus and effectively bankrupted the U.S. Treasury. I shattered the record for the largest annual deficit in U.S. history. I set an economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12-month period. I set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12-month period. I set the all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the U.S. stock market. In my first year in office, over 2 million Americans lost their jobs and that trend continues every month. I’m proud that the members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in U.S. history.   My "poorest millionaire," Condoleeza Rice, has a Chevron oil tanker named after her. I set the record for most campaign fundraising trips by a U.S. President. I am the all-time U.S.  and world record-holder for receiving the most corporate campaign donations. My largest lifetime campaign contributor, and one of my best friends, Kenneth Lay, presided over the largest corporate bankruptcy fraud in U.S. History, Enron. My political party used Enron private jets and corporate attorneys to assure my success with the U.S.  Supreme Court during my election decision. I have protected my friends at Enron and Halliburton against investigation or prosecution. More time and money was spent investigating the Monica Lewinsky affair than has been spent investigating one of the biggest corporate rip-offs in history. I presided over the biggest energy crisis in U.S.  history and refused to intervene when corruption involving the oil industry was revealed. I presided over the highest gasoline prices in U.S.  history. I changed the U.S.  policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts. I appointed more convicted criminals to administration than any President in U.S. history. I created the Ministry of Homeland Security, the largest bureaucracy in the history of the United States government. I’ve broken more international treaties than any President in U.S. history. I am the first President in U.S.  history to have the United Nations remove the U.S.  from the Human Rights Commission. I withdrew the U.S.  from the World Court of Law. I refused to allow inspector’s access to U.S. "prisoners of war" detainees and thereby have refused to abide by the Geneva Convention. I am the first President in history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 U.S. election). I set the record for fewest numbers of press conferences of any President since the advent of television. I set the all-time record for most days on vacation in any one-year period. After taking off the entire month of August, I presided over the worst security failure in U.S.  history. I garnered the most sympathy ever for the U.S. after the World Trade Center attacks and less than a year later made the U.S.  the most hated country in the world, the largest failure of diplomacy in world history. I have set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously protest me in public venues (15 million people), shattering the record for protests against any person in the history of mankind. I am the first President in U.S.  history to order an unprovoked, preemptive attack and the military occupation of a sovereign nation.  I did so against the will of the United Nations, the majority of U.S.  citizens, and the world community. I have cut health care benefits for war veterans and support a cut in duty benefits for active duty troops and their families in wartime. In my State of the Union Address, I lied about our reasons for attacking Iraq and then blamed the lies on our British friends. I am the first President in history to have a majority of Europeans (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and security. I am supporting development of a nuclear "Tactical Bunker Buster," a WMD. I have so far failed to fulfill my pledge to bring Osama Bin Laden to justice. RECORDS AND REFERENCES: All records of my tenure as governor of Texas are now in my father’s library, sealed and unavailable for public view. All records of SEC investigations into my insider trading and my bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view. All records or minutes from meetings that I, or my Vice-president, attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public review. PLEASE CONSIDER MY EXPERIENCE WHEN VOTING IN 2004!

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RESUME OF GEORGE W  BUSH 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, Washington, DC 20520 ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS GOVERNOR OF TEXAS: I changed Texas pollution laws to favor power and oil companies, making Texas the most polluted state in the Union.   During my tenure, Houston replaced Los Angeles as the most smog-ridden city in America.

Not exactly. Houston’s air pollution problem was with ground-level ozone ONLY. According to the EPA, there are SIX components or kinds of air pollution, ozone being just ONE of them. http://www.dallasnews.com/texas_southwest/STORY.e9eb444f2b.b0.af.0.a4…. html "In some ways, calling Houston America’s smoggiest city misrepresented the relative quality of air in the two cities. Los Angeles’ air is worse than Houston’s in other categories. But ozone is the primary pollutant of concern and therefore gets more attention, officials said." More recent info on ozone violations: http://www.lungusa.org/site/pp.asp?c=dvLUK9O0E&b=50752 Metropolitan Areas with the Worst Ozone Air Pollution 1  LOS ANGELES-RIVERSIDE-ORANGE COUNTY, CA   2  FRESNO, CA   3  BAKERSFIELD, CA   4  VISALIA- -PORTERVILLE, CA   5  HOUSTON-BAYTOWN-HUNTSVILLE, TX CMSA 6  MERCED, CA   7  SACRAMENTO-ARDEN-ARCADE–TRUCKEE, CA-NV 8  HANFORD-CORCORAN, CA 9  KNOXVILLE-SEVIERVILLE-LA FOLLETTE, TN   10  DALLAS-FORT WORTH, TX CMSA And overall air quality: http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/metropolitan/2056693 Number of days in 2000-2002 when air quality was unhealthy 1. Riverside-San Bernardino, Ca. 445 days 2. Fresno, Ca. 421 3. Bakersfield, Ca. 409 4. Los Angeles-Long Beach, Ca. 255 5. Sacramento, Ca. 163 6. Pittsburgh, Penn. 134 7. Knoxville, Tenn. 109 8. Birmingham, Al. 100 9. Houston, Tx. 94 10. Baltimore, Md. 93 And particle pollution: http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/science/05/01/smoggy.skies.ap/index.html "…. 1999-2001 EPA data, do not take into account a pollutant that’s considered more dangerous than smog — tiny particles of soot that can lodge deep in the lungs and cause heart problems and even death." http://www.lungusa.org/site/pp.asp?c=dvLUK9O0E&b=50752 Metropolitan Areas Most Polluted by Year-Round Particle Pollution 1  LOS ANGELES-LONG BEACH-RIVERSIDE, CA   2  VISALIA-PORTERVILLE, CA   3  BAKERSFIELD, CA   4  FRESNO-MADERA, CA   5  PITTSBURGH-NEW CASTLE, PA   6  DETROIT-WARREN-FLINT, MI   7  ATLANTA-SANDY SPRINGS-GAINESVILLE, GA   8  CLEVELAND-AKRON-ELYRIA, OH 9  HANFORD-CORCORAN, CA 10  BIRMINGHAM-HOOVER-CULLMAN, AL   (Houston is not on the list of 26 cities)

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RESUME OF GEORGE W  BUSH 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, Washington, DC 20520 EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE: LAW ENFORCEMENT: I was arrested in Kennebunkport, Maine, in 1976 for driving under the influence of alcohol. I pled guilty, paid a fine, and had my driver’s license suspended for 30 days.   My Texas driving record has been "lost" and is not available. MILITARY: I joined the Texas Air National Guard and went AWOL.   I refused to take a drug test or answer any questions about my drug use.   By joining the Texas Air National Guard, I was able to avoid combat duty in Vietnam. COLLEGE: I graduated from Yale University with a low C average. I was a cheerleader. PAST WORK EXPERIENCE: I ran for U.S.  Congress and lost.   I began my career in the oil business in Midland, Texas, in 1975.   I bought an oil company, but couldn’t find any oil in Texas. The company went bankrupt shortly after I sold all my stock.   I bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart deal that took land using taxpayer money.   With the help of my father and our friends in he oil industry (including Enron CEO Ken Lay), I was elected governor of Texas. ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS GOVERNOR OF TEXAS: I changed Texas pollution laws to favor power and oil companies, making Texas the most polluted state in the Union.   During my tenure, Houston replaced Los Angeles as the most smog-ridden city in America. I cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas treasury to the tune of billions in borrowed money. I set the record for the most executions by any governor in American history. With the help of my brother, the governor of Florida, and my father’s appointments to the Supreme Court, I became President after losing by over 500,000 votes. ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS PRESIDENT: I am the first President in U.S.  history to enter office with a criminal record. I invaded and occupied two countries at a continuing cost of over one billion dollars per week. I spent the U.S.  surplus and effectively bankrupted the U.S. Treasury. I shattered the record for the largest annual deficit in U.S. history. I set an economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12-month period. I set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12-month period. I set the all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the U.S. stock market. In my first year in office, over 2 million Americans lost their jobs and that trend continues every month. I’m proud that the members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in U.S. history.   My "poorest millionaire," Condoleeza Rice, has a Chevron oil tanker named after her. I set the record for most campaign fundraising trips by a U.S. President. I am the all-time U.S.  and world record-holder for receiving the most corporate campaign donations. My largest lifetime campaign contributor, and one of my best friends, Kenneth Lay, presided over the largest corporate bankruptcy fraud in U.S. History, Enron. My political party used Enron private jets and corporate attorneys to assure my success with the U.S.  Supreme Court during my election decision. I have protected my friends at Enron and Halliburton against investigation or prosecution. More time and money was spent investigating the Monica Lewinsky affair than has been spent investigating one of the biggest corporate rip-offs in history. I presided over the biggest energy crisis in U.S.  history and refused to intervene when corruption involving the oil industry was revealed. I presided over the highest gasoline prices in U.S.  history. I changed the U.S.  policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts. I appointed more convicted criminals to administration than any President in U.S. history. I created the Ministry of Homeland Security, the largest bureaucracy in the history of the United States government. I’ve broken more international treaties than any President in U.S. history. I am the first President in U.S.  history to have the United Nations remove the U.S.  from the Human Rights Commission. I withdrew the U.S.  from the World Court of Law. I refused to allow inspector’s access to U.S. "prisoners of war" detainees and thereby have refused to abide by the Geneva Convention. I am the first President in history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 U.S. election). I set the record for fewest numbers of press conferences of any President since the advent of television. I set the all-time record for most days on vacation in any one-year period. After taking off the entire month of August, I presided over the worst security failure in U.S.  history. I garnered the most sympathy ever for the U.S. after the World Trade Center attacks and less than a year later made the U.S.  the most hated country in the world, the largest failure of diplomacy in world history. I have set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously protest me in public venues (15 million people), shattering the record for protests against any person in the history of mankind. I am the first President in U.S.  history to order an unprovoked, preemptive attack and the military occupation of a sovereign nation.  I did so against the will of the United Nations, the majority of U.S.  citizens, and the world community. I have cut health care benefits for war veterans and support a cut in duty benefits for active duty troops and their families in wartime. In my State of the Union Address, I lied about our reasons for attacking Iraq and then blamed the lies on our British friends. I am the first President in history to have a majority of Europeans (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and security. I am supporting development of a nuclear "Tactical Bunker Buster," a WMD. I have so far failed to fulfill my pledge to bring Osama Bin Laden to justice. RECORDS AND REFERENCES: All records of my tenure as governor of Texas are now in my father’s library, sealed and unavailable for public view. All records of SEC investigations into my insider trading and my bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view. All records or minutes from meetings that I, or my Vice-president, attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public review. PLEASE CONSIDER MY EXPERIENCE WHEN VOTING IN 2004!

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – RESUME OF GEORGE W  BUSH 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, Washington, DC 20520 EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE: LAW ENFORCEMENT: I was arrested in Kennebunkport, Maine, in 1976 for driving under the influence of alcohol. I pled guilty, paid a fine, and had my driver’s license suspended for 30 days.   My Texas driving record has been "lost" and is not available. MILITARY: I joined the Texas Air National Guard and went AWOL.   I refused to take a drug test or answer any questions about my drug use.   By joining the Texas Air National Guard, I was able to avoid combat duty in Vietnam. COLLEGE: I graduated from Yale University with a low C average. I was a cheerleader. PAST WORK EXPERIENCE: I ran for U.S.  Congress and lost.   I began my career in the oil business in Midland, Texas, in 1975.   I bought an oil company, but couldn’t find any oil in Texas. The company went bankrupt shortly after I sold all my stock.   I bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart deal that took land using taxpayer money.   With the help of my father and our friends in he oil industry (including Enron CEO Ken Lay), I was elected governor of Texas. ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS GOVERNOR OF TEXAS: I changed Texas pollution laws to favor power and oil companies, making Texas the most polluted state in the Union.   During my tenure, Houston replaced Los Angeles as the most smog-ridden city in America. I cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas treasury to the tune of billions in borrowed money. I set the record for the most executions by any governor in American history. With the help of my brother, the governor of Florida, and my father’s appointments to the Supreme Court, I became President after losing by over 500,000 votes. ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS PRESIDENT: I am the first President in U.S.  history to enter office with a criminal record. I invaded and occupied two countries at a continuing cost of over one billion dollars per week. I spent the U.S.  surplus and effectively bankrupted the U.S. Treasury. I shattered the record for the largest annual deficit in U.S. history. I set an economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12-month period. I set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12-month period. I set the all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the U.S. stock market. In my first year in office, over 2 million Americans lost their jobs and that trend continues every month. I’m proud that the members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in U.S. history.   My "poorest millionaire," Condoleeza Rice, has a Chevron oil tanker named after her. I set the record for most campaign fundraising trips by a U.S. President. I am the all-time U.S.  and world record-holder for receiving the most corporate campaign donations. My largest lifetime campaign contributor, and one of my best friends, Kenneth Lay, presided over the largest corporate bankruptcy fraud in U.S. History, Enron. My political party used Enron private jets and corporate attorneys to assure my success with the U.S.  Supreme Court during my election decision. I have protected my friends at Enron and Halliburton against investigation or prosecution. More time and money was spent investigating the Monica Lewinsky affair than has been spent investigating one of the biggest corporate rip-offs in history. I presided over the biggest energy crisis in U.S.  history and refused to intervene when corruption involving the oil industry was revealed. I presided over the highest gasoline prices in U.S.  history. I changed the U.S.  policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts. I appointed more convicted criminals to administration than any President in U.S. history. I created the Ministry of Homeland Security, the largest bureaucracy in the history of the United States government. I’ve broken more international treaties than any President in U.S. history. I am the first President in U.S.  history to have the United Nations remove the U.S.  from the Human Rights Commission. I withdrew the U.S.  from the World Court of Law. I refused to allow inspector’s access to U.S. "prisoners of war" detainees and thereby have refused to abide by the Geneva Convention. I am the first President in history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 U.S. election). I set the record for fewest numbers of press conferences of any President since the advent of television. I set the all-time record for most days on vacation in any one-year period. After taking off the entire month of August, I presided over the worst security failure in U.S.  history. I garnered the most sympathy ever for the U.S. after the World Trade Center attacks and less than a year later made the U.S.  the most hated country in the world, the largest failure of diplomacy in world history. I have set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously protest me in public venues (15 million people), shattering the record for protests against any person in the history of mankind. I am the first President in U.S.  history to order an unprovoked, preemptive attack and the military occupation of a sovereign nation.  I did so against the will of the United Nations, the majority of U.S.  citizens, and the world community. I have cut health care benefits for war veterans and support a cut in duty benefits for active duty troops and their families in wartime. In my State of the Union Address, I lied about our reasons for attacking Iraq and then blamed the lies on our British friends. I am the first President in history to have a majority of Europeans (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and security. I am supporting development of a nuclear "Tactical Bunker Buster," a WMD. I have so far failed to fulfill my pledge to bring Osama Bin Laden to justice. RECORDS AND REFERENCES: All records of my tenure as governor of Texas are now in my father’s library, sealed and unavailable for public view. All records of SEC investigations into my insider trading and my bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view. All records or minutes from meetings that I, or my Vice-president, attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public review. PLEASE CONSIDER MY EXPERIENCE WHEN VOTING IN 2004!      O.K., seems a little negative, but how about the "people skills" and does he play well with others? I know he shares well, in politics, you have to.    Don’t know what your intention was, but you blew it for a job application for the Bush Channey camp,, perhaps you’re a democrat?

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – RESUME OF GEORGE W  BUSH 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, Washington, DC 20520 EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE: LAW ENFORCEMENT: I was arrested in Kennebunkport, Maine, in 1976 for driving under the influence of alcohol. I pled guilty, paid a fine, and had my driver’s license suspended for 30 days.   My Texas driving record has been "lost" and is not available. MILITARY: I joined the Texas Air National Guard and went AWOL.   I refused to take a drug test or answer any questions about my drug use.   By joining the Texas Air National Guard, I was able to avoid combat duty in Vietnam. COLLEGE: I graduated from Yale University with a low C average. I was a cheerleader. PAST WORK EXPERIENCE: I ran for U.S.  Congress and lost.   I began my career in the oil business in Midland, Texas, in 1975.   I bought an oil company, but couldn’t find any oil in Texas. The company went bankrupt shortly after I sold all my stock.   I bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart deal that took land using taxpayer money.   With the help of my father and our friends in he oil industry (including Enron CEO Ken Lay), I was elected governor of Texas. ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS GOVERNOR OF TEXAS: I changed Texas pollution laws to favor power and oil companies, making Texas the most polluted state in the Union.   During my tenure, Houston replaced Los Angeles as the most smog-ridden city in America. I cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas treasury to the tune of billions in borrowed money. I set the record for the most executions by any governor in American history. With the help of my brother, the governor of Florida, and my father’s appointments to the Supreme Court, I became President after losing by over 500,000 votes. ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS PRESIDENT: I am the first President in U.S.  history to enter office with a criminal record. I invaded and occupied two countries at a continuing cost of over one billion dollars per week. I spent the U.S.  surplus and effectively bankrupted the U.S. Treasury. I shattered the record for the largest annual deficit in U.S. history. I set an economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12-month period. I set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12-month period. I set the all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the U.S. stock market. In my first year in office, over 2 million Americans lost their jobs and that trend continues every month. I’m proud that the members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in U.S. history.   My "poorest millionaire," Condoleeza Rice, has a Chevron oil tanker named after her. I set the record for most campaign fundraising trips by a U.S. President. I am the all-time U.S.  and world record-holder for receiving the most corporate campaign donations. My largest lifetime campaign contributor, and one of my best friends, Kenneth Lay, presided over the largest corporate bankruptcy fraud in U.S. History, Enron. My political party used Enron private jets and corporate attorneys to assure my success with the U.S.  Supreme Court during my election decision. I have protected my friends at Enron and Halliburton against investigation or prosecution. More time and money was spent investigating the Monica Lewinsky affair than has been spent investigating one of the biggest corporate rip-offs in history. I presided over the biggest energy crisis in U.S.  history and refused to intervene when corruption involving the oil industry was revealed. I presided over the highest gasoline prices in U.S.  history. I changed the U.S.  policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts. I appointed more convicted criminals to administration than any President in U.S. history. I created the Ministry of Homeland Security, the largest bureaucracy in the history of the United States government. I’ve broken more international treaties than any President in U.S. history. I am the first President in U.S.  history to have the United Nations remove the U.S.  from the Human Rights Commission. I withdrew the U.S.  from the World Court of Law. I refused to allow inspector’s access to U.S. "prisoners of war" detainees and thereby have refused to abide by the Geneva Convention. I am the first President in history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 U.S. election). I set the record for fewest numbers of press conferences of any President since the advent of television. I set the all-time record for most days on vacation in any one-year period. After taking off the entire month of August, I presided over the worst security failure in U.S.  history. I garnered the most sympathy ever for the U.S. after the World Trade Center attacks and less than a year later made the U.S.  the most hated country in the world, the largest failure of diplomacy in world history. I have set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously protest me in public venues (15 million people), shattering the record for protests against any person in the history of mankind. I am the first President in U.S.  history to order an unprovoked, preemptive attack and the military occupation of a sovereign nation.  I did so against the will of the United Nations, the majority of U.S.  citizens, and the world community. I have cut health care benefits for war veterans and support a cut in duty benefits for active duty troops and their families in wartime. In my State of the Union Address, I lied about our reasons for attacking Iraq and then blamed the lies on our British friends. I am the first President in history to have a majority of Europeans (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and security. I am supporting development of a nuclear "Tactical Bunker Buster," a WMD. I have so far failed to fulfill my pledge to bring Osama Bin Laden to justice. RECORDS AND REFERENCES: All records of my tenure as governor of Texas are now in my father’s library, sealed and unavailable for public view. All records of SEC investigations into my insider trading and my bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view. All records or minutes from meetings that I, or my Vice-president, attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public review. PLEASE CONSIDER MY EXPERIENCE WHEN VOTING IN 2004!

     O.K., seems a little negative, but how about the "people skills" and does he play well with others? I know he shares well, in politics, you have to.    Don’t know what your intention was, but you blew it for a job application for the Bush Channey camp,, perhaps you’re a democrat?

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I ran for U.S.  Congress and lost.

So did Kerry.  I began my career in the oil business in Midland, Texas, in 1975.   I bought an oil company, but couldn’t find any oil in Texas.

Maybe he should have married money, like Kerry did, TWICE!!! I changed Texas pollution laws to favor power and oil companies, making Texas the most polluted state in the Union.

I’ve been to Texas. New York and California are worse. I set the record for the most executions by any governor in American history.

That could be a good thing. With the help of my brother, the governor of Florida, and my father’s appointments to the Supreme Court, I became President after losing by over 500,000 votes.

Bush won the election. It was Democrats who tried to steal the election by changing election rules after the fact to squeeze every last vote out of counties that voted very heavily democrat. The disputed election systems CHOSEN BY DEMOCRATS, SET UP BY DEMOCRATS, RUN BY DEMOCRATS and RECOUNTED BY DEMOCRATS was NOT a Republican conspiracy. ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS PRESIDENT: I am the first President in U.S.  history to enter office with a criminal record.

misdemeanors don’t count you know. I invaded and occupied two countries at a continuing cost of over one billion dollars per week.

He is winning the war on terror, and making up for 8 years of Clinton’s ineffective anti-terror. I spent the U.S.  surplus and effectively bankrupted the U.S. Treasury. I shattered the record for the largest annual deficit in U.S. history.

I thought it was a Republican Congress who balanced the budget. In my first year in office, over 2 million Americans lost their jobs and that trend continues every month.

The current unemployment rate is slightly better than it was during Clinton’s re-election campaign. I’m proud that the members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in U.S. history.   My "poorest millionaire,"

If Kerry gets elected you can call him your "poorest billionaire". I set the record for most campaign fundraising trips by a U.S. President.

Kerry is AWOL from the senate to campaign for President. I am the all-time U.S.  and world record-holder for receiving the most corporate campaign donations.

Gotta love those Clinton’s "campaign reforms". I have protected my friends at Enron and Halliburton against investigation or prosecution.

Is that anything like an entire political party protecting a President against impeachment? More time and money was spent investigating the Monica Lewinsky affair….

You’re not supposed to count investigative reporters. I presided over the highest gasoline prices in U.S.  history.

That’s because we are refilling the national reserve, a good thing to have incase some terrorist nukes a US city. Also China’s oil consumption has risen drastically, a fact they ignore in most the mainstream media. I changed the U.S.  policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.

How else would Clinton appointees get a job? I appointed more convicted criminals to administration than any President in U.S. history.

I think Clinton has the record on that one. I created the Ministry of Homeland Security, the largest bureaucracy in the history of the United States government.

Not as big as what Clinton tried to do with the medical industry. I’ve broken more international treaties than any President in U.S. history.

Name one. I am the first President in U.S.  history to have the United Nations remove the U.S.  from the Human Rights Commission.

It was overrun by ruthless dictators who were giving the US a bad name. I withdrew the U.S.  from the World Court of Law.

Yeah!! I refused to allow inspector’s access to U.S. "prisoners of war" detainees and thereby have refused to abide by the Geneva Convention.

Considering they are actively trying to acquire nuclear weapons, shouldn’t we get off their backs??! This is the first time in history that human rights have gotten in the way of national security. I am the first President in history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 U.S. election).

And Clinton was the first to accept them. I set the record for fewest numbers of press conferences of any President since the advent of television.

The press has never been so hostile to a US President since Nixon. I set the all-time record for most days on vacation in any one-year period. After taking off the entire month of August, I presided over the worst security failure in U.S.  history.

The 9-11 attacks took 5 years of preparation, so Clinton actually did most the presiding. I garnered the most sympathy ever for the U.S. after the World Trade Center attacks and less than a year later made the U.S.  the most hated country in the world, the largest failure of diplomacy in world history.

I’d rather be hated than have a US city go up in flames. Things they don’t report in the press is that Clinton, in a presidential speech announced he was ordering air strikes against Iraqi chemcial, biological AND nuclear WMD programs. There was also a convoy of 35 trucks (18 wheelers) that went from Iraq to Seria just before the US invasion. One reason Europe hates us is Clinton put US troops under UN control, Bush refused to and Kerry has promised to. Yeah, they like Kerry a lot more than Bush. Kerry also has a lot more connections to foreign corporations than Bush. I have set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously protest me in public venues (15 million people), shattering the record for protests against any person in the history of mankind.

More than Hitler or Stalin? Wow! Maybe that just proves how stupid they are. I am the first President in U.S.  history to order an unprovoked, preemptive attack and the military occupation of a sovereign nation.

You might want to check your facts on that one. The invasions and occupation of S. Vietnam and Haiti were unprovoked and ordered by Democrat Presidents.  I did so against the will of the United Nations, the majority of U.S. citizens, and the world community.

The UN doesn’t have sovereignty over the US. I have cut health care benefits for war veterans and support a cut in duty benefits for active duty troops and their families in wartime.

Kerry’s betrayal of his fellow vets was far worse. In my State of the Union Address, I lied about our reasons for attacking Iraq and then blamed the lies on our British friends.

He didn’t lie about WMD. Saddam had 8 years of Clinton to hide them. I am the first President in history to have a majority of Europeans (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and security.

I thought N. Korea was a bigger threat? I am supporting development of a nuclear "Tactical Bunker Buster," a WMD.

Good. I have so far failed to fulfill my pledge to bring Osama Bin Laden to justice.

He’s dead in some bombed out bunker. RECORDS AND REFERENCES: All records of my tenure as governor of Texas are now in my father’s library, sealed and unavailable for public view. All records of SEC investigations into my insider trading and my bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view. All records or minutes from meetings that I, or my Vice-president, attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public review.

Still waiting for Kerry to release the rest of his Vietnam records and his divorce records from his previous marriage. Lets look at Kerry’s record: — voted to kill major, successful weapons programs including the F-14, F-15, F-16 fighters, the M1-Abrams main battle tank, the Trident missle, the cruse missile, (among others) Had kerry had his way we’d have lost the cold war. — Voted for every major tax increase including Bush Sr.’s "no new taxes" tax and Clinton’s "i didn’t say i wouldn’t =raise= taxes on the middle class" tax. — Has the #1 most liberal voting record in the senate including for partial birth abortion. — He appoints liberal judges and blocks the appointment of conservative judges. — His convention is at least 3 or 4 steps below the moral fiber of the Republican National Convention.

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Another pointless sex scandal

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Simple answer, hon….. asspicking and giving blow-jobs. It’s his only real-life skills that pay his rent. hehehe Are those some of the new classes mandated by the every child left behind act?

As far as I know, only in the states of Arkansas and Missouri. hehehe – theoneflasehaddock

The biggest conspiracy of all is that there is no conspiracy. hehehe

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Simple answer, hon….. asspicking and giving blow-jobs. It’s his only real-life skills that pay his rent. hehehe

Are those some of the new classes mandated by the every child left behind act? – theoneflasehaddock

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Tell us what fields your alleged master’s degrees are in, fOt. Projection 101 Advanced Asspicking A History of Fraud

He wrote the last one, hon, but….. he plagiarized it from renfield’s theisis. hehehe – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – | It’s just another crack in the crumbling facade of the Moral Fascisti. | Instead of yelling about it, let it carry shrub’s little regime downhill | along with it and all the other corruption and hypocrisy miring them down. Do you actually *know* anything about politics? I have never heard a reasoned debate come out of your mouth — Talesin- The Bad Boy of Witchcraft ™ Somebody Else for President!  http://home.kc.rr.com/pendragonsloft

BEWARE OF SANDI DUNCAN OF IRVING, TX

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BEWARE of Sandi Duncan of Irving, TX who is selling databases that are incomplete and do not contain all birth/amended names.  Most of the very stuff she is selling can be found over on Vital Search.  The NY Birth Index she is offering is unreadable – a scratchy 5th generation copy.  It is NYC NOT NY State as she claims. Sandi, who claims to be a "professional searcher" only recently bought these birth indexes but is now claiming to be "going out of business" due to health issues. She is selling the following stuff, which is incomplete and can also be found free on the internet.  Do NOT buy! She has lied about its content and has already conned two unsuspecting parties into spending $300 on this worthless crap that most search angels already got free of charge. Sandi Duncan uses the following email addresses: This is the incomplete "crap" she is offering.  Again, most of this stuff can be found on Vital search.  It is NOT, repeat NOT complete even though she claims it is.  BUYER BEWARE! KENTUCKY BIRTH INDEX, ORIGINAL AND AMENDED NAMES, 1940-1990, PLUS MOST OF THE COUNTIES MARRIAGE AND DIVORCE RECORDS FOR 1955-1995. TEXAS BIRTH INDEXES, ORIGINAL AND AMENDED NAMES, PLUS MARRIAGE/DIVORCE/BANKRUPTCY RECORDS 1940-1995. (THE ORIGINAL NAMES WERE A REAL COUP AND COST PLENTY) CALIFORNIA BIRTH INDEXES, 1920-1985, ORIGINAL AND AMENDED NAMES, PLUS MARRIAGES AND DIVORCES INDEXES FOR 1950-1995. OHIO, ORIGINAL AND AMENDED NAMES, 1940-1990, PLUS ASSORTED COUNTIES MARRIAGES/DIVORCES FOR THE SAME YEARS. NEW YORK, MARRIAGES/DIVORCES/DEATHS, 1940-1990 ALL THE ABOVE IS ON CD’S, SEARCHABLE BY ANY GIVEN FIELD. THIS BELOW IS ON MICRO FICHE AND INCLUDES MICRO FICHE READER W/EXTRA NEW BULB. NEW YORK BIRTH INDEX, 1940-1985, ORIGINAL BIRTH NAMES, PLUS B/MOM’S NAME AND IF GIVEN AT TIME OF BIRTH B/DAD’S NAME. PRICES, CD’S- 300.00 PER STATE FICHE/PLUS READER, 800.00 I HAVE THREE COPIES OF THE NEW YORK FICHE, ONLY ONE FICHE READER HOWEVER.

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I just paid 175.00 to her in April & I have talked to her on the phone & sent her emails that she replied to, but now it is July & she has not replied to my e-mail or phone message that I sent to her a couple of days ago. I just wanted to find out who my bio-mom was. I told her that I didn’t want to have her contact my bio-mom about 2 weeks after I had paid her & also she had gone on vacation she said , but she said the money had already been spent to find my records from some lady that had been sick. That was about 2 weeks ago. So I agreed to get the info, but I felt nervous about actually contacting my bio-mom at the moment. Sandi is now not responding to me, now being the beginning of July. I am so afraid that she has stolen my money that I paid through PayPal. I will keep trying to get in touch with her, but if she doesn’t respond, what should I do? She sounded so nice & sincere, I can’t believe that she would be scamming me. I feel sick to my stomach about all this.

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no, anne!!  i hadn’t seen those picts before.  honest!!!  brooke looks just like you.  you all look like a very fun family.  and about that baby-brain remark……..i’m afraid it has become a permanent situation. aghhhh!!!!! we simply HAVE to get together. kitley Anne Robotti <robo…@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message

news:38435A1D.26B1E3EB@worldnet.att.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Besides the fact that you *have* seen my pictures, and posted to > tell me how pretty I was… you are so baby-brained! This is almost > making me feel better.  :) > It’s http://home.att.net/~robotti/index.html > Go take another look and refresh your memory. I hear that Monica thing > all the time. We looked more alike when she was fatter. Now she looks > thin, young and gorgeous, and I look like I had two babies in two years > and my breasts are hanging down to my knees. > Anne > Newsgroups wrote: > > i hear anne looks like monica, and damn it…….i thought that’s what you > > looked like and, uh, how come i haven’t seen any "anne pictures"? > > hope to meet all at some point.

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Sigh. Maybe it was April then. Can I still claim baby brain when the baby’s a year and a half old? Anne – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Newsgroups wrote: > no, anne!!  i hadn’t seen those picts before.  honest!!!  brooke looks just > like you.  you all look like a very fun family.  and about that baby-brain > remark……..i’m afraid it has become a permanent situation. aghhhh!!!!! > we simply HAVE to get together. > kitley > Anne Robotti <robo…@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message > news:38435A1D.26B1E3EB@worldnet.att.net… > > Besides the fact that you *have* seen my pictures, and posted to > > tell me how pretty I was… you are so baby-brained! This is almost > > making me feel better.  :) > > It’s http://home.att.net/~robotti/index.html > > Go take another look and refresh your memory. I hear that Monica thing > > all the time. We looked more alike when she was fatter. Now she looks > > thin, young and gorgeous, and I look like I had two babies in two years > > and my breasts are hanging down to my knees. > > Anne > > Newsgroups wrote: > > > i hear anne looks like monica, and damn it…….i thought that’s what > you > > > looked like and, uh, how come i haven’t seen any "anne pictures"? > > > hope to meet all at some point.

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In article <38435A1D.26B1E…@worldnet.att.net>,   Anne Robotti <robo…@worldnet.att.net> wrote: > snip > It’s http://home.att.net/~robotti/index.html > Go take another look and refresh your memory.

I looked, Anne!  What an adoreable family you have!!! ~gecko~ Who may someday get around to having a website for her family… — "Life.  Don’t talk to me about life." Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

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In a previous article, Anne Robotti <robo…@worldnet.att.net> said: :Sigh. Maybe it was April then. Can I still claim baby brain when the :baby’s a year and a half old? : Well, duh, YEAH!  You can claim it until they’re grown and out of the house. My baby’s 12 and I’m still mental mush. Vicki — Does it make any sense to say that I decompensate between paradigms?  Probably not.      -Jane Lawrence

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Anne your babies are absolutely beautiful!!  They look like two angel cherubs. heather – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Anne Robotti wrote in message <38435A1D.26B1E…@worldnet.att.net>… >Besides the fact that you *have* seen my pictures, and posted to >tell me how pretty I was… you are so baby-brained! This is almost >making me feel better.  :) >It’s http://home.att.net/~robotti/index.html >Go take another look and refresh your memory. I hear that Monica thing >all the time. We looked more alike when she was fatter. Now she looks >thin, young and gorgeous, and I look like I had two babies in two years >and my breasts are hanging down to my knees. >Anne >Newsgroups wrote: >> i hear anne looks like monica, and damn it…….i thought that’s what you >> looked like and, uh, how come i haven’t seen any "anne pictures"? >> hope to meet all at some point.

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Wait until you guys see the pictures that I got back today! The kids are incredible, they all look wonderful. Anne – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Sarai wrote: > Anne your babies are absolutely beautiful!!  They look like two angel > cherubs. > heather > Anne Robotti wrote in message <38435A1D.26B1E…@worldnet.att.net>… > >Besides the fact that you *have* seen my pictures, and posted to > >tell me how pretty I was… you are so baby-brained! This is almost > >making me feel better.  :) > >It’s http://home.att.net/~robotti/index.html > >Go take another look and refresh your memory. I hear that Monica thing > >all the time. We looked more alike when she was fatter. Now she looks > >thin, young and gorgeous, and I look like I had two babies in two years > >and my breasts are hanging down to my knees. > >Anne > >Newsgroups wrote: > >> i hear anne looks like monica, and damn it…….i thought that’s what > you > >> looked like and, uh, how come i haven’t seen any "anne pictures"? > >> hope to meet all at some point.

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Kitley has the cutest baby in the world. Her husband is very nice, too. jane

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Besides the fact that you *have* seen my pictures, and posted to tell me how pretty I was… you are so baby-brained! This is almost making me feel better.  :) It’s http://home.att.net/~robotti/index.html Go take another look and refresh your memory. I hear that Monica thing all the time. We looked more alike when she was fatter. Now she looks thin, young and gorgeous, and I look like I had two babies in two years and my breasts are hanging down to my knees. Anne – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Newsgroups wrote: > i hear anne looks like monica, and damn it…….i thought that’s what you > looked like and, uh, how come i haven’t seen any "anne pictures"? > hope to meet all at some point.

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Anne Robotti wrote in message <38435A1D.26B1E…@worldnet.att.net>… >I look like I had two babies in two years >and my breasts are hanging down to my knees.

<sigh> At least you have an excuse! lil  (who still has flash backs of her elementary school friends who *told* her this would happen if she didn’t wear a bra!) — "Who is at fault when a monster is a monster?  Is it the monster’s?  Or the person who created it to be a monster?"

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I’ve only seen pictures, but she is BEAUTIFUL! What does Kitley look like? I’ve always been curious. Anne – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -jane lawrence wrote: > Kitley has the cutest baby in the world. > Her husband is very nice, too. > jane

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i wanted to say that i had a super time meeting jane on saturday. we had a really lovely visit.  i sure wish i could meet everyone else face to face. when i get the picture developed, i will scan it to someone (okay, that’s a hint) who would know how to post it.  jane looks all together californian….blonde, tan, relaxed, while i on the other hand look like i have been drug 1500 miles with a baby. if anyone ever heads into the south texas area, let me know, and i will do my damndest to get together with ya. thank you!  julia is the cutest baby and was so good on our whirlwind trip. not a peep out of her coming or going.  robert, on the other hand, was nice (and quiet, too).  the whole way back to the hotel  he kept saying " i can’t believe  you just met someone off of the internet."  come on honey, this is almost the 00’s.  he is usually a bit chattier.    i too am usually more open to gripe about the whole sk thing.  i just felt kind of weird doing it right out in front of him. i hear anne looks like monica, and damn it…….i thought that’s what you looked like and, uh, how come i haven’t seen any "anne pictures"? hope to meet all at some point. kitley jane lawrence <jane…@excite.com> wrote in message

news:384456D8.4B81983@excite.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Kitley has the cutest baby in the world. > Her husband is very nice, too. > jane

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"Wendy" <we…@hundredakerwood.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message

news:c6jd2h$d98$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk… > The youngest is about 19 I think, the oldest late 20s.

gee, my age? Jess

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<ni…@impactwp.com> wrote in message

news:1082998295.600887@news01.eclipse.net.uk… > I think he needs to leave weeks between the first letter and next contact. > And I know that’s the last thing he wants to hear. But I think two weeks > wouldn’t be long and six weeks too long. As much time as he can bear to let > them assimilate the news and respond appropriately.

my hunch is that there will be a series of reactions ranging from total silence at first to a "stop mailing me", and he needs to be gently persistent, and watch for some indication that they’re not averse to contact with him….will they be willing? likely not, because they’ve formed their own lives without him, and here he is, intruding into the nice little life they’ve created without his presence…they will most likely view him as intruding and resent that, and he’s going to get to overcome that resentment too.. Jess

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>my hunch is that there will be a series of reactions ranging from total >silence at first to a "stop mailing me", and he needs to be gently >persistent,

Hmm, if I told someone to stop mailing me and that person continued to do so, I would consider that harassment. ~~Geri~~ Throw Big Red!

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"Geri and sometimes Brian" <gplen…@aol.comGOBIGRED> wrote in message news:20040426181628.08524.00000376@mb-m02.aol.com… > >my hunch is that there will be a series of reactions ranging from total > >silence at first to a "stop mailing me", and he needs to be gently > >persistent, > Hmm, if I told someone to stop mailing me and that person continued to do so, I > would consider that harassment.

it’s different when it’s a parent, tho’…it’s much harder to do that…and he can stop mailing them in a way that leaves the next move up to them… Jess

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"The Watsons" <warpedsyst…@earthlink.net> wrote in message

news:D6fjc.53$k24.48@fed1read01… > "Wendy" <we…@hundredakerwood.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message > news:c6jdv4$dts$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk… > > What about writing and hand delivering it, saying he’s in town and will be > > at the local pub every evening at a particular time? > at best, if my father had shown up on my doorstep unexpectedly, the best > response he could’ve expected from me would’ve been a slammed door…he > needs to stick with a removed form of contact-letters or emails or maybe a > phone call, something where he’s not right there in their faces, demanding > an instaneous response… > Jess

<delurk> Would it help to offer something that they might want?  In addition to initiating communication, perhaps offering details about his side of the family they might be interested in?  If your father had shown up with useful information on the family medical history, for example, or stories about your grandparents, or photos, would you have slammed the door quite as easily? Joy <relurk>

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"Joy" <joydoesntlikes…@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:zvgjc.9114$7a5.8880@bignews6.bellsouth.net… > <delurk> > Would it help to offer something that they might want?  In addition to > initiating communication, perhaps offering details about his side of the > family they might be interested in?  If your father had shown up with useful > information on the family medical history, for example, or stories about > your grandparents, or photos, would you have slammed the door quite as > easily?

you betcha…"you think that you can treat me the way you’ve treated me, and expect to show up on my doorstep with some bullshit about a family that’s obviously not important enough to you for you to treat your kids as human beings, and you expect what again? get out of my face"…. offering something his kids might want can very easily be perceived as a bribe…my father called me once a few years ago, offering to get together for ice cream-i flat out told him that whatever he hoped to get, he could shove it up his, ‘cuz it wasn’t happening-and i hung up on him… he called me again, offering help when my husband was fighting cancer, and the response was pretty much the same…:) Jess

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"Joy" <joydoesntlikes…@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:zvgjc.9114$7a5.8880@bignews6.bellsouth.net… > <delurk> > Would it help to offer something that they might want?  In addition to > initiating communication, perhaps offering details about his side of the > family they might be interested in?  If your father had shown up with useful > information on the family medical history, for example, or stories about > your grandparents, or photos, would you have slammed the door quite as > easily?

They may not have considered whether they want or need such information yet. But your post, Nikki’s and others have got me thinking that maybe instead of asking for contact, it would be better to write regularly letting them get to know you through letters, telling them your thoughts, feelings, some history which doesn’t involve their mother, even though you get no response back. Maybe it would be a good thing to do whether there is a response ever or not? Wendy

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"Wendy" <we…@hundredakerwood.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message

news:c6krpn$c3c$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Joy" <joydoesntlikes…@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:zvgjc.9114$7a5.8880@bignews6.bellsouth.net… > > <delurk> > > Would it help to offer something that they might want?  In addition to > > initiating communication, perhaps offering details about his side of the > > family they might be interested in?  If your father had shown up with > useful > > information on the family medical history, for example, or stories about > > your grandparents, or photos, would you have slammed the door quite as > > easily? > They may not have considered whether they want or need such information yet. > But your post, Nikki’s and others have got me thinking that maybe instead of > asking for contact, it would be better to write regularly letting them get > to know you through letters, telling them your thoughts, feelings, some > history which doesn’t involve their mother, even though you get no response > back. Maybe it would be a good thing to do whether there is a response ever > or not? > Wendy

I think that would be nice, as part of it. But I think he’s got to be clear about what he’s asking for, or they’re all going to be scratching their heads wondering what he wants. Something like ‘I’m writing because I want the chance to develop a relationship with you. But I understand that this might be difficult for you and I don’t want to pressurise you in any way. So here’s my details : and if you want to get in touch with me, please do so anytime. In the meantime I’ll write to you again in a couple of weeks.’ If he’s not clear about his goals, not only am I seeing anger and upset on behalf of the children, but also confusion and lots of ‘what does he want?’ and ‘why is he getting in touch after all of this time’? My only direct experience of this is with SS. His mother hadn’t had any contact with him for 2 years and he was 10 going on 11 when she reappeared and *demanded* to see him right away. He was very upset by this. We suggested six months of letters and phone calls before reintroducing visits, BM said No way, wants to see him now. So we went to court and BM backed down and agreed to the arrangement. I’m sure she was mad. But *it worked*. The letters came and SS ignored them. Why wouldn’t he? It was the first time he had any ‘power’ with BM. We encouraged him to write back once or twice, but other than that, he was sitting back and letting her display some maternal affection. The letters never did work very well, mainly because she just wouldn’t stick to the f**king arrangment and send them regularly, so SS was up in the air about ‘would one arrive/when would it arrive/has she changed her mind’. Then we moved to phone calls, once a week at a fixed time and they worked great. At first SS would say ‘is she going to phone’ over and over. After a few weeks he’d say ‘oh my Mom is phoning tomorrow, right?’ then it became sitting on the sofa, Tuesdays at 6.55pm waiting for the phone to ring. It was a slow build up of trust. It allowed him to ‘punish’ her some by not writing back, it made her make all of the effort, which he needed to see – that she was prepared to work hard for him. It gave her chance to show him she could stick to an arrangement, she could give her word and mean it. By the time the direct visits came around SS was really relaxed about seeing her again. I know Barclays’ kids aren’t kids anymore. But they are his kids, and I think the dynamic between him and them as parent and child will still be the same. The children will pout, he will be expected to do ALL of the work and take any and all punishments they want to dish out on the nose. He’s going to have to give, give, give, for a long time before he gets anything back. I’m sure BM used to think it wasn’t worth it writing letters to SS. I know she found it hard and she didn’t know what to say. She sent postcards mainly, it used to irritate the piss out of me that she didn’t know what to write, but I guess I can’t blame her. I think Barclay needs to avoid ‘and this is ALL the fun I’ve been having while I’ve not been in your life’. I also think he might expect each of the children to respond differently to him. I know this is crass, but did you see Eastenders where Derek re-established contact with his children? I found out last year my Dad has a half sister we didn’t know about. He’s 56 and she’s 66 – my grandmother abandoned her to move away and marry my grandfather when she was pregnant, out of wedlock, with my Dad (in 1947). I’ve tried to get in touch, via another family member, but she doesn’t want to meet us. She’s always known about us, well, my Dad. She’s apparently said that if her mother had got in touch after all these years, she’d be interested, but she’s not interested in meeting us, she wants to leave well alone. I don’t get that at all. I’m pretty mad with her because it means my Dad can’t be in touch (it seems) with his 8 cousins and their countless children and grandchildren. Right now my sister and I and Kiera are the only family he has. He may have had his mother, but she’s had the whole extended family  my Dad’s always been denied. His parents have been dead for 20 years. Nikki

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>I wondered if he sent him some of his cds whether that might be something >which prompted them to be intrigued.

Nooooooooooooooooooooo! So far I like the idea of writing occasional letters about what is going on best.  That works for me because it leaves the option of response open but does not demand one.  Also, if I were Barclay, I’d make sure they could find me. Does he have a listed phone number?  If he googles himself, does it lead to current contact information?   Here divorce records are public.  The kids can look them up if that’s what they’re interested in. The oldest one, the one he’s contacting, no doubt remembers quite a bit anyway.   If I were the kid, I think I’d be wondering why now, after all these years.   I don’t know what the answer is, but if I were Barclay, I’d want to be clear on that.  BS on that would make me cut him off at the knees.   jane    Incidentally, is he prepared to be a grandfather? jane – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Wendy

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"Wendy" <we…@hundredakerwood.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message

news:c6krpn$c3c$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk… > They may not have considered whether they want or need such information yet. > But your post, Nikki’s and others have got me thinking that maybe instead of > asking for contact, it would be better to write regularly letting them get > to know you through letters, telling them your thoughts, feelings, some > history which doesn’t involve their mother, even though you get no response > back. Maybe it would be a good thing to do whether there is a response ever > or not?

that would be a good start…:) that way, he could show them that he’s not interested in bashing their mother, reliving old history, or whatever, he just wants them to know him….maybe a few of those kinds of letters, he can either toss out the option of contact or let them work up to contact…:) Jess

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Wendy wrote: > Some of you may know that my partner hasn’t seen his children for > fourteen years – a long story about parental alienation.   He turns > 50 this year and has been reviewing things.  He’s found a PI and the > PI has found an address for one of them.  He’s excited to try and > afraid to be rejected all over again. > It’s so difficult to know how to do this. > Wendy

Wendy, I wish I had some advice to offer.  I don’t know *how* I would have reacted if my bioF tried to contact me after all the time that passed.  Our situation was different in that he was abusive to my mother (chair over head was the last straw for her). But he made a new life for himself and I’d always wondered if he’d changed, what he was like and why did he find it so easy (at least it seemed in my child’s mind) to walk away from three children? When he passed away 8 years ago, I cried for three days solid.  It made NO sense.  I didn’t know him at all.  He’d left before I was one y/o.  He never tried to contact me, and in his obit, it said Mr. XX died leaving two sons Kxxx and Mxxx and two daughters.  No one in his new family even knew my or my sister’s name. I don’t know how I would have reacted had he contacted me.  I had finally got the nerve up to ask my mom for his address and she gave it to me the Christmas before he passed away.  I never got the gumption up to contact him. I’ve spent a lot of tears wondering what was wrong with me, that he could walk away and not look back.  I would have liked to know why he did what he did and his feelings over the years. Contacting them could answer some questions they might have, though I imagine it will be difficult. Good luck to him Cal~

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"_calinda_" <calindasincl…@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:c6h0r6$b8to8$1@ID-178943.news.uni-berlin.de… Cal, this may still be a sensitive topic and I don’t want to upset you or provoke any thinking about things which will upset you, but it might and if it does I’m going to say sorry now before you’ve even read it.  Okay. > Wendy, I wish I had some advice to offer.  I don’t know *how* I > would have reacted if my bioF tried to contact me after all the time > that passed.  Our situation was different in that he was abusive to > my mother (chair over head was the last straw for her).

Maybe he was.  Maybe he did.  How do you really know, apart from what your mother told you? This case may not be so different, who knows what his ex has told his children.  We know that she accused him of lots of untrue things which were disproved in court. She may well have told them things which she believes to be true, but which are inventions.  People invent things all the time and remember things in very different ways from each other. > But he made a new life for himself and I’d always wondered if he’d > changed, what he was like and why did he find it so easy (at least > it seemed in my child’s mind) to walk away from three children?

Barclay virtually bankrupted himself in the process of defending himself and trying to get access to his children.  He walked away only when he felt that carrying on was going to make things harder for them, like having their mother put in jail for not giving access to the children repeatedly.  Not a day goes by that he doesn’t grieve, sometime more visibly than at others, but it’s like a life sentence. I wouldn’t assume that your Dad never thought about you. > When he passed away 8 years ago, I cried for three days solid.  It > made NO sense.  I didn’t know him at all.  He’d left before I was > one y/o.  He never tried to contact me, and in his obit, it said Mr. > XX died leaving two sons Kxxx and Mxxx and two daughters.  No one in > his new family even knew my or my sister’s name.

Barclay has tried repeatedly over the years to send them letters on birthdays and at Christmas, without any response. This is the first time he’s tried to contact at an address other than his ex’s though. > I don’t know how I would have reacted had he contacted me.  I had > finally got the nerve up to ask my mom for his address and she gave > it to me the Christmas before he passed away.  I never got the > gumption up to contact him.

With something so difficult, it’s not surprising that you put it off waiting for the right time. > I’ve spent a lot of tears wondering what was wrong with me, that he > could walk away and not look back.  I would have liked to know why > he did what he did and his feelings over the years. > Contacting them could answer some questions they might have, though > I imagine it will be difficult.

It might raise a whole lot more. > Good luck to him

Thanks Wendy

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<ni…@impactwp.com> wrote in message

news:1082915904.47145@news01.eclipse.net.uk… > I would imagine that expecting rejection and being ok with it would be a > good plan.

More easily said than done. > Perhaps he could say ‘ok when I’ve heard f**k off ten times I’ll leave them > alone’ but combine that with the softly, softly approach, by letter, etc.

Maybe when and if they have children of their own they’ll understand why he keeps trying. Letters can just be ignored though.  Phone calls or visiting is harder to ignore, it requires a reaction of some sort, but more likely to be an angry one perhaps? Wendy

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"Wendy" <we…@hundredakerwood.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message

news:c6i9qh$nvq$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk… > <ni…@impactwp.com> wrote in message > news:1082915904.47145@news01.eclipse.net.uk… > > I would imagine that expecting rejection and being ok with it would be a > > good plan. > More easily said than done.

Sure. But you know what I mean, right? I mean that the chances of getting the reception that Barclay wants at the first contact is extremely unlikely. Perhaps he’ll never get the reception that he wants – and he needs to work out a timeframe in which he can decide if it is a: that they truly don’t want to see him or b: that they’re still busy reacting to the shock that he’s in touch. > > Perhaps he could say ‘ok when I’ve heard f**k off ten times I’ll leave > them > > alone’ but combine that with the softly, softly approach, by letter, etc. > Maybe when and if they have children of their own they’ll understand why he > keeps trying.

I’m sure that’s true. How old are they? Problem is, the very thing Barclay needs to say most is the thing the kids will want to hear least. Namely ‘your mother is a lying ….’. So I’d say stay away from that totally, at least at first. > Letters can just be ignored though.  Phone calls or visiting is harder to > ignore, it requires a reaction of some sort, but more likely to be an angry > one perhaps?

He’s got to allow for shock value. This is a shocking thing. The kids may believe all sorts of things about him that are not true and it’s going to be a huge emotional reaction from them when he reappears. I think doing it any other way than letter is likely of more failure. At the very least he needs to ‘warn’ them that he is beginning to try and get in touch again. I’d say a letter is the best way. Barclay can think carefully of what he wants to say and say it. He can also say what he plans to do next, ie, ‘I’d like us to talk by phone with a view to seeing you again’. And he needs to let the news sink in for a period too. I think any form of rush or ‘all guns blazing’ would be a bad idea. I think if he’s written first and then he calls or turns up in the flesh, he has at least removed the ’shock’ value, so any reaction from them would be more likely a true reaction, rather than being all caught up in the shock. I still think the biggest thing is that they’re going to be spitting mad and Barclay has to accept that. If he knows he’s going to be repudiated over and over before them hopefully relaxing into some form of contact it might not be so hard. You know when kids are toddlers how they ‘make you pay’ if you leave them for a while by being a total nightmare when you pick them up? That’s how I think Barclays’ kids are going to be. Give him my very best luck and wishes with this. Where are the children? Nikki – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Wendy

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On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 07:29:27 +0100, "Wendy" <we…@hundredakerwood.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: > Letters can just be ignored though.  Phone calls or visiting is harder to > ignore, it requires a reaction of some sort, but more likely to be an angry > one perhaps?

I would recommend starting with letters, rather than being as confrontational to phone call or stop by without first warning them.

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<ni…@impactwp.com> wrote in message

news:1082964431.988897@news01.eclipse.net.uk… > I’m sure that’s true. How old are they?

The youngest is about 19 I think, the oldest late 20s. Problem is, the very thing Barclay > needs to say most is the thing the kids will want to hear least. Namely > ‘your mother is a lying ….’. So I’d say stay away from that totally, at > least at first.

I wondered if he sent him some of his cds whether that might be something which prompted them to be intrigued. > I still think the biggest thing is that they’re going to be spitting mad and > Barclay has to accept that.

I think he knows that there will be anger. > Give him my very best luck and wishes with this. Where are the children?

The only one whose whereabouts we know of is in Cornwall. Wendy

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"Kathy Cole" <ka…@scconsult.com> wrote in message

news:tlup80pods8i46n3g99dps3ssoqilio781@4ax.com… > I would recommend starting with letters, rather than being as > confrontational to phone call or stop by without first warning them.

What about writing and hand delivering it, saying he’s in town and will be at the local pub every evening at a particular time? Wendy

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"Wendy" <we…@hundredakerwood.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message

news:c6jdv4$dts$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk… > "Kathy Cole" <ka…@scconsult.com> wrote in message > news:tlup80pods8i46n3g99dps3ssoqilio781@4ax.com… > > I would recommend starting with letters, rather than being as > > confrontational to phone call or stop by without first warning them. > What about writing and hand delivering it, saying he’s in town and will be > at the local pub every evening at a particular time? > Wendy

My initial reaction is ‘too soon’. I think he needs to leave weeks between the first letter and next contact. And I know that’s the last thing he wants to hear. But I think two weeks wouldn’t be long and six weeks too long. As much time as he can bear to let them assimilate the news and respond appropriately. Nikki

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On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 17:46:19 +0100, "Wendy" <we…@hundredakerwood.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: > What about writing and hand delivering it, saying he’s in town and will be > at the local pub every evening at a particular time?

I would resent that degree of pressure.  Mailing a letter and indicating I’d be in town at a pub at least a month into the future would be better.

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"Wendy" <we…@hundredakerwood.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message

news:c6jdv4$dts$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk… > What about writing and hand delivering it, saying he’s in town and will be > at the local pub every evening at a particular time?

at best, if my father had shown up on my doorstep unexpectedly, the best response he could’ve expected from me would’ve been a slammed door…he needs to stick with a removed form of contact-letters or emails or maybe a phone call, something where he’s not right there in their faces, demanding an instaneous response… Jess

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"Wendy" <we…@hundredakerwood.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message

news:c6i9qh$nvq$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk… > > I would imagine that expecting rejection and being ok with it would be a > > good plan. > More easily said than done.

and honestly, doesn’t he deal with the rejection every single day? as it stands now, at least it’s kind of simmering in the background instead of being right there exploding in his face….the second type of rejection is much harder to handle, much less between a parent/child… > Maybe when and if they have children of their own they’ll understand why he > keeps trying.

*shakes head* doubtful…they’ll understand when they can… > Letters can just be ignored though.  Phone calls or visiting is harder to > ignore, it requires a reaction of some sort, but more likely to be an angry > one perhaps?

yes, letters can be ignored…but if he shows up in person, the door can be slammed…and he has to start somewhere… Jess

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<ni…@impactwp.com> wrote in message

news:1082964431.988897@news01.eclipse.net.uk… >Sure. But you know what I mean, right? I mean that the chances of getting > the reception that Barclay wants at the first contact is extremely unlikely. > Perhaps he’ll never get the reception that he wants – and he needs to work > out a timeframe in which he can decide if it is a: that they truly don’t > want to see him or b: that they’re still busy reacting to the shock that > he’s in touch.

the major problem i see with that is that a timeframe can’t be identified-his children are going to be hurting and angry and dealing with a whole bunch of other things all at once, and that doesn’t resolve on a set timeframe…it resolves itself as it resolves itself, and it’ll most likely take a few times to do it… > I’m sure that’s true. How old are they? Problem is, the very thing Barclay > needs to say most is the thing the kids will want to hear least. Namely > ‘your mother is a lying ….’. So I’d say stay away from that totally, at > least at first.

he needs to stay completely away from there, from here until hell freezes over….that’s part of what cost me the relationship with both of my parents….i got tired of hearing "your bitch mother" and "my scumbag ex husband"…look, ya’ll, i don’t frigging CARE what ya’ll think of each other because i already Know….it’s Not My Issue… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> He’s got to allow for shock value. This is a shocking thing. The kids may > believe all sorts of things about him that are not true and it’s going to be > a huge emotional reaction from them when he reappears. I think doing it any > other way than letter is likely of more failure. At the very least he needs > to ‘warn’ them that he is beginning to try and get in touch again. I’d say a > letter is the best way. Barclay can think carefully of what he wants to say > and say it. He can also say what he plans to do next, ie, ‘I’d like us to > talk by phone with a view to seeing you again’. And he needs to let the news > sink in for a period too.

*nods* > I think any form of rush or ‘all guns blazing’ would be a bad idea. I think > if he’s written first and then he calls or turns up in the flesh, he has at > least removed the ’shock’ value, so any reaction from them would be more > likely a true reaction, rather than being all caught up in the shock.

*nods again* "softly, softly"… > I still think the biggest thing is that they’re going to be spitting mad and > Barclay has to accept that. If he knows he’s going to be repudiated over and > over before them hopefully relaxing into some form of contact it might not > be so hard. You know when kids are toddlers how they ‘make you pay’ if you > leave them for a while by being a total nightmare when you pick them up? > That’s how I think Barclays’ kids are going to be.

don’t let them hear that comparison, tho’…;) Jess

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"Wendy" <we…@hundredakerwood.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message

news:c6gohl$1ej$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk… > Some of you may know that my partner hasn’t seen his children for fourteen > years – a long story about parental alienation.   He turns 50 this year and > has been reviewing things.  He’s found a PI and the PI has found an address > for one of them.  He’s excited to try and afraid to be rejected all over > again. > It’s so difficult to know how to do this.

my father and i haven’t had a decent relationship for six or seven years, at least…he picked up the phone a few months ago and made that first step, and so far, we’ve met for dinner and we’re meeting for ice cream again this afternoon…not saying it’s been peachy-keen since that first step-it is a slow, agonizing process and we’ve both had some sleepless nights over it…but at least this time, it seems to be working… all he can do is try; if he doesn’t, he’ll eat himself up with the what-ifs….if he does try, yes, he runs the risk of rejection-but he’s dealt with the rejection for fourteen years…or he runs the risk of being able to reform a relationship with them…it won’t be the same relationship because everyone is an adult now and he’ll most likely have to relate to them as adults instead of his children, but….well, what’s he got to lose now, and what does he stand to gain if he does try? Jess

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"Wendy" <we…@hundredakerwood.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message

news:c6gohl$1ej$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk… > Some of you may know that my partner hasn’t seen his children for fourteen > years – a long story about parental alienation.   He turns 50 this year and > has been reviewing things.  He’s found a PI and the PI has found an address > for one of them.  He’s excited to try and afraid to be rejected all over > again. > It’s so difficult to know how to do this. > Wendy

I would imagine that expecting rejection and being ok with it would be a good plan. I think a lot of Dads in this scenario expect the ‘welcome with open arms’ OR the ‘piss off and never come back’ and don’t see that there is middle ground. The kids HAVE to make him pay. It doesn’t matter why or when or how long he was away. He Was Away. They’ll knock him back until they feel they’ve got their ‘own back’ some, then they’ll start to soften. Probably. Perhaps he could say ‘ok when I’ve heard f**k off ten times I’ll leave them alone’ but combine that with the softly, softly approach, by letter, etc. Nikki

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Some of you may know that my partner hasn’t seen his children for fourteen years – a long story about parental alienation.   He turns 50 this year and has been reviewing things.  He’s found a PI and the PI has found an address for one of them.  He’s excited to try and afraid to be rejected all over again. It’s so difficult to know how to do this. Wendy

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You Are a Suspect

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"Steelhorn" <steelh…@attbye.com> wrote in message

news:m2j8tukon3cl4q5iqbb92motfsrf29qqf6@4ax.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> You Are a Suspect > By WILLIAM SAFIRE > WASHINGTON – If the Homeland Security Act is not amended before passage, > here is what will happen to you: > Every purchase you make with a credit card, every magazine subscription you > buy and medical prescription you fill, every Web site you visit and e-mail > you send or receive, every academic grade you receive, every bank deposit > you make, every trip you book and every event you attend – all these > transactions and communications will go into what the Defense Department > describes as "a virtual, centralized grand database." > To this computerized dossier on your private life from commercial sources, > add every piece of information that government has about you – passport > application, driver’s license and bridge toll records, judicial and divorce > records, complaints from nosy neighbors to the F.B.I., your lifetime paper > trail plus the latest hidden camera surveillance – and you have the > supersnoop’s dream: a "Total Information Awareness" about every U.S. > citizen. > This is not some far-out Orwellian scenario. It is what will happen to your > personal freedom in the next few weeks if John Poindexter gets the > unprecedented power he seeks. > Remember Poindexter? Brilliant man, first in his class at the Naval Academy, > later earned a doctorate in physics, rose to national security adviser under > President Ronald Reagan. He had this brilliant idea of secretly selling > missiles to Iran to pay ransom for hostages, and with the illicit proceeds > to illegally support contras in Nicaragua. > A jury convicted Poindexter in 1990 on five felony counts of misleading > Congress and making false statements, but an appeals court overturned the > verdict because Congress had given him immunity for his testimony. He > famously asserted, "The buck stops here," arguing that the White House > staff, and not the president, was responsible for fateful decisions that > might prove embarrassing. > This ring-knocking master of deceit is back again with a plan even more > scandalous than Iran-contra. He heads the "Information Awareness Office" in > the otherwise excellent Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, which > spawned the Internet and stealth aircraft technology. Poindexter is now > realizing his 20-year dream: getting the "data-mining" power to snoop on > every public and private act of every American. > Even the hastily passed U.S.A. Patriot Act, which widened the scope of the > Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act and weakened 15 privacy laws, raised > requirements for the government to report secret eavesdropping to Congress > and the courts. But Poindexter’s assault on individual privacy rides > roughshod over such oversight. > He is determined to break down the wall between commercial snooping and > secret government intrusion. The disgraced admiral dismisses such necessary > differentiation as bureaucratic "stovepiping." And he has been given a $200 > million budget to create computer dossiers on 300 million Americans. > When George W. Bush was running for president, he stood foursquare in > defense of each person’s medical, financial and communications privacy. But > Poindexter, whose contempt for the restraints of oversight drew the Reagan > administration into its most serious blunder, is still operating on the > presumption that on such a sweeping theft of privacy rights, the buck ends > with him and not with the president. > This time, however, he has been seizing power in the open. In the past week > John Markoff of The Times, followed by Robert O’Harrow of The Washington > Post, have revealed the extent of Poindexter’s operation, but editorialists > have not grasped its undermining of the Freedom of Information Act.

No. This does *not* go. Period. *Nothing that interferes with the FOIA in any way, shape, or form should be passed now* or *ever*. Period. This is way to important. There are *many* things which need to come out about government sponsored maiming of the soul to make ‘psychic slaves’ via ‘psychosexual implant surgery’ in which a person’s mars and venus are retrograded in order to make their deep mind inaccesible to them and to make it impossible for them to have any energy whatsoever. This effectively *hobbles* the person spiritually, mentally, soulwise, and otherwise and has the effect of making their deep mindspaces into something that the government can easily ‘use’ in manipulating the deep wider mindspace in order to achieving their own aims. It seems to be the case that slavery has never left the USA, in fact it has been going on here since 1760 or so through these ‘purchased souls’ that the government uses. Apparently this was done to me myself, although I am not sure why. I remember that things seemed to change for me around 7 years of age – this would have been about 1969 or so – was this when it was done? I think the government does *not* want to have to be honest about these *crimes against humanity* it has committed. That frightens me. It makes me *very*, very nervous. As I write this I hear a ‘voice’ saying: ‘now you see why they did it to her in the first place’. *We need to have disclosure on these things*, and disclosure is what *I* want on them. > Political awareness can overcome "Total Information Awareness," the combined > force of commercial and government snooping.

This snooping needs to stop. We as americans need to clean out our own house immediately and come clean with the public about all of the shit that is being committed here in america so that *people have enough time to get the fuck out of america* before the *real shit comes down*, if it is going to come down. Lisa Agnes Gardner – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->n a similar overreach, > Attorney General Ashcroft tried his Terrorism Information and Prevention > System (TIPS), but public outrage at the use of gossips and postal workers > as snoops caused the House to shoot it down. The Senate should now do the > same to this other exploitation of fear. > The Latin motto over Poindexter"s new Pentagon office reads "Scientia Est > Potentia" – "knowledge is power." Exactly: the government’s infinite > knowledge about you is its power over you. "We’re just as concerned as the > next person with protecting privacy," this brilliant mind blandly assured > The Post. A jury found he spoke falsely before. > — > Please sign my guest book > http://www.virginiacaves.org/feedback.html

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You Are a Suspect By WILLIAM SAFIRE WASHINGTON – If the Homeland Security Act is not amended before passage, here is what will happen to you: Every purchase you make with a credit card, every magazine subscription you buy and medical prescription you fill, every Web site you visit and e-mail you send or receive, every academic grade you receive, every bank deposit you make, every trip you book and every event you attend – all these transactions and communications will go into what the Defense Department describes as "a virtual, centralized grand database." To this computerized dossier on your private life from commercial sources, add every piece of information that government has about you – passport application, driver’s license and bridge toll records, judicial and divorce records, complaints from nosy neighbors to the F.B.I., your lifetime paper trail plus the latest hidden camera surveillance – and you have the supersnoop’s dream: a "Total Information Awareness" about every U.S. citizen. This is not some far-out Orwellian scenario. It is what will happen to your personal freedom in the next few weeks if John Poindexter gets the unprecedented power he seeks. Remember Poindexter? Brilliant man, first in his class at the Naval Academy, later earned a doctorate in physics, rose to national security adviser under President Ronald Reagan. He had this brilliant idea of secretly selling missiles to Iran to pay ransom for hostages, and with the illicit proceeds to illegally support contras in Nicaragua. A jury convicted Poindexter in 1990 on five felony counts of misleading Congress and making false statements, but an appeals court overturned the verdict because Congress had given him immunity for his testimony. He famously asserted, "The buck stops here," arguing that the White House staff, and not the president, was responsible for fateful decisions that might prove embarrassing. This ring-knocking master of deceit is back again with a plan even more scandalous than Iran-contra. He heads the "Information Awareness Office" in the otherwise excellent Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, which spawned the Internet and stealth aircraft technology. Poindexter is now realizing his 20-year dream: getting the "data-mining" power to snoop on every public and private act of every American. Even the hastily passed U.S.A. Patriot Act, which widened the scope of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act and weakened 15 privacy laws, raised requirements for the government to report secret eavesdropping to Congress and the courts. But Poindexter’s assault on individual privacy rides roughshod over such oversight. He is determined to break down the wall between commercial snooping and secret government intrusion. The disgraced admiral dismisses such necessary differentiation as bureaucratic "stovepiping." And he has been given a $200 million budget to create computer dossiers on 300 million Americans. When George W. Bush was running for president, he stood foursquare in defense of each person’s medical, financial and communications privacy. But Poindexter, whose contempt for the restraints of oversight drew the Reagan administration into its most serious blunder, is still operating on the presumption that on such a sweeping theft of privacy rights, the buck ends with him and not with the president. This time, however, he has been seizing power in the open. In the past week John Markoff of The Times, followed by Robert O’Harrow of The Washington Post, have revealed the extent of Poindexter’s operation, but editorialists have not grasped its undermining of the Freedom of Information Act. Political awareness can overcome "Total Information Awareness," the combined force of commercial and government snooping. In a similar overreach, Attorney General Ashcroft tried his Terrorism Information and Prevention System (TIPS), but public outrage at the use of gossips and postal workers as snoops caused the House to shoot it down. The Senate should now do the same to this other exploitation of fear. The Latin motto over Poindexter"s new Pentagon office reads "Scientia Est Potentia" – "knowledge is power." Exactly: the government’s infinite knowledge about you is its power over you. "We’re just as concerned as the next person with protecting privacy," this brilliant mind blandly assured The Post. A jury found he spoke falsely before. — Please sign my guest book http://www.virginiacaves.org/feedback.html

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"what's your reserve?"

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If you do not like my reserves, do not bid on my auctions. I believe you will find that many do not.

I would just as soon get rid of nonserious bidders as early in the game as possible. — Many thanks, Don Lancaster Synergetics   3860 West First Street  Box 809  Thatcher, AZ 85552 Please visit my GURU’s LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com

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I’ll tell you what grinds me more – NO RESERVE (in item description) and yet the item starts bidding at $19,500.00 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1396632825

No, what gets me is the "No Reserve!" auctions that start at 1.00 or 1 penny, and then the seller pulls the auction an hour before it closes because it hasnt met what he wants. That is STILL a reserve auction in my eyes.

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Ask ‘em to keep bidding in dollar increments until they find out. Asking them to keep bidding in penny increments would have exactly the same result.

But it’d take longer. I like.

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If you do not like my reserves, do not bid on my auctions.

I believe you will find that many do not.

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says… Newbie question here. I setup an auction for which I placed a reserve price.  I’m 5+ emails a day of people asking "what’s you reserve price?".  Obviously there are reasons a reserve price is not made known by ebay to potential buyers.  I’m sure most of you people receive similar emails, and I’m curious as to how you typically handle these.  Also, if my reserve is set for let’s just say $80, and the highest bid at the close of the auction is $75, do I have an option to still sell the item through ebay?  Thanks for your help.

First, I’d answer their question. Second, if the auction doesn’t hit the reserve price, it is not a completed auction.  However, you can make a deal with the highest bidder if he or she is open to that.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Please, please refrain from reserve auctions. The only thing eBay bidders hate worse than reserves are high opening prices. Sorry, Don, only true in some categories.  In other categories, the only thing eBay bidders hate worse than high opening prices are reserves. Deborah Stevenson

The point remains that bidders seem to think they are somehow entitled to steal from sellers. Some means of providing a minimum selling floor is essential in most transactions. Unless you have so many in stock of such an obviously desirable item not available elsewhere that you can gamble both on popularity and no eBay downtime. — Many thanks, Don Lancaster Synergetics   3860 West First Street  Box 809  Thatcher, AZ 85552 Please visit my GURU’s LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com

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so what? 2780 N 4th St, Wytheville, VA (276) 228-4837 http://www.virginiacaves.org/feedback.html – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Another fine hate monger member of the Virginia Speleological Survey.  A credit to your organization. Montgomery  2780 N 4th St, Wytheville, VA (276) 228-4837 http://www.virginiacaves.org/feedback.html Newbie question here. I setup an auction for which I placed a reserve price.  I’m 5+ emails a day of people asking "what’s you reserve price?".  Obviously there are reasons a reserve price is not made known by ebay to potential buyers. The only reasons I can come up with for this are A) to discourage bidding and B) piss off the bidders you do have. C) you are the shill bidding faggot Kris Baker — Please sign my guest book http://www.virginiacaves.org/feedback.html

– Please sign my guest book http://www.virginiacaves.org/feedback.html

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Please, please refrain from reserve auctions. The only thing eBay bidders hate worse than reserves are high opening prices. Sorry, Don, only true in some categories.  In other categories, the only thing eBay bidders hate worse than high opening prices are reserves. The point remains that bidders seem to think they are somehow entitled to steal from sellers.

First off, that’s a whole nother point, since it has nothing to do with the efficacy of reserves; second, it’s a complete distortion of the situation. Some means of providing a minimum selling floor is essential in most transactions.

Handily enough, eBay provides sellers with something called a minimum . Doubtless some sellers make some bad judgments in setting those minimums. That does indeed entitle a bidder to get the item for that price, since that price was the seller’s choice.  It’s not stealing from the seller any more than a high buyer-set bid is stealing from the buyer.  Sellers who can’t live with the consequences of their own actions should get off of eBay or whack themselves on the head until their brain lodges back in the correct position, not blame buyers for their own decisions. In some categories reserves work.  In others, they’re resented more than high minimums.  A wise seller considers both possibilities. Deborah Stevenson

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The point remains that bidders seem to think they are somehow entitled to steal from sellers.

What?  How can a bidder "steal" from sellers? Some means of providing a minimum selling floor is essential in most transactions.

Yes, it is called the starting bid.  You do not need to play games with reserve bid amounts.  How can a seller lose by being open and honest with would be buyers? Unless you have so many in stock of such an obviously desirable item not available elsewhere that you can gamble both on popularity and no eBay downtime. Don Lancaster

I believe most bidders respect sellers who are honest enough to state the minimum amount they are willing to accept for their items.  It makes it abundantly clear to buyers if the seller wants more money than the bidders can justify.  No problem.  They can simply check the amount from another auction where they might find a price they are willing to pay. I suppose there are some sad and lonely bidders would prefer pissing away their valuable time by placing bids and checking in on auctions when, in the end, they  discover the seller wants more money than they can afford or more than they are willing to pay. Still, I would prefer to think these bidders are in the small minority as compared to those that prefer their auctions to be straight forward in all respects, including starting bid amount. pdp

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The point remains that bidders seem to think they are somehow entitled to steal from sellers. What?  How can a bidder "steal" from sellers? Some means of providing a minimum selling floor is essential in most transactions. Yes, it is called the starting bid.  You do not need to play games with reserve bid amounts.  How can a seller lose by being open and honest with would be buyers? Unless you have so many in stock of such an obviously desirable item not available elsewhere that you can gamble both on popularity and no eBay downtime. Don Lancaster I believe most bidders respect sellers who are honest enough to state the minimum amount they are willing to accept for their items.  It makes it abundantly clear to buyers if the seller wants more money than the bidders can justify.  No problem.  They can simply check the amount from another auction where they might find a price they are willing to pay. I suppose there are some sad and lonely bidders would prefer pissing away their valuable time by placing bids and checking in on auctions when, in the end, they  discover the seller wants more money than they can afford or more than they are willing to pay. Still, I would prefer to think these bidders are in the small minority as compared to those that prefer their auctions to be straight forward in all respects, including starting bid amount. pdp

If you do not like my reserves, do not bid on my auctions. — Many thanks, Don Lancaster Synergetics   3860 West First Street  Box 809  Thatcher, AZ 85552 Please visit my GURU’s LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com

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Please, please refrain from reserve auctions.

The only thing eBay bidders hate worse than reserves are high opening prices. — Many thanks, Don Lancaster Synergetics   3860 West First Street  Box 809  Thatcher, AZ 85552 Please visit my GURU’s LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com

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Please, please refrain from reserve auctions. The only thing eBay bidders hate worse than reserves are high opening prices.

Sorry, Don, only true in some categories.  In other categories, the only thing eBay bidders hate worse than high opening prices are reserves. Deborah Stevenson

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Please, please refrain from reserve auctions. The only thing eBay bidders hate worse than reserves are high opening prices.

I find this hard to believe. I would think bidders would respect sellers who are honest enough to state the minimum amount they are willing to accept for their items.  It makes it abundantly clear that the seller wants more money than the bidders can either afford or are willing to pay.  Period.  On to the next auction. Your assessment would mean these hapless bidders would prefer pissing away their valuable time placing bids and checking in on auctions when, in the end, they  will discover the seller wants more money than they can afford or more than they are willing to pay. On second thought, you may have described a group of people that enjoy bidding on auctions that they’ll never win just like some gamblers like playing a game of chance when there is no chance of a payoff, as is the case when they play on simulators.  I must admit I have some relatives that obviously enjoy playing on handheld poker and black jack toys.

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 You Are a Suspect By WILLIAM SAFIRE WASHINGTON – If the Homeland Security Act is not amended before passage, here is what will happen to you: Every purchase you make with a credit card, every magazine subscription you buy and medical prescription you fill, every Web site you visit and e-mail you send or receive, every academic grade you receive, every bank deposit you make, every trip you book and every event you attend – all these transactions and communications will go into what the Defense Department describes as "a virtual, centralized grand database." To this computerized dossier on your private life from commercial sources, add every piece of information that government has about you – passport application, driver’s license and bridge toll records, judicial and divorce records, complaints from nosy neighbors to the F.B.I., your lifetime paper trail plus the latest hidden camera surveillance – and you have the supersnoop’s dream: a "Total Information Awareness" about every U.S. citizen. This is not some far-out Orwellian scenario. It is what will happen to your personal freedom in the next few weeks if John Poindexter gets the unprecedented power he seeks. Remember Poindexter? Brilliant man, first in his class at the Naval Academy, later earned a doctorate in physics, rose to national security adviser under President Ronald Reagan. He had this brilliant idea of secretly selling missiles to Iran to pay ransom for hostages, and with the illicit proceeds to illegally support contras in Nicaragua. A jury convicted Poindexter in 1990 on five felony counts of misleading Congress and making false statements, but an appeals court overturned the verdict because Congress had given him immunity for his testimony. He famously asserted, "The buck stops here," arguing that the White House staff, and not the president, was responsible for fateful decisions that might prove embarrassing. This ring-knocking master of deceit is back again with a plan even more scandalous than Iran-contra. He heads the "Information Awareness Office" in the otherwise excellent Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, which spawned the Internet and stealth aircraft technology. Poindexter is now realizing his 20-year dream: getting the "data-mining" power to snoop on every public and private act of every American. Even the hastily passed U.S.A. Patriot Act, which widened the scope of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act and weakened 15 privacy laws, raised requirements for the government to report secret eavesdropping to Congress and the courts. But Poindexter’s assault on individual privacy rides roughshod over such oversight. He is determined to break down the wall between commercial snooping and secret government intrusion. The disgraced admiral dismisses such necessary differentiation as bureaucratic "stovepiping." And he has been given a $200 million budget to create computer dossiers on 300 million Americans. When George W. Bush was running for president, he stood foursquare in defense of each person’s medical, financial and communications privacy. But Poindexter, whose contempt for the restraints of oversight drew the Reagan administration into its most serious blunder, is still operating on the presumption that on such a sweeping theft of privacy rights, the buck ends with him and not with the president. This time, however, he has been seizing power in the open. In the past week John Markoff of The Times, followed by Robert O’Harrow of The Washington Post, have revealed the extent of Poindexter’s operation, but editorialists have not grasped its undermining of the Freedom of Information Act. Political awareness can overcome "Total Information Awareness," the combined force of commercial and government snooping. In a similar overreach, Attorney General Ashcroft tried his Terrorism Information and Prevention System (TIPS), but public outrage at the use of gossips and postal workers as snoops caused the House to shoot it down. The Senate should now do the same to this other exploitation of fear. The Latin motto over Poindexter"s new Pentagon office reads "Scientia Est Potentia" – "knowledge is power." Exactly: the government’s infinite knowledge about you is its power over you. "We’re just as concerned as the next person with protecting privacy," this brilliant mind blandly assured The Post. A jury found he spoke falsely before. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Please, please refrain from reserve auctions. The only thing eBay bidders hate worse than reserves are high opening prices. I find this hard to believe. I would think bidders would respect sellers who are honest enough to state the minimum amount they are willing to accept for their items.  It makes it abundantly clear that the seller wants more money than the bidders can either afford or are willing to pay.  Period.  On to the next auction. Your assessment would mean these hapless bidders would prefer pissing away their valuable time placing bids and checking in on auctions when, in the end, they  will discover the seller wants more money than they can afford or more than they are willing to pay. On second thought, you may have described a group of people that enjoy bidding on auctions that they’ll never win just like some gamblers like playing a game of chance when there is no chance of a payoff, as is the case when they play on simulators.  I must admit I have some relatives that obviously enjoy playing on handheld poker and black jack toys.

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N 4th St, Wytheville, VA (276) 228-4837 http://www.virginiacaves.org/feedback.html Newbie question here. I setup an auction for which I placed a reserve price.  I’m 5+ emails a day of people asking "what’s you reserve price?".  Obviously there are reasons a reserve price is not made known by ebay to potential buyers. The only reasons I can come up with for this are A) to discourage bidding and B) piss off the bidders you do have.

C) you are the shill bidding faggot Kris Baker — Please sign my guest book http://www.virginiacaves.org/feedback.html

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Newbie question here. I setup an auction for which I placed a reserve price.  I’m 5+ emails a day of people asking "what’s you reserve price?".  Obviously there are reasons a reserve price is not made known by ebay to potential buyers.

The only reasons I can come up with for this are A) to discourage bidding and B) piss off the bidders you do have.

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Another fine hate monger member of the Virginia Speleological Survey.  A credit to your organization.

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http://www.virginiacaves.org/feedback.html – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Newbie question here. I setup an auction for which I placed a reserve price.  I’m 5+ emails a day of people asking "what’s you reserve price?".  Obviously there are reasons a reserve price is not made known by ebay to potential buyers. The only reasons I can come up with for this are A) to discourage bidding and B) piss off the bidders you do have. C) you are the shill bidding faggot Kris Baker — Please sign my guest book http://www.virginiacaves.org/feedback.html

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I’ll tell you what grinds me more – NO RESERVE (in item description) and yet the item starts bidding at $19,500.00 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1396632825

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Please, please refrain from reserve auctions. They are such a drain on time that I often wish eBay would cease offering them as an option. Yes, I realize this is another revenue stream for eBay <sigh but I would hope that they would, at the very least, mandate that the minimum bid amount to be a large fraction of the reserve price (75%, 80%, etc.).  Don’t you just "love" those reserve auctions that start out a $1.00 and how this amount is often well advertised in the auction description? I also wonder if eBay knows how many times these reserve auctions lead to private transactions. I have received countless emails from sellers who contact me after the reserve is not met. They either offer to sell the item at my highest bid, or some higher amount, specifically to avoid paying eBay.  I am sure they have put some effort into determining the reserve auction fees vs. lost commissions on private auctions but I have not read anything that puts any numbers on their estimates. Disclaimer:   None of this should be taken personally, Buck,   but I really hate reserve auctions <grin. pdp Newbie question here. I setup an auction for which I placed a reserve price.  I’m 5+ emails a day of people asking "what’s you reserve price?".  Obviously there are reasons a reserve price is not made known by ebay to potential buyers.  I’m sure most of you people receive similar emails, and I’m curious as to how you typically handle these.  Also, if my reserve is set for let’s just say $80, and the highest bid at the close of the auction is $75, do I have an option to still sell the item through ebay?  Thanks for your help.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Newbie question here. I setup an auction for which I placed a reserve price.  I’m 5+ emails a day of people asking "what’s you reserve price?".  Obviously there are reasons a reserve price is not made known by ebay to potential buyers.  I’m sure most of you people receive similar emails, and I’m curious as to how you typically handle these. Most of the sellers I send such messages to handle my message by answering the question.  Then I bid on their auctions.  Otherwise I don’t. If you’re not prepared to give it out, you may wish to state as much in your auction. Deborah Stevenson

I fully agree. I don’t buy but am a seller. When a buyer asks me for my reserve, I tell them. It also opens a door to communication and I "always" ask them when I reply if they have any further questions to give a shout. — www.times2bbs.com – Just another eBay community chat forum for anyone to learn how to buy and sell on ebay and yahoo auctions. Totally free and NO POPUPS! … Tired and need a laugh? go here..   http://level13.net

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Please, please refrain from reserve auctions. They are such a drain on time that I often wish eBay would cease offering them as an option. Yes, I realize this is another revenue stream for eBay <sigh but I would hope that they would, at the very least, mandate that the minimum bid amount to be a large fraction of the reserve price (75%, 80%, etc.).  Don’t you just "love" those reserve auctions that start out a $1.00 and how this amount is often well advertised in the auction description? I also wonder if eBay knows how many times these reserve auctions lead to private transactions. I have received countless emails from sellers who contact me after the reserve is not met. They either offer to sell the item at my highest bid, or some higher amount, specifically to avoid paying eBay.  I am sure they have put some effort into determining the reserve auction fees vs. lost commissions on private auctions but I have not read anything that puts any numbers on their estimates. Disclaimer:   None of this should be taken personally, Buck,   but I really hate reserve auctions <grin. pdp – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Newbie question here. I setup an auction for which I placed a reserve price.  I’m 5+ emails a day of people asking "what’s you reserve price?".  Obviously there are reasons a reserve price is not made known by ebay to potential buyers.  I’m sure most of you people receive similar emails, and I’m curious as to how you typically handle these.  Also, if my reserve is set for let’s just say $80, and the highest bid at the close of the auction is $75, do I have an option to still sell the item through ebay?  Thanks for your help.

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Tell them what your reserve is.  They just want to know to determine if it’s worth their while to bid.  If your reserve is higher than they want to go, then they won’t bid. If the item does not reach the reserve price, their are no obligations on either the seller or the bidder (as I understand it).

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Newbie question here. I setup an auction for which I placed a reserve price.  I’m 5+ emails a day of people asking "what’s you reserve price?".  Obviously there are reasons a reserve price is not made known by ebay to potential buyers.  I’m sure most of you people receive similar emails, and I’m curious as to how you typically handle these.  Also, if my reserve is set for let’s just say $80, and the highest bid at the close of the auction is $75, do I have an option to still sell the item through ebay?  Thanks for your help.

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Newbie question here. I setup an auction for which I placed a reserve price.  I’m 5+ emails a day of people asking "what’s you reserve price?".  Obviously there are reasons a reserve price is not made known by ebay to potential buyers.  I’m sure most of you people receive similar emails, and I’m curious as to how you typically handle these.  Also, if my reserve is set for let’s just say $80, and the highest bid at the close of the auction is $75, do I have an option to still sell the item through ebay?  Thanks for your help.

I cannot think of any reason why a reserve price should not be made known on eBay to potential buyers who specifically ask for it. We always promptly reveal the reserve price on any request, but never volunteer it. If an item does not meet our reserve, the highest two or three bidders are thanked for their bidding and advised of the reserve price. Note that the $75 bidder could really be anywhere between $75 and $79.99 and thus is probably much closer to the reserve than you think. More at http://www.tinaja.com/auct01.asp — Many thanks, Don Lancaster Synergetics   3860 West First Street  Box 809  Thatcher, AZ 85552 Please visit my GURU’s LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com

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I setup an auction for which I placed a reserve price.  I’m 5+ emails a day of people asking "what’s you reserve price?".  Obviously there are reasons a Ask ‘em to keep bidding in dollar increments until they find out.

Asking them to keep bidding in penny increments would have exactly the same result. — Many thanks, Don Lancaster Synergetics   3860 West First Street  Box 809  Thatcher, AZ 85552 Please visit my GURU’s LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com

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I setup an auction for which I placed a reserve price.  I’m 5+ emails a day of people asking "what’s you reserve price?".  Obviously there are reasons

a Ask ‘em to keep bidding in dollar increments until they find out.

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Newbie question here. I setup an auction for which I placed a reserve price.  I’m 5+ emails a day of people asking "what’s you reserve price?".  Obviously there are reasons a reserve price is not made known by ebay to potential buyers.  I’m sure most of you people receive similar emails, and I’m curious as to how you typically handle these.  

Most of the sellers I send such messages to handle my message by answering the question.  Then I bid on their auctions.  Otherwise I don’t. If you’re not prepared to give it out, you may wish to state as much in your auction. Deborah Stevenson

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1960's 70's CA Marriage, Divorce records???

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Help!! Please. Does anyone know of any good free internet sites where I can look up California State marriage and divorce records from the 1960’s and 70’s without having to pay to obtain copies of the records???

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You want something like this in life without having to pay for it?   Are you kidding? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Help!! Please. Does anyone know of any good free internet sites where I can look up California State marriage and divorce records from the 1960’s and 70’s without having to pay to obtain copies of the records???

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1960's 70's CA Marriage, Divorce records???

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Help!! Please. Does anyone know of any good free internet sites where I can look up California State marriage and divorce records from the 1960’s and 70’s without having to pay to obtain copies of the records??? Thanks, please e-mail me

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bridget…@aol.com (Bridget873) wrote in message <news:20020827160246.17074.00004852@mb-mu.aol.com>… > Help!! Please. > Does anyone know of any good free internet sites where I can look up California > State marriage and divorce records from the 1960’s and 70’s without having to > pay to obtain copies of the records??? > Thanks, please e-mail me

Try http://www.vitalrec.com/ca.html -=<{jSl}>=-

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DIVORCE RECORDS

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   Regarding NEW YORK divorce records: Are they public? In other    words, can a third party access divorce records if they want? I    would appreciate an answer from a  person "in the know" – meaning,    an attorney, judge, etc. Thanks in advance.

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   Regarding NEW YORK divorce records: Are they public? In other    words, can a third party access divorce records if they want? I    would appreciate an answer from a  person "in the know" – meaning,    an attorney, judge, etc. Thanks in advance.

IANAL but I’ve researched this extensively.  NY Domestic Relations Law (http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?cl=29&a=20, Section 235) explicitly seals divorce records.  They can be opened by "court order" but that’s almost impossible to get.                                             Chris — Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, concerned citizens can change the world.  Indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.                                                      –Margaret Mead

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You don`t trust him, you should not be with him. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dunno about that, but for ME if I had to ask the question I’d be out of there – no point starting something with someone I can’t trust for something that critical. Janie I think if you have to ask this question, you already know the answer. Zimm Hi Group Does anyone here have any idea where to locate California divorce records over the internet.  I just wanna check the file of my sweetheart and confirm it if he is really divorced. Your help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Group! — The reason why rivers and seas receive the homage of a hundred mountain streams is that they keep below them.  – Lao Tse

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Hi Group Does anyone here have any idea where to locate California divorce records over the internet.  I just wanna check the file of my sweetheart and confirm it if he is really divorced.   Your help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Group!

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I think if you have to ask this question, you already know the answer. Zimm – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Group Does anyone here have any idea where to locate California divorce records over the internet.  I just wanna check the file of my sweetheart and confirm it if he is really divorced. Your help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Group!

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I think if you have to ask this question, you already know the answer.

Not necessarily.  Some people like to be sure before they let things go too far. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Zimm Hi Group Does anyone here have any idea where to locate California divorce records over the internet.  I just wanna check the file of my sweetheart and confirm it if he is really divorced. Your help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Group!

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Hi Group Does anyone here have any idea where to locate California divorce records over the internet.  I just wanna check the file of my sweetheart and confirm it if he is really divorced. Your help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Group!

Try: http://www.vitalchek.com/ (And you can pay with a credit card online!)

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